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myfabi94 #1 Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:17 PM

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On the Gamescom WG sold codes for the Pz II J. I couldn't come beacause i was on a holiday, so i feel a bit left out as i really like this tank and want it badly (althought its gun is horrible) and i think the next logical step would be to sell it officially. Or bring it to the gift shop or for new year bonus codes or anything but please make it available for people who didn't get to Gamescom in time.

It's gonna be as common as the FCM36 PaK40 or T-15 (near to zero) so nobody has to worry.

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they didn't sell them, they gave them away :)

WG stated that they won't put these on store though as they're promotion exclusives :(

myfabi94 #3 Posted 18 October 2012 - 11:47 AM

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nobody's ever gonna drive them more than 2 times ever and then sell it, poor little thing. Just the way it happened with the m4a2e4 or the a-32

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View Postmyfabi94, on 18 October 2012 - 11:47 AM, said:

nobody's ever gonna drive them more than 2 times ever and then sell it, poor little thing. Just the way it happened with the m4a2e4 or the a-32
Wrong.

Nectaria #5 Posted 19 October 2012 - 10:05 AM

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Indeed wrong, saw an A32 agains yesterday, but I agree it's a rare sight just like the E4.

myfabi94 #6 Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:58 PM

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yeah i saw the a-32 once, and immediately knew that he was one of the first players. These already 1 year old tanks are outdated and many players sold them or don't play anymore so they appear extremely rarely. (this happened to most early premiums: Pz V-IV, KV-220, M6A2E1) And they would be great on the battlefields again.

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View Postmyfabi94, on 19 October 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

yeah i saw the a-32 once, and immediately knew that he was one of the first players. These already 1 year old tanks are outdated and many players sold them or don't play anymore so they appear extremely rarely. (this happened to most early premiums: Pz V-IV, KV-220, M6A2E1) And they would be great on the battlefields again.

Seen the M6 and the V-IV (although not the alpha version) more then once, never seen the KV220 on the live server though.

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the KV220 is currently a tournament award tank, so they're extremely rare

maszalek_kozak #9 Posted 21 October 2012 - 07:19 PM

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the pz2 j is a cheater tank!

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View Postmaszalek_kozak, on 21 October 2012 - 07:19 PM, said:

the pz2 j is a cheater tank!

And how really?

Luchs easily strafe and circles it
BT7 can easily destroy its rear
Any T2/3 TD goes straight through it
SU26 should love to shoot shells at the top of the tank

And that's just a few examples.

myfabi94 #11 Posted 23 October 2012 - 07:00 PM

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every tank has its weaknesses, especially premiums. The BT-7 can be pentratet by everything, no tier 3 TD is gonna survive the II J on the short range, especially after the nerfs, and it is freaking small and hard to hit for arty, And 8 cm of frontal armor are a very hard nut to crack. especially when you angle your tank right (5cm of side armor).
Also it would become awesome if they made the Premium Ammo available for a few credits (46mm Pen, still the gun is horrible at any range: PzGr.40 (Armour Piercing Composite Rigid)) the standard ammo for free (23mm Pen) and s.Pz.B.41 (Armour Piercing Composite Rigid) or the 2 cm Sprgr. 39 (High Explosive). That would make it actually usefull against tier 3 and light tier 4's like T-28 or M5.

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How can you possibly comment on using/buffing a tank you don't have?

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View Postmyfabi94, on 23 October 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

no tier 3 TD is gonna survive the II J on the short range, especially after the nerfs,
Wrong, the Pz II J can't reliably get through the T3 TD's. But the Marder and T82 completely rape the Pz II J if they are decent players. If I play my Pz II J and I see an enemy team without any Marders and T82, I'm a happy User.

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and it is freaking small and hard to hit for arty
What! For its tier, it's HUGE.

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Also it would become awesome if they made the Premium Ammo available for a few credits (46mm Pen, still the gun is horrible at any range: PzGr.40 (Armour Piercing Composite Rigid)) the standard ammo for free (23mm Pen) and s.Pz.B.41 (Armour Piercing Composite Rigid) or the 2 cm Sprgr. 39 (High Explosive). That would make it actually usefull against tier 3 and light tier 4's like T-28 or M5.
What. I don't even understand this mess.
But I'll try to comment on it anyway.
No, using premium ammo wouldn't make it awesome. (How can you even say a tank will be awesome, if you don't have it?) Even with 46mm penetration it struggles against some tier 3 tanks (Ever had 76 penetrating hits on a M3 Stuart? Oh, wait, you don't have the Pz II J), reliably penetrating tier 4 tanks is still out of the question. And what was that about HE? The gun on the Pz II J can't use HE. As for giving it another gun, impossible. If the Pz II J gets another gun, it isn't a Pz II J anymore.

