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el_toro #1 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:17 PM

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Recently I see loads of rambo's in M18 driving to enemy lines in the first minute of battle. Often die before artillery is setup.

I fail to understand this tactic. Is it a briliant idea to get scout medals in tankdestroyers?

fwstriker #2 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:19 PM

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Its like having a ferrari.
If you are not good enough to drive it,
you will die when driving to fast.

deveen23 #3 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:20 PM

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It's a freaking stupidity.

loituma #4 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:22 PM

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Muppet + fast tank often gives the same result.

Mike_Hammer #5 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:23 PM

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Vroom vroom! :Smile_glasses:

HeroOfJustice #6 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:24 PM

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Simple logic:

t-50-2 top speed is 72 km/h, m18 too can reach that speed so... be ready arty, i'm scouting in hellcat!

Frosthark #7 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:24 PM

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Speed tempts people... WoT isn't any different. Pretty much all fast tanks/TDs have a fair share of suiciding drivers, be it T-28, pz 3/4, Type 59, T49 or the M18. There's no helping it ;p

Leodis #8 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:25 PM

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View PostHeroOfJustice, on 20 September 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

Simple logic:

t-50-2 top speed is 72 km/h, m18 too can reach that speed so... be ready arty, i'm scouting in hellcat!

Yes, and it has the turning circle of a moderately sized aircraft carrier...now if it was as agile as it was in real life....

SmellyOne #9 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:25 PM

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Because (successful) suicide scouting gets you as much exp as playing for 10 mins in a match where you cant penetrate 90% of enemies. In those cases, getting X amount of exp in ~2.5 mins by scouting is more time efficient than playing for ~10 mins and getting the same amount.

edit: i wrote this as a guess as to how some people would think, not as in this being a good way to play it!

deveen23 #10 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:28 PM

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View PostSmellyOne, on 20 September 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

Because (successful) suicide scouting gets you as much exp as playing for 10 mins in a match where you cant penetrate 90% of enemies. In those cases, getting X amount of exp in ~2.5 mins by scouting is more time efficient than playing for ~10 mins and getting the same amount.

Have you ever played Hellcat?

Trilandian #11 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:31 PM

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View PostHeroOfJustice, on 20 September 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

Simple logic:

t-50-2 top speed is 72 km/h, m18 too can reach that speed so... be ready arty, i'm scouting in hellcat!

Yep, pretty much this.

Idiot logic: Fast tank = scout.

You see the same shit with T49 drivers, despite it being a lethal tank when used properly.

loituma #12 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:35 PM

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View PostSmellyOne, on 20 September 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

Because (successful) suicide scouting gets you as much exp as playing for 10 mins in a match where you cant penetrate 90% of enemies. In those cases, getting X amount of exp in ~2.5 mins by scouting is more time efficient than playing for ~10 mins and getting the same amount.
160 pen for a T6 tank that will meet T8 max is more than enough. Suicide scouting in Hellcat will get crap xp and credits and ultimately you still have to wait until the battle is over to go again so might as well play like a human instead, much more cost effective.

Honza_H34 #13 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:38 PM

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common logic in wot is that all tanks with maximum speed above 60 suicide.

Bt-7, PzIII A, A-20, T-50(-2), Locust and Leopard just got theirs bigger brothers in last patches. M8A1, T49, Hellcat for US suiciders and to make it fair, tier 5 and above "i want to die NOW!" tanks were introduced for French ones, so now you can suicide even at tier 9 quite fast : )

at least common Pz38nA driver knows it is wrong and rather does passive spotting from base circle.

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(successful) suicide scouting

What the hell is it? If the success is measured by shortest time needed to die and scout medals earned, T-50 and AMX Elc are leading by far. Because i dont see any other "success" in it. If one arty granade hits something during that suicide spotting it is not success but still epic fail.

hazzin #14 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:40 PM

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When I was new to this game, I was playing with BT series and I always died as one of the first. Even when I was camping for half a minute or minute in base, I would still outrun most of the other tanks. That speed is just so tempting...

shaermon #15 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:41 PM

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View PostSmellyOne, on 20 September 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

Because (successful) suicide scouting gets you as much exp as playing for 10 mins in a match where you cant penetrate 90% of enemies. In those cases, getting X amount of exp in ~2.5 mins by scouting is more time efficient than playing for ~10 mins and getting the same amount.

I average over 1000 damage per battle on the hellcat. Tell me more about these problems with penetrating tanks...

Dead_Skin_Mask #16 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:41 PM

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View Postel_toro, on 20 September 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

I fail to understand this tactic. Is it a briliant idea to get scout medals in tankdestroyers?

It is briliant strategy. Thanks to those great guys WG is not nerfing more my beloved Hellcat :) So please, suicide.

_HOXTON_ #17 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:42 PM

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i dont like them, they die fast but they can take a shot at you before you see them and than run back! they are my first target i always shoot them first

j_peterson #18 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:45 PM

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They cant help themselfs, it has to be done :Smile_glasses:
Pedal to the metal
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=STy1UL49FZM

Edit: ouch , got stabbed, perhaps someone took offence to the "fine" song i posted hahaha.

and like som other posts, it's a fast tank, ppl just forget that it cant TURN, so when your up to speed it's like...........to late.......and it goes avry.

Edited by j_peterson, 20 September 2012 - 11:29 PM.


HeroOfJustice #19 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:46 PM

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View PostLeodis, on 20 September 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

Yes, and it has the turning circle of a moderately sized aircraft carrier
Does it make any difference? For newbie rusher answer is: no.

Amphiskios #20 Posted 20 September 2012 - 10:49 PM

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Sometimes the need for speed just overcomes you. It's like a prima urge that needs to be satisfied, and satisfied HARD! And if you think we're having it bad now with those boldly charging rushers, you're not going to like the introduction of the new physics engine at all. Expect the speed freaks to launch themselves of cliffs to test if gravity is still a thing, for example. Also it is not unreasonable to expect that they will often drown with great fury, since any body of water deep enough to submerge a tank in will be fatally attractive to them, of course. And now it's true that it's possible to simply brake and avoid such situations, but many people simply don't let themselves be hindered by abstract concepts such as reason.