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PRO_MEMBER #41 Posted 17 October 2012 - 09:28 AM

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Well sarcasm and general rudeness (one could say "blunt honesty") s also SerB's "signature". Its funny to read his comments (if you are not the one being insulted that is). It is making him well known (in a bad or good way it doesn't matter - every publicity is good publicity :P).

I'd say SerB is imitating Simon Cowell a bit. And he made millions of dollars because of it :D

The real question is: is this good for business. Well obviously WG thinks it is, or they would fire him (or shut him up) already.

I have no doubt that if WG finds out that SerB's comments are making customers leave, that they will take appropriate actions, in the end they are a business and their goal is to make customers happy. And happy customers make happy shareholders since happy customers spend money.

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Keep it up. +1

So no arty limitation "hard" change planned... Oh well f*ck...

And lol at the Golden Type... Heard it costs around 120 000 gold or so lol...

Pavelius #43 Posted 17 October 2012 - 09:48 AM

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- in the end, 8.1 patch won't see any changes in SU-122-54 and SU-101 vehicles

So.. you still have to grind 250k exp with the worst Tier 8 TD (seriously who made this bullshit gun depression?) and its crappish gun before the Tier 9 TD is at least competetive... nice... not...

Hippopotamus_Rex #44 Posted 17 October 2012 - 10:21 AM

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View PostAnunzi, on 16 October 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

Excellent work SilentStalker, as has been mentioned by my esteemed colleagues above, its just plain wrong that players have to do this when WG should be doing it.

You have my thanks Sir.


Anyway, what the hell is it with SerB? Does he not understand that the people he is talking down to are the ones paying his f*cking wages?

I don’t know if its just cultural differences, but I cant help think that’s its just bang out of order speaking to your customers the way he does. Total lack of respect.

Cannot agree more. Actually, I suddenly lost a lot of interest in pumping any more money into this game...

zmeul #45 Posted 17 October 2012 - 10:54 AM

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when a dev starts trolling his customers in the official Q&A section, I see it as an affront
much like overlod did here, and no one laughed with him

_AceOfSpades_ #46 Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:18 AM

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So basically they are saying, f*ck the community, we do what we please.

Cain_Deathstalker #47 Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:27 AM

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remeber also that there is a big difference from my norwegian culture and russian culture. what is ok and even funny in one country can be regarded as insult in another.

Cain

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View Postmaeh_schaf, on 16 October 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

Thx for your efforts.
Interesting that the russian forum seems to be even worse than europeans, sometimes one can't believe that ;)

I dont think so.

The european siemka-forums are full of shit also. At least the german one is. Its just the english-speaking european forum that seems to have a slightly more grown up and reasonable userbase. Maybe it is because you have to speak a foreign language which holds off some of the kids, maybe it is because you try the forum section of your own language first and only venture here as a more experienced player.. I dont know.

scuffer #49 Posted 18 October 2012 - 09:55 AM

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It's good to know that the unshakeable belief that one's own ideas and opinions are 'common sense' is found in all nations.

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You know, some positive responses there which make me feel better:


- the gold ammo for silver feature will surely be implemented, but if the results of it on live servers will be "bad", it may be cancelled again

(so could be returned to how it is now if either WG realise the income loss to them or the game mechanics are adversely effected and the RU server kicks off big time! Personally I feel it will damage the game but only short term as people run out their silver reserves)


- at some point, it is possible that the British tree will recieve tanks with sponson-carried weapons

(How? What? Duel turret controls I guess but interesting!)


- alternative French medium and heavy branches confirmed

(goodie!)


- the fact that tanks get "stuck" at objects such as walls and boulders and no longer slide around them is not a bug, it's intended

(yeah, learn to drive dumb-dumb)


- in time there will be an option to show replays even outside the WoT client

(YAY!! no more faffing about with FRAPS and YouTube)


- additional historical emblems will come with some exceptions (no SS emblems etc)

(nice!)


- high level arty nerf was sufficient, no others will follow

(actually it was too much but meh)


- the amount of arties will never be "hard" restricted (5 max per battle for example)

(oh for the love of!! WHY WHY WHY NOT?!?!?)