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myfabi94 #13 Posted 24 October 2012 - 12:41 PM

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Well, by close range i mean facehugging and being very lucky and hoping for a loads of luck (and lots of support),
I was basically trying to weaken the points of our troll up there.
I just really think that the II J would greatly add to the low tier battles as a spearhead tank.
And the ammo issue: free bad ammo, cheap upgraded ammo, even better gold ammo deriving from antitank rifles, or HE (which was actually used in actual FlAK mode/shooting with crackers/especially good against brit tanks).
The L 55J gun would only stay for historical accuracy and not to overpower it (0.62m on 100m accuracy against 0.45m on 100m of the L 112)
That would keep it on the close range. I hope you get my point. That's the way I'd like to have it.

PS: wenn du deutscher bist: Für die FlugAbwehrKanonen wurde HochExplosive Munition verwendet, Zum beispiel gegen Infantrie.
And if not: AntiAircraft Guns used HighExplosive Ammo, So did Infantry tanks.

Edited by myfabi94, 24 October 2012 - 12:48 PM.


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View Postmyfabi94, on 24 October 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

Well, by close range i mean facehugging and being very lucky and hoping for a loads of luck (and lots of support),
Why would a T3 TD facehug tanks anyway?

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I was basically trying to weaken the points of our troll up there.
Great. Accuse me of trolling, well done.

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I just really think that the II J would greatly add to the low tier battles as a spearhead tank.
It already is a great spearhead tank. Too bad the team often doesn't follow me (and the rest of my platoon) charging into the enemy.

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And the ammo issue: free bad ammo, cheap upgraded ammo, even better gold ammo deriving from antitank rifles, or HE (which was actually used in actual FlAK mode/shooting with crackers/especially good against brit tanks).
The normal ammo costs a whopping 4 credits a piece. Goldammo is 1 gold a piece. Having HE ammo could be nice, but apparently WoT thinks otherwise. Having more than 3 types of ammo for 1 gun is as far as I know impossible.

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The L 55J gun would only stay for historical accuracy and not to overpower it (0.62m on 100m accuracy against 0.45m on 100m of the L 112)
That would keep it on the close range. I hope you get my point. That's the way I'd like to have it.
If you want it, check the German Ebay, as far as I know there are still Pz II J's on sale there, if you are willing to spend €50 on a tier 3 premium tank that is.

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PS: wenn du deutscher bist: Für die FlugAbwehrKanonen wurde HochExplosive Munition verwendet, Zum beispiel gegen Infantrie.
And if not: AntiAircraft Guns used HighExplosive Ammo, So did Infantry tanks.
Well, this is World of Tanks. Here this gun doesn't have HE ammo.

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myfabi94 #15 Posted 24 October 2012 - 01:09 PM

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I didn't mean you Usertmp, i meant nectaria. I pesonally love a well behaving discussion. And although i like this tank, I WILL NOT PAY 50€ for a currently halfassed tank. And also World of tanks changes all the time (The new brit Besa MG has only one type of ammo and no Gold addition to it)

Edited by myfabi94, 24 October 2012 - 01:12 PM.


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View Postmyfabi94, on 24 October 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

I didn't mean you Usertmp, i meant nectaria. I pesonally love a well behaving discussion. And although i like this tank, I WILL NOT PAY 50€ for a currently halfassed tank. And also World of tanks changes all the time (The new brit Besa MG has only one type of ammo and no Gold addition to it)
Oh ok, no problem then. :Smile_honoring:

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Someone bought a Pz II J for €66. :mellow:

myfabi94 #18 Posted 26 October 2012 - 12:48 PM

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gunna get it for 38

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Though i have a lot of fun with that tank, i doubt they'll sell it. And not because i want to be a special snowflake with a unique tank, but because it's not a tank that performs well on the battlefield. It's not very good at grinding money or xp, as it's a rather low level tank with a very, very underperforming gun for it's tier and it's rather slow so you can't even scout, so your main xp/cred income is BT drivers ramming you and exploding violently (realy, every match a BT-2 or 7 heads straight for me and rams me).
So it's not good for grinding credits or training crew, which seem to be the most important sales factors. The only thing that it does well is beeing rather rare and unique.. and that's a characteristic that you can't keep when selling it ot the masses.

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View PostFeindfeuer, on 28 October 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:

Though i have a lot of fun with that tank, i doubt they'll sell it. And not because i want to be a special snowflake with a unique tank, but because it's not a tank that performs well on the battlefield. It's not very good at grinding money or xp, as it's a rather low level tank with a very, very underperforming gun for it's tier and it's rather slow so you can't even scout, so your main xp/cred income is BT drivers ramming you and exploding violently (realy, every match a BT-2 or 7 heads straight for me and rams me).
So it's not good for grinding credits or training crew, which seem to be the most important sales factors. The only thing that it does well is beeing rather rare and unique.. and that's a characteristic that you can't keep when selling it ot the masses.

But is it fun to play? That's always a big factor for me when buying premiums, and why I bought the Valentine LL. I don't have any Soviet tanks to train crews for, it doesn't make much money per game - but it's an absolute blast to drive!




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