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Exostar #41 Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:25 PM

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View PostGenjurooo, on 02 November 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

I just started grinding it. The stock gun is totally useless. Just play with the Howitzer (it is quite fun).

And I get tier 7 battles at most. I don't remember seeing a tier 8 tank.

rush to the top gun as quickly as possible. once your there you have to harass the enemy, against lower tier tanks you stand a good chance, against anything else either act as spotter or work with another tank to get around and a chip away at its health. I find the AMX 12t is good training for this, keep moving and pop out to shoot for a second then fall back.

Ravenblade86 #42 Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:22 PM

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Having just got into the Crusader I can't say to much about it, but the Howitzer is slightly more effective on it than it is on the A13 thanks to matchmaking dumping you in games with far more heavy tanks who aren't buzzing about as much. You definitely don't want to be going head to head with to many tanks though.

St0ne_Monkey #43 Posted 03 November 2012 - 12:04 AM

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It's a pile of crap and it's global stats will eventualy prove this.

Redbush #44 Posted 03 November 2012 - 09:16 AM

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Damn i was hoping this might be better than the covenanter but it seems not.

sheep6665 #45 Posted 03 November 2012 - 09:31 AM

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View PostExostar, on 01 November 2012 - 07:41 PM, said:

People talk about this tank as a flanker but you can't flank because the enemy are spread out and will kill you as you try to attack the rear of another.
Well, it seems that flanking is impossible.
But I tend to do it a lot in my meds.
How it's possible?

Edited by sheep6665, 03 November 2012 - 10:30 AM.


Kyphe #46 Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:47 AM

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OMG this is fun, the first game as stock was no good, but I free xp unlocked the first 6pdr and tore apart a t34/85 and 2 KVs and a KV2 and an IS I racked up almost 9000xp in that game with the x5 bonus, unlocked engine and second 6pdr.

love this little guy, plays like the easy 8

Genjurooo #47 Posted 03 November 2012 - 03:31 PM

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View PostKyphe, on 03 November 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

OMG this is fun, the first game as stock was no good, but I free xp unlocked the first 6pdr and tore apart a t34/85 and 2 KVs and a KV2 and an IS I racked up almost 9000xp in that game with the x5 bonus, unlocked engine and second 6pdr.

love this little guy, plays like the easy 8
WTF? Are you on something or just used gold ammo?  To solo a KV with that puny damage takes like forever and he needs only 1-2 shots.

DanB24 #48 Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:01 PM

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Hmmm it seems to play a bit like a slower but much much stealthier M7 medium (and I loved that tank) and it shares (the what always feels like) a belt fed 6pdr of death.
Looking purely at the stats before hand I was expecting it to be utterly awful but I'm enjoying it so far.  :Smile_amazed:  :Smile_Default:  :Smile_veryhappy:

Listy #49 Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:09 PM

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View PostDanB24, on 03 November 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

Hmmm it seems to play a bit like a slower but much much stealthier M7 medium (and I loved that tank) and it shares (the what always feels like) a belt fed 6pdr of death.
Looking purely at the stats before hand I was expecting it to be utterly awful but I'm enjoying it so far.  :Smile_amazed:  :Smile_Default:  :Smile_veryhappy:

Go on admit it.. I was right!

2alertred #50 Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:42 PM

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View PostGenjurooo, on 03 November 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

WTF? Are you on something or just used gold ammo?  To solo a KV with that puny damage takes like forever and he needs only 1-2 shots.

I soloed 2 kv-1  with A-13 (stock cannon with gold ammo).  So yeah its posible if you get close enogh and circle them too death. Kinda takes 2 min too kill them tho.

lemmingskiller #51 Posted 03 November 2012 - 08:03 PM

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this tank is fast anf full upgraded can hit hard on enemy arty

Ravenblade86 #52 Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:03 AM

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I'm not sure what I think of the Crusader yet really, it's been a bit more of a struggle than the A13 (which I love using!) was though for sure. The biggest issue I have really it the fact that it's armour is paper thin, and I always struggle with that,  getting through the PzKpfw III & III/IV was a painful process for me though I did start to like the III/IV so I'm hoping the Crusader will be the same.

Now that it's fully upgraded though I'm starting to have some really fun battles, though I still dread getting dumped in among a bunch of heavies. I've had one of my best ever WoT games in tonight though, racking up five kills and doing a lot of damage (almost managing to defend the base against four enemy tanks) which included taking out a KV-1 and and another heavy (a T1 if I remember correctly) and that's without using gold ammo.