- there will be at some point separate statistics for battles in companies and for random battles

(How very USEFUL!! *smiling*)

zmeul #51 Posted 18 October 2012 - 10:21 AM

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View PostSilentstalker, on 18 October 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

Some guy on the forum claims the viewline in WoT works like this: (that first line reads "zdravyj smysl" - means "common sense")

http://s2.ipicture.r...18/5SCJXRQO.jpg

SerB claimed it's not like that. Nothing more said to this issue.
the dude, not SerB, is right
this "issue" was mentioned even in the CBT stage
basically diagonally you get more view range than looking straight; as a complete view range, the area is not a sphere, but a aquare

Edited by zmeul, 18 October 2012 - 10:25 AM.


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View PostSilentstalker, on 16 October 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

- the 0.8.0 patch did not diminish the earning ability of KV-5 and other T8 vehicles, reports of "income nerfs" are conspiracy theories, that spring up after every patch
the devs telling the truth is a conspiracy theory too. after being lied to for 50 times everyone believing what the devs say is a nutjob.

the normalization nerf in 8.0 nerfed the credit income of all tanks, that includes premium tanks.
and the reason why "nerf theories" spring up every patch is because each and every patch actually nerfs income in a direct or indirect way.
the devs lied to us again? why am i not surprised? enuf sheeple here that believe in "official" BS.

after 22 consecutive income nerfs it becomes quite obvious that WG is nerfing our income on purpose. and they are not done yet.
they are increasing our maintenance costs incrementally, like slowly cooking a frog in boiling water. and they wont stop till this game's gameplay is destroyed and the majority of players on the servers will be P2W fanboys that give a sh1t about fairness and behave basically like the cheaters in other multiplayer game.

yes, this game is "free".
after investing hundreds of hours unlocking your tanks and eliting your crews
you are FREE to play a target for Pay2win users.
have fun!

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View PostCain_Deathstalker, on 17 October 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

remeber also that there is a big difference from my norwegian culture and russian culture. what is ok and even funny in one country can be regarded as insult in another.

Cain

I can't recall who or when, but I remember someone here explaining this particular cultural difference. Forgive me, it will be terribly paraphrased...

He explained that the RU forumites are much more aggressive and are thus answered in a similar tone. Like it is a way to police the forum population and that they need to be policed hard.

I guess that fits the stereotype image the west has of eastern Europe. It may be an unfair preconception but it does seem to exist.

There has been more noise on this matter in the NA forums. As far as I can tell they have an even stronger aversion towards such attitude than we do. I know for a fact that at least one of the NA WG community reps. have been to Minsk and discussed this issue with the devs. I don't know of the outcome but if you have the perseverance, traces of this can be found in the epic thread (btw, look at the size of that thing!). Who knows why? but the NA guys seem to have their own flavor of devs that respond to them- mostly Vallter. To my knowledge, we have only ever had Overlord as an interface with the devs, and he did it in his spare time.

Sidenote:

A swedish author I really like stated in one of his books that the Russian language is rich in courteous terms. Definately way more than the Scandinavian languages and maybe comparable to the German and British language cultures? I find this fascinating when trying to piece this together with the style of the devs. The Norwegian language, and culture in general, has lost much of the courtesy we shared with the Germanic linguistic stem. Most of the deterioration has occured during the last fifty years. Maybe eastern europe has had an accelerated deterioration since the 80's and 90's?

I'd love some insight in this...

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View Postjodgi, on 18 October 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

He explained that the RU forumites are much more aggressive and are thus answered in a similar tone. Like it is a way to police the forum population and that they need to be policed hard.
so the devs troll the customers in return

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I guess that fits the stereotype image the west has of eastern Europe. It may be an unfair preconception but it does seem to exist.
it's actually not a stereotype at all
I lived for a time as a citizen in a soviet block country and I can differentiate between west the east behavior, and I do not like that the east block mentality still thriving

for many years I worked in the IT tech support business, we had customers varying from small bushiness to large ones and even government institutions
believe me, if I/we did the same thing the WG's dev do to their customers (namely trolling) I'd be out of the job faster than snapping my fingers and the customers terminating the contracts faster than hooking the phone receiver

the wrong mentality is they think we should thank them for their product and not the other way around, them thanking us for supporting their product
at the end of the day they get home to their families and put food on the table bought with our money
if we didn't support the product, namely pay for premium accounts and premium tanks, they would be at the unemployment line
it is the hard cold-stone truth and they ignore it


just ask the Germans from the now defunct GDR how they saw the world and how hard was to re-integrate into the society after the Berlin Wall fell in 1989

