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Poll: Neues Jahr, neue Umfrage: Wo seht ihr die größten Schwachpunkten im französischen Techtree?(Jeder hat diesmal 3 votes!) (93 members have cast votes)

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Neues Jahr, neue Umfrage: Wo seht ihr die größten Schwachpunkten im französischen Techtree? (Jeder hat diesmal 3 votes!)

  1. In den fehlenden regulären Mediums zwischen Tier V und Tier 9, die keine Bollwerkmöglichkeiten erlauben? (60 votes [29.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.13%

  2. In den fehlenden Superheavies? (Bei den Japanern hat das Konzept funktioniert.) (30 votes [14.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.56%

  3. In der fehlenden zweiten TD-Linie (AMR 35 ZT, AMR 35 YT, Renault VE, Renault-Garnier, Lorraine 37 AC, Lorraine Canon d´assault, AMX CDC...)? (29 votes [14.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.08%

  4. In der fehlenden zweiten Arty-Linie? (12 votes [5.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.83%

  5. In den fehlenden echten Lowtierlights der Stufen 2, 3 und 4 z.B. im Hinblick auf Kompanien (AMC 34, AMC 35, AMR 35, AMR 35 ZT, AMR 35 YT)? (16 votes [7.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.77%

  6. In der fehlenden Überarbeitung und Anpassung der alten Fahrzeuge besonders der Problemfälle (AMX 38, AMX 40,B1...)? (59 votes [28.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.64%

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Easha #2021 Posted 10 October 2019 - 07:08 PM

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Etwas für Wiesel: Eine Dokumentation über französische Schlachtschiffe... der besonderen Art.

 

Hochachtungsvoll,

 

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Das_Wiesel_WeaselY4 #2022 Posted 18 October 2019 - 11:54 PM

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Vielen Dank, dafür nehme ich mir gerne etwas Zeit! :):great:

 

Edit:

 

Sandbox Changes:

https://ritastatusreport.live/2019/10/18/sandbox-he-damage-canges-details/#more-59192


Edited by Das_Wiesel_WeaselY4, 19 October 2019 - 12:10 AM.


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View PostDas_Wiesel_WeaselY4, on 30 August 2019 - 06:30 PM, said:

OMFG!!!

 

Endlich ist es soweit!!!

 

Die echten französischen Lights kommen, zumindest schon mal einer!!!

 

Auf die und auf die Superheavies warte ich doch schon seit JAHREN!!!

 

:):):)

 

 

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2019/08/30/wot-supertest-amr-35/

 

Edit:

 

Auf den AMR 35 warte ich auch schon ewig.



Das_Wiesel_WeaselY4 #2024 Posted 19 October 2019 - 07:16 PM

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Ja, auf die ganze leichte Reihe... :(

Das_Wiesel_WeaselY4 #2025 Posted 22 October 2019 - 04:59 PM

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Ist vielleicht ein gutes Zeichen, dass der noch nicht raus ist. So lange besteht noch Hoffnung, dass es eine Linie oder ein Unterbau wird... .

Das_Wiesel_WeaselY4 #2026 Posted 04 November 2019 - 03:33 PM

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Mal einige Denkanstöße für frz. Flugzeug- und Wasserflugzeugträger und die Rahmenbedingungen der internationalen Entwicklung dieser Klasse(n).

Edit: Hatte mir aus frz. Sicht mehr erhofft. Die Bearn wird absichtlich ignoriert und die Commandant Teste gar nicht erst erwähnt. Schade. Eine vergebene Gelegenheit für Drachniffel. Vielleicht muß er mal wieder ein wenig in die richtige Richtung gepushed werden, so wie beim Video über frz Schlachtschiffe... .:hiding:

Vielleicht gibt es ja mehr Franzosen oder Rückgriffe auf bekannte im zweiten Teil... hoffentlich... .


Edited by Das_Wiesel_WeaselY4, 04 November 2019 - 04:22 PM.


Das_Wiesel_WeaselY4 #2027 Posted 05 November 2019 - 11:59 PM

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Hier mal ein Video zur Entwicklung der Dunkerque:

Enthalten sind auch die nicht verwirklichten Entwürfe, die sehr gut in WoWs integriert werden könnten:

 

Edit:

Auch die Strasburg, eine besser gepanzerte Dunkerque, wartet noch auf die Einführung ins Spiel.

