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Tuccy #21 Posted 06 November 2010 - 12:47 PM

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View PostTher0, on 06 November 2010 - 12:32 PM, said:

View PostMarauderk, on 06 November 2010 - 12:26 PM, said:

:)   The .50 BMG is a much larger shell than the 50 AE that the Desert Eagle shoots.

Yay i know, i was kidding. :D but .50 against tanks is (and it was..) pretty useless. Btw it sounds more a anti veichle (halftrack, jeeps, recon veichle) than anti tank.
By the war's beginning (IE low tiers) few tanks had armor enough to stop .50 at combat ranges. Heck 7.92mm machinegun and rifle AP ammunition (let alone special antitank rifle rounds) was enough to penetrate side and rear of early Panzers.

Marauderk #22 Posted 06 November 2010 - 04:09 PM

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The 50 BMg could pen 20mm of harden plate armor and more against  standard steel plate. So it would work against early tanks and and Half track's.


Mine you i got this info from my Grandfather who was an armorer during WW2 so it could be off.

Panternack #23 Posted 07 November 2010 - 05:26 PM

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View PostEide, on 06 November 2010 - 12:39 PM, said:

We used to call the 50 cals Panzeranklopfgerät, literally tanslates as Tank knocking device, due to sound it makes when rounds impact on the armour. It sounds like someone is knocking on the door (and has the same effect).

They open the door to give you a treat so you stop trying to prank them?  :rolleyes:

Gneisenau_43 #24 Posted 08 November 2010 - 12:14 AM

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View PostEide, on 06 November 2010 - 12:39 PM, said:

We used to call the 50 cals Panzeranklopfgerät, literally tanslates as Tank knocking device, due to sound it makes when rounds impact on the armour. It sounds like someone is knocking on the door (and has the same effect).

The Germans had a similar name for their Pak 36 when the T-34 came onto the scene- they called it the "Heeresanklopfgerat", or the "Army's Door-Knocking Device", which was named as such for similar reasons. :D

Walleye05 #25 Posted 10 November 2010 - 11:13 AM

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View PostComfortablyApathetic, on 05 November 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

T2 goes 62 km/h, not 72. Also, its stock gun is indeed a .50cal machine gun, but with only 100xp or so you can upgrade to a 37mm gun or a 20mm autocannon.


Correction, T2 LT does 72km/h and stock is 20mm also the T2 lt is a premium tank, so no upgrades available for it. 12/12 avg dmg, 30/41 avg penetration.

KIA_Sigismund #26 Posted 10 November 2010 - 03:27 PM

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.50 certainly could give a halftrack a very bad day. Should also be effective versus open topped vehicles or Marder like side armor...

I will also certainly try that .50 on a tank. It will be funny as hell.

Marauderk #27 Posted 10 November 2010 - 03:30 PM

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Just plays like any other autocannon not a normal MG

Midnitewolf #28 Posted 11 November 2010 - 05:02 AM

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View PostTher0, on 06 November 2010 - 11:19 AM, said:

x°D For God sake... .50 cal is the calibre of a Desert Eagle !!! And penetrate a TANK !?!? That's cool.. people really care about the safety of the tank crew back then..

The .50 cal used by the Desert Eagle is not the same round as used my a .50 cal machine gun.  Heck by that logic a .45 apc round used by the colt 1911 pistol or the Dirty Harry .44 mag is similar to a .50 cal machine gun which isn't evne close to the case.

Just to give an idea of scale.  The actuall bullet of the .50 cal BMG (Big Machine Gun) is about 3 times the weight and twice as long as the .50 cal used in the Desert Eagle.  Also the overall length of the cartridge is 5.45 inch long which is over twice the length of the .50 cal Desert Eagle round. This means much, much more propellent and much higher velocity.  Maximum range on the .50 cal Desert Eagle is about 75m tops.  Maximum range on the .50 cal BMG is around 2500m.  The .50 cal AP round can penetrate over 22mm of armor plate at 200m with some modern variants of the cartridge able to penetrate more than 34mm of armor.  Overall it is a pretty darn potent round especially considering that a normal M2 Browning MG has a rate of fire of around 550 rounds per minute if I recall correctly.

Link: http://www.inetres.c...mg/50_ammo.html

Also just for giggles.  Watch this youtube video to see what a .50 cal sniper round does to a person.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=TOZoYIoyjuM

GuardsmanGary #29 Posted 11 November 2010 - 06:11 PM

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when I first saw ".50 cal" on the tech tree I was giddy, thinking I could just lay down a huge swatch of (albeit poorly damaging) fire on other light tanks. Alas it's just an even worse 20mm autocannon.

sharlin648 #30 Posted 11 November 2010 - 07:23 PM

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It should fire for longer bursts instead of short 6 shot 'bursts'.

