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TrailApe #61 Posted 03 October 2012 - 03:04 PM

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The black prince its starting to grow on my now its good fun the main issue is the speed and uphill climb rate every little bump/incline slows your tank way to much
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In a nutshell. It's fun but it's flawed (but there again what isn't)

kirstar #62 Posted 03 October 2012 - 03:04 PM

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Another erason to get the BP is that its the first UK tank :)

Can go with my Matilta, valentine and churchill.

mondog #63 Posted 03 October 2012 - 03:43 PM

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View PostSzlejer, on 03 October 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

Yeah, after driving countless tanks, including a nice list of premiums, and doing 100+ battles in Churchill my perspective is horribly narrow. :Smile_veryhappy:

And your perspective is objective and wide open - especially after babbling something personal about me maybe using gold ammo and consumables, then pulling the "boils down to the driver" card. Nice train crash of thought.

The Matilda BP is a fine premium, not OP, not UP, it's fine.

Stop whining.

You obviously fail at reading as much as comprehension or you're just truculent and objectionable? Maybe if you re-read what I wrote; I said its most likely you don't use gold consumables and you're just a good player and that a good player will do well in almost all tanks, which is the point you miss. ;)

fattoler #64 Posted 03 October 2012 - 04:43 PM

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View PostSzlejer, on 03 October 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Sorry I still couldn't care less if a tank is 1500 or 1750 gold.

Asking slightly higher price for the first brit premium is perfectly reasonable from the marketing standpoint.

Well I can help being quarter-Scottish...

Dutchmul #65 Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:41 AM

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View PostHuberticus, on 03 October 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

This is pretty much "it".
If the matchmaking was reduced, the speed, and armour of the M-BP isn't much of a problem. You can work around those issues. M-BP versus tier Vs is possible and can produce great results. But when you're in a tier VI game, there really isn't much you can do.

In my best game (maxed at tier V), I walked away with top-gun (6), sniper (23/24) and (incredibly) steel wall (20 hp left). In city maps, this tank is great - lots of hiding places that you can quickly dash in and out of. But on open maps (like Steppes or Sand River) - you haven't got a snowball's chance in hell. Add in tier VI, and the speed and armour cripple you.

I stand by my original post. This tank's main problem is the matchmaking. At the moment, I'd only get it if you have spare gold lying around. Other than that, it's an ok tank, which has the potential to perform brilliantly, given the right MM.

Edit - One question though. What tactics should a Matilda-Black Prince use on Malinovka, in a Standard game?

Dash you say???? In a MBP, quick get this man a doctor he's clearly dillusional.

Seriously though, the big problem with it is the speed, or more precisely, engine power. It just takes so long to get anywhere, and slopes are a nightmare.

I've also managed to pick up a steel wall in it, I was stunned!!

Huberticus #66 Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:33 AM

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View PostDutchmul, on 04 October 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

Dash you say???? In a MBP, quick get this man a doctor he's clearly dillusional.

Seriously though, the big problem with it is the speed, or more precisely, engine power. It just takes so long to get anywhere, and slopes are a nightmare.

I've also managed to pick up a steel wall in it, I was stunned!!

Haha, I suppose I was being a tad incredibly generous with my language there :Smile_veryhappy:  But, what I meant was in maps with plenty of solid cover (Himmlesdorf, Ensk) the M-BP can perform well, playing hide-and-seek with other tanks.

Speed - I've found that if I put my PzIII/IV in reverse, with a damaged engine and 1 broken track, it can still drive faster than a 100% M-BP...
Hell, yesterday I had a guy in a KV-1 push me up a hill out of sympathy, after watching me struggle up it for 5 minutes!  :Smile_veryhappy:  (Fjords map)

Navarome #67 Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:57 AM

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i played with a friend , he had the Matilda BP and i had the churchil, and we had alot of fun. 5 games, 5 wins. and we win one brothers in arms medal. it was funny to see a amx40 passing the matilda BP

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View Postkirstar, on 03 October 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Another erason to get the BP is that its the first UK tank :)

Can go with my Matilta, valentine and churchill.
This is the only reason IMO.
Churchill is cheaper than matilda BP and can fill the same role better.

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I have the tank and it is not worth it, not completely as they teamed dlamnie this tank is not V but maybe the fourth tier. If you do not balance the more time I do not even want to know how it will poraszka with all the English tree.

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Just a thought:

When the first batch of British tanks finally arrive, I've always had the impression that WG would pull all the premium LL tanks (Churchill/Matilda/Valentine/Tetrach) from the Soviet tree?  If so, wouldn't that kinda give a reason for the Matilda BP to then exist?!