 

 


Edited by Das_Wiesel_WeaselY4, 06 November 2019 - 12:06 AM.


Das_Wiesel_WeaselY4 #2028 Posted 07 November 2019 - 09:55 PM

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Die Danton ist ebenfalls noch nicht im Spiel. Im Spiel ist die Turenne, deren Herkunft mir unbekannt ist und die so etwas, wie eine Danton mit weniger Türmen ist.

Mit Einführung der U-Boote im nächsten Jahr, wird auch der Grundstein für eine mögliche Einführung der Surcouf gelegt werden. Ob und wie, sehen wir dann später.


Edited by Das_Wiesel_WeaselY4, 08 November 2019 - 11:40 AM.


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Ich konnte ein paar Infos zur Bearn ausgraben, die im Video weiter oben gezielt nicht angesprochen wurde:

 

 

Ein brandheißer Kandidat für WS. Möglicherweise schon im nächsten Jahr...?

 

Und zur Entwicklung frz. Flugzeugträger:


Edited by Das_Wiesel_WeaselY4, 10 November 2019 - 03:24 AM.


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Ein wenig Input zur Commandant Teste in WS.

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https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2019/11/15/wot-amr-35-final-hd-model-new-years-gift-tank/

 



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View PostMacally, on 16 November 2019 - 09:56 AM, said:

offenbar hat das Wiesel den Historiker Mark Felton so lange bedrängt, dass dieser nun jenes Video produziert hat  :medal:

 

 

 


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Hier mal etwas zum Projekt Char d´arret:

On May 28th, 1928, General Estienne informed the Ministry of War of the interest of a powerful tank of 40 to 50 tonnes, with 6 or 7 cm of armor, and equipped with a high velocity 75 mm gun. This tank, which would be called “char d’arrêt”, was favorably received as early as July 9th, 1928 by the Minister as part of the defense of fortified areas. A first approach points out that the armor, in order to withstand tank attacks, should be around 10 cm thick. On the 13th of July, General Estienne had the Forges et Chantiers de la Méditerranée (FCM) study a project on the following bases :

– Railway transport, similarly to the 2C tank
– Armament: two 75 mm guns (700 m/s velocity), with a rate of fire ranging from 12 to 15 rounds per minute
– Speed : about 5 to 6 km/h in cross-country conditions
– Vertical armor: 10 cm on 3 faces, or 15 cm frontal armor with 6 to 7 cm of side armor

The theoretical study takes place, starting from the tank B1 and the tank 2C, with results in mass greater than or equal to 100 tonnes, with such dimensions that the turning capacities are altered. In July 1928, it’s envisaged to have a vehicle in two unsuspended parts, with 10 cm of frontal and side armor, weighing 70 to 80 tonnes, and with a top speed of 6 km/h: a crawler platform (with two electric engines) with double 75 mm gun turret, and a « factory-vehicle » (two generators and two electric engines) fueling the “turret” vehicle thanks to flexible ropes.

Due to the poor practicability of this concept, a second 60-65 tonnes draft was made in August 1928, this time with a single vehicle armed with just one marine 75 mm gun Mle 1922 CA (850 m/s velocity), in the hull, within the axis of the tank, aimed through the tracks, and powered by a Sauter-Harle engine (250 to 270 hp). The maximal armor was 12 cm, and the top speed was 6 km/h.

After studying the two projects, FCM then established a project close to the second one, in agreement with general Estienne. The driving position was double: one to the left of the barrel, with no possibility of aiming, as well as one to the right of the barrel, with the aiming devices. The engine was off-center, thus freeing a way to the rear, leading to a door. The low tracks, first 70 cm wide then 75 cm wide, were covered by the hull, and the suspension is not suspended. Some major changes were still decided, particularly about the frontal armor’s slope, and the ammunition rack getting a higher capacity. The unprotected driving position to the left was removed and became the tank commander’s place, who would have two periscopes as well as observation binoculars. Last but not least a turret armed with a machine gun is projected on the roof, pointing to the rear. The study ended in February 1929, with the tank having the following characteristics :

– Armament: one marine 75 mm gun (850 m/s velocity) with 160 shells, and eventually a machine gun inside a turret

– Mass: about 65 tonnes
– Armor : 10 to 12 cm (sloped front), 5 to 6 cm (vertical sides)
– Speed : 6 km/h
– Effective range: 80 km within 24 hours

On April 26th, 1929, the Minister indicated the credits didn’t allow to consider the realization before 1931. The study was thus stopped on May 17th, 1929, with FCM even accepting to not be paid.