GuardsmanGary #31 Posted 11 November 2010 - 07:53 PM

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View Postsharlin648, on 11 November 2010 - 07:23 PM, said:

It should fire for longer bursts instead of short 6 shot 'bursts'.
with much less time between rounds as well. It doesn't feel like a MG at all.

1N54N3 #32 Posted 11 November 2010 - 10:25 PM

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Its been said that a good .50 HMG burst can go through an M18 Hellcat, so yes a .50 cal can penetrate a tank.

You would not want to full auto fire a .50 cal as you would not be able to aim it, hence the 6 round burst with a short reload. Its all the gunner can handle.

Tuccy #33 Posted 11 November 2010 - 11:47 PM

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Gunner can handle anything in a turret mount, so theoretically the MG should be able to burn through 50 round belt in one go - or in burst, as per gunner's discretion. Then again the usual op mode for German KwK 30 and 38 2cm autocannons was rapid single shots, bnot bursts.

GuardsmanGary #34 Posted 12 November 2010 - 12:58 AM

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View Post1N54N3, on 11 November 2010 - 10:25 PM, said:

Its been said that a good .50 HMG burst can go through an M18 Hellcat, so yes a .50 cal can penetrate a tank.

You would not want to full auto fire a .50 cal as you would not be able to aim it, hence the 6 round burst with a short reload. Its all the gunner can handle.

You don't need to enforce a reload to represent that since the aim becomes worse with every shot. It would be self regulating; sure you could just lay on the fire, but you'll never hit anything. It should be the players, not the game, that limits them.

Locrano #35 Posted 12 November 2010 - 05:18 AM

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View PostGuardsmanGary, on 12 November 2010 - 12:58 AM, said:

View Post1N54N3, on 11 November 2010 - 10:25 PM, said:

Its been said that a good .50 HMG burst can go through an M18 Hellcat, so yes a .50 cal can penetrate a tank.

You would not want to full auto fire a .50 cal as you would not be able to aim it, hence the 6 round burst with a short reload. Its all the gunner can handle.

You don't need to enforce a reload to represent that since the aim becomes worse with every shot. It would be self regulating; sure you could just lay on the fire, but you'll never hit anything. It should be the players, not the game, that limits them.

I second that!

Yankeegunner #36 Posted 12 November 2010 - 06:22 AM

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Heheheh, I used to love the "ma-duece" (M2 .50 cal.  Thank you Mr. Browning).  I've probably fired more rounds through that than any other weapon.

CheeseThief #37 Posted 12 November 2010 - 07:12 AM

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I really wish light tanks could take the rammer, this gun would be so much more fun with one of them.

Kodan #38 Posted 12 November 2010 - 07:27 AM

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From a book I have been reading at work. The .50cal was designed in 1918 and was at first just a larger Maxim machine gun. They didnt have a bullet at the time of that size/caliber so they used captured german shells to base the design on(was top secret at the time since we didnt want anyone to know we thought German ammo was better). Up until the 70's I think something like 80% of the parts from any year gun was compatible with any other gun. During WW II the gun cost around $700 to make by the end of the war it was down to about $250 and they run about $14000 now. Since the gun can be fed ammo from either side during WWII they used even serial numbers for right I think it was and odds for left side feeds(for airplanes mostly).

From Wikipedia.. During WWII All .50 ammunition designated "armor-piercing" was required to completely perforate 0.875" (22.2 mm) of hardened steel armor plate at a distance of 100 yards (91 m), and 0.75" (19 mm) at 547 yards (500 m). The API and APIT rounds left a flash, report, and smoke on contact, useful in detecting strikes on enemy targets; they were primarily intended to incapacitate thin-skinned and lightly armored vehicles and aircraft, while igniting their fuel tanks.

thejoker91 #39 Posted 12 November 2010 - 08:45 AM

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Well, it sucks that the .50 cal sounds like a cannon instead of like a .50 cal. Too bad.

drownedthought #40 Posted 12 November 2010 - 11:35 AM

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View PostComfortablyApathetic, on 05 November 2010 - 11:06 PM, said:

T2 goes 62 km/h, not 72. Also, its stock gun is indeed a .50cal machine gun, but with only 100xp or so you can upgrade to a 37mm gun or a 20mm autocannon.


T2 goes 72 km/h




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