With all those 'great' LendLease Premiums out the way it would weaken Tier V (for those who don't already have the LL Premium tanks) and strengthen the KV-1 as the 'top dog' at that level (Russian bias conspirators unite!). Whilst simultaneously, and somewhat stealthy, raise the base cost of Tier5 premium tanks up to 1750 gold. Only the German T-25 would remain at 1500gold - which makes me wonder if it will be scrapped & replaced by some other tank down the line....  like a new Premium PzIV (at 1750 gold of course!).


Edit: Damn. Just noticed the T-14 is also 1500g.  Maybe I should just forget the whole thing... relax and lay down for a while...

Edited by Rogue_Soul, 04 October 2012 - 02:55 PM.


aipid #71 Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:00 PM

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I do not know how to understand it, but I think as you buy a premium tank, it should probably have more features and abilities than the standard tanks, where's the sense and logic when you're free for those better than what you pay for. I just feel as if mocking you in a bottle.

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View Postaipid, on 04 October 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

I do not know how to understand it, but I think as you buy a premium tank, it should probably have more features and abilities than the standard tanks, where's the sense and logic when you're free for those better than what you pay for. I just feel as if mocking you in a bottle.

Then you'd have the whole community screaming "Pay 2 Win!" at the top of their lungs. Not going to happen.

Premium tanks should not be superior, but at the same time they should not be a free kill. Sadly, the latter is often the case these days.

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Zenith do not know about you, but I feel like I went to a car dealership and bought a car without an engine. Not the government to premium tanks were indestructible and killed by one He attended, but each tank must be properly balanced and not a technical mistake.

I did not buy this tank to see him in the garage just to have fun with playing.

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Szlejer #74 Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:59 PM

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View Postmondog, on 03 October 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

You obviously fail at reading as much as comprehension or you're just truculent and objectionable? Maybe if you re-read what I wrote; I said its most likely you don't use gold consumables
Yeah obviously you missed the point that "most likely you don't" also means "maybe you do"... Please talk more about failing, reading comprehension and narrow perspectives. :Smile_veryhappy:

mondog #75 Posted 05 October 2012 - 01:23 PM

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You fail at quoting in context as well.

According to wot dossier my efficiency with the bp is over 2000 but I really dont see how. I'd like to put it down to skill but I really cant. It's just never that decisive in battle.

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View PostNavarome, on 04 October 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

it was funny to see a amx40 passing the matilda BP
Holy *#@% batman! Ok, there's no way I'm buying this tank as anything slower than 40kph is a physically painful experience (yes I hate some of my tanks, but you gotta grind what you gotta grind :D)

BRICE #77 Posted 06 October 2012 - 12:21 AM

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Its broken.
Same / worse chance to pen (stats of gun lie) as normal matilda.
50% depression of gun what matilda has.
50% elevation + of gun what matilda has.

Slower - fine - thats logical.

Bugged armor, worse chance to ding then the matilda.
1/3 shots goes inside the middle of the aim circle. Rest outskirts of it.
Worse mm, its not much to do vs IS, tigers, Löwes, T34 etcetc. - Atleast matilda normal tank gets max tier VII battles. But more often tier VI.
OK... 50+ shots when matilda has many more WITH a higher calibre gun?
So... Either call it heavy tank and + it.
Or fix the mm.
Its not even remotely as good as the matilda.
Only reason for having it is to pre-train crew.

(side note : fix its income. I can say normal matilda makes me 50% minimum more credits for same battle impact)

Edited by BRICE, 06 October 2012 - 12:25 AM.


Szlejer #78 Posted 06 October 2012 - 12:21 AM

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Reached the 60 battle mark, nearly all matches played solo:

58% WR
58% survived
69% hit ratio
681 avg dmg
621 avg xp
1.4 kpb
max xp 1581
max kills 5

The only bad thing about this tank is the climbing speed - and as I said before - the rest is pretty well balanced for a premium. You have to watch your ammo count. MM is fine, you never meet anything harder than a KV or KV1S and even those are killable.

Stop whining!

Szlejer #79 Posted 06 October 2012 - 12:46 AM

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View PostBRICE, on 06 October 2012 - 12:21 AM, said:

Worse mm, its not much to do vs IS, tigers, Löwes, T34 etcetc. - Atleast matilda normal tank gets max tier VII battles. But more often tier VI.

Word of advice: stop platoon-whoring and you won't meet IS, Tigers, Löwes, etc in your BP. ;)

BRICE #80 Posted 06 October 2012 - 02:24 AM

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Not whining stating the obvious. Its underpowered. Compared to counterparts.
Compare it to matilda. = Fail
Compare with churchill = Fail
If i platoon with tier 5 and 6 friends = not a reason for it to be put in tier 8-9 battles.
WG needs to fix their mm logic.

Edited by BRICE, 06 October 2012 - 02:30 AM.