Meanwhile, the Section technique des chars de combat (STCC) establish a rather different draft in June 1929 :

– Armament : one 120 mm gun (400 m/s velocity) in front-mounted turret
– Engine: 500 hp
– Speed : 12 km/h
– Gearbox: Winterthur, hydraulic
– Tracks: FCM type, 75 mm wide, drive sprocket to the front
– Suspension: Johnson with Gall chain
– Mass: about 65 tonnes
– Armor: 50 mm for the gun turret, 35 mm for the MG turret, 50 mm frontal armor, 40 mm side armor, 30 mm rear and roof armor, 15 mm floor armor

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STCC draft

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2019/11/24/tap-special-6-chars-darret-fcm-stcc/#more-74970

Edit: Oh ja, 120mm im Midtier, verdammt noch mal ja! :justwait:


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Auch bei WoWs tauchen Franzosen in anderen Trees auf. Folgendes Beispiel ist aber sehr krass, da es sich um einen frz. Projektentwurf handelt, der nie umgesetzt wurde und plötzlich im chinesischen Tree erscheint???

 

As the Chinese New Year approaches, we are getting new premium ships to make it a bit more interesting.

Now… these 2 premium ships might be the weirdest I ever saw in this game. The first one is the Tier VIII cruiser Wukong that is based on the French cruiser Charles Martel and the second one is… the tier IX battleship Bajie that is based on the Izumo. For now, the ships have the exact same model as Charles Martel B-hull and Izumo C-hull but we might be able to hope for a new model for the Izumo even though only time will tell.

You might also think that it doesn’t make any sense that a Japanese battleship and a French cruiser become Chinese Premium and I heavily agree with you. Now, it does have a good side because it will allow me to go back to these 2 designs soooo… I guess that I have to say thank you to the Chinese New Year.

In both cases, I will not go back to there armor scheme since you basically just need to check the Charles Martel and Izumo to look at it on your side.

Chinese Tier VIII  Cruiser Wukong

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The Wukong (and by such the Charles Martel) is based on the never-completed Saint-Louis-class of heavy cruisers from the French Navy. More precisely, they are following the characteristics of the C5 A3 variant.

This new class was meant to succeed the Algérie but this time, free from the restrictions of the London Naval Treaty and Washington Naval Treaty. These ships were also meant to counter the under-construction Admiral Hipper-class heavy cruisers of the Kriegsmarine and would carry a powerful main armament of 3 triple 203 mm gun turrets with 2 superfiring forward and one aft. The ships would also be equipped with the more modern dual-purpose twin “Canons de 100 mm Modèle 1933” as well as the twin “Canons de 37 mm Modèle 1935 ACAD”.

The ships were meant to be named the same way as retired pre-dreadnought battleships: Saint-Louis, Henri IV, Charlemagne, Brennus, Charles Martel and Vercingetorix.

In the end, all work on the class was abandoned with the Fall of France in June 1940.

When it comes to the Wukong, the ship is getting an… interesting treatment to say the least. She trades the Hydroacoustic Search, the Engine Boost as well as the Main Battery Reload Booster for a Torpedo Reload Booster and Deep-water torpedoes. If this sounds like a bad trade for you, don’t worry, you are not alone.

At least, the ship as a cool name since it is named after the Chinese mythologic figure Sun Wukong, the Monkey King. Some people might know the name since it inspired the character Son Goku from the iconic manga Dragon Ball as well as a champion in the video game League of Legends.

Modules
Hull
Engine
Gun Fire Control System
Main battery
Torpedoes

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Wukong

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Propulsion: 100 000 hp

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PCA n° 8 Mle 1

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203 mm/55 Mle 1934

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550 mm 23DT

Characteristics
GeneralMain BatterySecondariesTorpedo TubesAir DefenseConsumables
Tier VIII
Health 38 000 HP
Displacement 14 700 tons
Main Armament
Maximum Firing Range 17.580 km
203 mm/55 Mle 1934 3 x 3 203 mm
Secondary Armament
Maximum Firing Range 5.000 km
100 mm/45 Mle 1931 5 x 2 100 mm
Torpedo Armament
Maximum Firing Range 12.000 km
550 mm tube lance-torpilles 2 x 3 550 mm
Maximum speed 32.5 kts
Turning Circle Radius 690 m
Rudder Shift Time 9.9 s
Surface Detectability 13.68 km
Air Detectability 7.16 km
Detectability After Firing Main Gus in Smoke 8.03 km

 

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Personal opinion

Hum… so we trade everything that makes the Charles Martel interesting for a torpedo reload booster? On a ship with only 3 torpedoes per side?