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View Postzmeul, on 18 October 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

so the devs troll the customers in return
it's actually not a stereotype at all
I lived for a time as a citizen in a soviet block country and I can differentiate between west the east behavior, and I do not like that the east block mentality still thriving

for many years I worked in the IT tech support business, we had customers varying from small bushiness to large ones and even government institutions
believe me, if I/we did the same thing the WG's dev do to their customers (namely trolling) I'd be out of the job faster than snapping my fingers and the customers terminating the contracts faster than hooking the phone receiver

the wrong mentality is they think we should thank them for their product and not the other way around, them thanking us for supporting their product
at the end of the day they get home to their families and put food on the table bought with our money
if we didn't support the product, namely pay for premium accounts and premium tanks, they would be at the unemployment line
it is the hard cold-stone truth and they ignore it


just ask the Germans from the now defunct GDR how they saw the world and how hard was to re-integrate into the society after the Berlin Wall fell in 1989

You got a point, especially regarding to the customer relations here... I work in Service&Support in a big companie and if we´d work like WG with our customers, the company would´ve been gone by now...

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View PostKillatomate, on 18 October 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:

...the normalization nerf in 8.0 nerfed the credit income of all tanks, that includes premium tanks...

I know "the road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom", and all...

I was expecting the normalization changes to indirectly cause an income nerf. But the credits payout hasn't changed for me, in my limited experience.
I ding a few more shots now, compared to how it used to be. That leads to a minus. But my opponents ding when firing at me too. That enables me to get off a few more shots and most of them penetrate. That leads to a plus.

My book seems to be balanced.

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View PostSilentstalker, on 16 October 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

"due to special Chinese nature"

yes it is called china farming aka gold farmers, altho you cant really sell credits in WOT.

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View Postzmeul, on 18 October 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

..it's actually not a stereotype at all...
It may not be fair or true, but stereotype images exist in the minds of people nonetheless. It's the same with other groups and nationalities. Norwegians are perceived as gullible bordering on silly because of the lenient way our justice system works, especially by Americans. An example of this was a remark made by a character in the TV series "Homeland" about how suspected terrorists were handled.
We view the Americans as being a bit lazy and ignorant but we admire the success their overconfident attitude has given them. The brits are known for their "stiff upper lip" though I've never met anyone displaying this attitude. The Germans are perceived as rigid and organized, you know: "Ordnung muß sein".

We have to live with this. It will change in time but at a slow pace.

View Postzmeul, on 18 October 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

...I lived for a time as a citizen in a soviet block country and I can differentiate between west the east behavior, and I do not like that the east block mentality still thriving...
Please elaborate! How would you describe and differentiate the east from the west? This is something I know very little about.

View Postzmeul, on 18 October 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

so the devs troll the customers in return
Yes, this is exactly what irks us so. We're not used to it at all.

View Postzmeul, on 18 October 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

...just ask the Germans from the now defunct GDR how they saw the world and how hard was to re-integrate into the society after the Berlin Wall fell in 1989...
I understand they're still subsidized or compensated because they still struggle to adapt, at least financially.

I've read serious academic papers trying to understand how the people of the soviet states could go from the tzarist oppressive regime right into the soviet oppressive regime. They even take it up to modern times, it should be no surprise that we don't exactly view Putin and his puppets as doves of freedom. Though I find it interesting, I'll stop this sidenote here, as I'm well aware this could devolve into a rather ugly political flamefest. You see, the west is full of ignorant and aggressive loudmouths. ;) :(

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View PostSilentstalker, on 18 October 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

I'd like to ask you to please keep the politics out of this thread. I am from a postsocialistic country too and I can somewhat refer to what zmeul wrote, but this isn't the place for such a debate.

You're right, sorry.

zmeul #60 Posted 18 October 2012 - 01:30 PM

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View Postjodgi, on 18 October 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

Please elaborate! How would you describe and differentiate the east from the west? This is something I know very little about.
it's better to not do it
as you self noted, doing so will elevate the heat on the forums to boiling point and will lead eventually to a lot of people getting banned, including me
so yeah, better not

let's leave it to the fact the "ex"-east block counties and especially the people born in the '50-'60s  and maybe '70s have a "nature" of doing things and they will reject any deviation from that line

I was born in 1980 and saw both sides of the word, and I will tell you it wasn't pretty at all

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