Well for me, that’s a big no.

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-warships/supertest-pan-asian-tier-viii-cruiser-wukong-and-tier-ix-battleship-bajie/



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Bei 17:47 wirds französisch:



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Der Gendron Somua AM39 kommt!... wharscheinlich... als Lootbox... ... .

 

Its almost time for Holiday Ops 2020 start! Some of you were worried that no Christmas event his year was coming, but fear not, it usually starts mid-December with the last update of the year. Together with Update 1.7, what can we expect of it? Well, to start, Double-Barrel tanks won’t be coming with Update 1.7, they arrived late to Supertest and Wargaming wasn’t able to pack them up with the update. But you can count on lootboxes to come!

 

According to WOT Express, and some inside information of my own (to make sure some things are right), this year lootboxes are coming with a big bang and loads of new tanks. Here’s what you might encounter if you decide to buy lootboxes:

 

Please note: The following information might be inaccurate. Please take it all with a grain of salt.

Highly Wanted Tank Gambles

First, lets start with the most desired prizes that might be included. These are what every single player who buys a box wants to get. Out of all four vehicles, I was only been able to confirm one that is coming, and all I can say is that has double of something, when compared to other tanks. Not hard to guess.

  • Object 703 version II – Tier VIII Soviet Heavy Tank – Brand New Double Barrel tank! Normal ones aren’t coming, that doesn’t mean you can’t get a Premium one first!
  • E 75 TS – Tier VIII German Heavy Tank – Brand new tank long waited by German armour fans! It has its own 3D style, maybe we will be able to get it too?
  • SU-130PM – Tier VIII Soviet Tank Destroyer – Not new, but highly desired by players. It also has a brand new 3D style that might be included.
  • Progetto M35 mod. 46 – Tier VIII Italian Medium Tank – The most beloved Italian tank in the game. Everyone always loves to have one in their garage!

Other Wanted Tank Gambles

The following tanks will be the ones that are least desired by players. Still, if you don’t own them, they are always a nice addition to the garage.

  • Sherman VC Firefly – Tier VI British Medium Tank
  • Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf. K – Tier V German Medium Tank
  • Sexton I – Tier III British SPG
  • AM 39 Gendron-Somua – Tier II French Armoured Car (Light Tank) – Brand new! If it’s released, it will be the first low tier wheeled vehicle of the game.

What else?

We all know that there is always something else to get, and last year Wargaming upped their game with 3D styles! This year is no different, and we should expect even more new 3D styles in the possible list of gambled prizes for the following vehicles:

  • Jagdpanzer E 100
  • E 100
  • Object 430 U
  • Object 140
  • T110E4
  • AMX 13 105

Please remember, all the information above might change at any given moment, but WOT Express has been quite reliable with their leaks. So what do you think? Excited for more gamble this year? Or are you going to pass it? Do you think Wargaming is taking the right path by making never seen before tanks only available with lootboxes?

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-tanks/holiday-ops-2020-lootboxes-coming-with-a-big-bang/

Edit: Und ein weiterer Neuzugang:

Today we welcome a new French Tier IX medium to the Supertest, the Projet 4-1, with great dynamics: a top speed of 60 km/h and a power-to-weight ratio of 26.7 hp/t. As usual for French vehicles, it’s not a tank to push enemy lines with. It may have 120 mm of well-angled frontal turret armour, but only 55 mm of hull armour. As for hit points, it has 1750 HP and a view range of 380 m.

The Projet 4-1 is armed with a 105 mm gun that boasts several excellent parameters: a 4-shell drum, 390 damage per shot, a reload time of 4 s per shell and 36 s for the entire drum. The penetration of a standard shell is 264 mm and with an HEAT round at hand you can punch through 330 mm of metal. As for dispersion and aiming time, it is 0.32 m/100m and 2 s respectively – extremely good for an autoloader!

Its good dynamics and great weapon allow the Projet 4-1 to control the battlefield, quickly respond to situational changes and take out enemies reliably. Consider the increased reload time inside the drum and the relatively weak armour… but a true master will know how to counter its weaknesses and get the most out of the vehicle’s strengths.

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2019/12/04/world-of-tanks-supertest-projet-4-1/


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Today, Supertest receives a new French Tier VIII medium, the Bat.-Châtillon 12t mle. 54.

The strongest aspect of this tank is its mobility. Going flat out, it can hit 62 km/h and its power-to-weight ratio is 25.8 hp/t. As for the armor, well, you shouldn’t rely on it; its most well-covered areas are only 40 mm thick. The HP of this medium is 1250 units and it has a view range of 390 m.

This Bat-Chât’s gun offers 6 degrees of gun depression and is equipped with a two-shell drum that deals 360 damage. Reloading will take 2 s for a single shell or 18 s for the entire drum. The penetration of a standard shell is 190 mm, and for an APCR round—240 mm. As for the aiming time and dispersion, it’s 3.5 s and 0.42 m/100 m respectively.

All in all, the Bat.-Châtillon 12t mle. 54 is perfect for fast-paced gameplay and aggressive attacks at close quarters. The quickly reloading drum allows you to do max damage in just a couple of seconds, and its high mobility will help you avoid return fire. The key to having a great fight in this tank: choose the right moment to attack!

 

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-tanks/bat-chatillon-12t-mle-54/

 

Kommentar: Interessant, was sich hier entwickelt, ein Ixer und ein VIIIer? Bastelt WG an einer neuen Linie? Möglicherweise mit leichtem Unterbau?

 

Edit:

Update 1.7 will be released between 10 and 11 December, and with it, the festive season will start! [...]

 

  • Gift tank will be the Tier II AMR 35, French light tank
  • With it, players will also be getting a garage slot, x3 Small Boxes and one AntiDuplicator.

Was ist ein AMR 35:

Spoiler

 

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-tanks/holiday-ops-2020-leaked-details/

 

 

Edit: Und die Nerferei geht los:

 

A small nerf to accuracy. Rest of the parameters remain the same.

 

• Aiming time: from 1.92 to 2.11 s.
• Accuracy at 100 meters: from 0.31 to 0.33

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2019/12/09/wot-supertest-projet-4-1-changes-v2/

 

Edit:

Um den AMR35 zu bekommen, reicht es offenbar, sich einzuloggen bzw. die Garage zu "betreten":

When you open your Garage on December 13, you will find special gifts from me and the Snow Maidens:

  • Three Small boxes upon login
  • A rare Tier II French Premium light tank, the AMR 35, with a 100% crew and Garage slot
  • One Charge—a special event item (read below for details).

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2019/12/09/world-of-tanks-holiday-ops-2020-free-gift-tank-lootboxes-massive-xp-bonuses/#more-75391

 

Edit:

World of Tanks Update 1.7 is here!

 

 

Changes to the technical characteristics of the following vehicles

France
  • Added the following vehicle:
    • AMR 35

Fixed the issue of the “low” drowning point for the Lorraine 155 51 (SPG).

 

(Kommentar: Sehr gut, hat mich schon das Leben gekostet!)

 

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-tanks/world-of-tanks-update-1-7-is-here/

 

Edit: Bei WoWs gibt es im Weihnachtsspecial eine permanante Tarnung für die französische Tier VI Guepard zu erspielen.

 

Hier der Link zum Special.

 


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Ein vollständiger Medium Zweig wäre was feines, ich befürchte aber die Bat-Chat wird wieder ein Premium Panzer. Die Werte lesen sich merkwürdig.

 

- 3,5s Aimtime

- sehr niedrige HP

- wohl sehr leicht (12t)

 

Interessant das der Panzer ein Medium sein soll und kein Light.



Das_Wiesel_WeaselY4 #2040 Posted 09 December 2019 - 05:53 PM

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Hm auf dem Supertestserver ist ja alles möglich. Von Schreibfehler bis kompletter Überarbeitung der Werte oder Zuordnung zu einer anderen Klasse. Die Befürchtungen teile ich natürlich aber die Hoffnungen dergleichen.;)

Edited by Das_Wiesel_WeaselY4, 09 December 2019 - 07:03 PM.





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