I have about another 20,000 exp to go to get into the Cromwell, so we shall how we get on. At the minute, it's a bit of a mixed bag.

GM6_Lynx #53 Posted 04 November 2012 - 12:38 AM

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The Crusader is awesome. I use vents, gun laying drive, and camo on mine, and have had a lot of pretty good games with it. It definitely takes some getting used to, especially after the pompom guns you probably had been using since tier 2, but when you adapt to its unique playstyle, it rocks. Instead of using your speed to get into a flanking position like the m7mt, or the pz3/4, you must use stealth. Since you are classified as a light tank, you are just as stealthy when you move, like when you are standing still. That means you must take different routes, not relying on your speed to surprise the enemy, but instead trying not to be seen at all, or at least not in time for them to reposition. Your gun has dpm above 2000, so if you manage to get close to the enemy, you HURT. It is also worth noting, that while the pz3/4-s top gun gets +48 penetration by using premium ammo, you get a whopping +70 (for a pen of 180), and that is almost as much as the long german 75mm with premium ammo (194). I understand that a lof of people may feel it is "noobish" to use premium ammo, and that it takes no skill to beat somebody using it, but I have only been using it against opponents with tanks tiered above mine, in which case, I feel it is fair, since the enemy still has a big overall advantage over me, maybe even in penetration.

avg dmg in 52 battles so far: 547,81

Edited by GM6_Lynx, 04 November 2012 - 12:41 AM.


Rogue_Soul #54 Posted 04 November 2012 - 03:21 AM

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I want to like this tank.... but my first six matches have been hopeless losses (not sure if it's me, my team or just bad luck! GAH!).   I'm pretty sure I loved this tank (along with the Cromwell and Comet) in the pre-launch test... but something has gone wrong somewhere! Help!

Edit: Make that 7 straight losses.  Last match I even got 5 kills.... and still lost. AAAAAAARGH!
Edit2: Game 8 - A naff win...   finally I can go to bed.

Edited by Rogue_Soul, 04 November 2012 - 03:42 AM.


Kyphe #55 Posted 04 November 2012 - 04:26 AM

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View PostGenjurooo, on 03 November 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

WTF? Are you on something or just used gold ammo?  To solo a KV with that puny damage takes like forever and he needs only 1-2 shots.

no gold and not one of the Kvs hit me, mainly because they were not shooting at me lol i never said I soloed em lol

I said I tore em apart

Edited by Kyphe, 04 November 2012 - 04:30 AM.


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View Post2alertred, on 03 November 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

I soloed 2 kv-1  with A-13 (stock cannon with gold ammo).  So yeah its posible if you get close enogh and circle them too death. Kinda takes 2 min too kill them tho.

Terribly sorry to say this, Sir, but I call bullshit on this one!

Only about the rear and side (75 & 70mm) hull are remotely penetreable with the stock gun (av.pen.78mm).
With the average damage of 50 you would need about 12 hits / tank to destroy them. If we count more realistically that
1/3 is pings/0dam pens and the average damage would be,say 40, you suddenly would need about 20 penetrating & damagedealing  hits / tank.
That counting that you actually hit them on every shot.

So in short, you shot the two KV-1s with 40 hits,or with your 61% hit rate, you shot them with approx 70 shots,of wich 40 hit.

How the hell managed you to survive of being oneshotted for what, 3 minutes, of dance of death??!!!!
That is really a frigging feat to kill not one, but two Kv-1´s?



Hall of fame materiel, right there, I say!

Mag1cWalker #57 Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:21 AM

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View Postkotkot, on 04 November 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

Terribly sorry to say this, Sir, but I call bullshit on this one!

Only about the rear and side (75 & 70mm) hull are remotely penetreable with the stock gun (av.pen.78mm).
With the average damage of 50 you would need about 12 hits / tank to destroy them. If we count more realistically that
1/3 is pings/0dam pens and the average damage would be,say 40, you suddenly would need about 20 penetrating & damagedealing  hits / tank.
That counting that you actually hit them on every shot.

So in short, you shot the two KV-1s with 40 hits,or with your 61% hit rate, you shot them with approx 70 shots,of wich 40 hit.

How the hell managed you to survive of being oneshotted for what, 3 minutes, of dance of death??!!!!
That is really a frigging feat to kill not one, but two Kv-1´s?



Hall of fame materiel, right there, I say!

I belive him :) Read more carefully next time, he says he soloed them with GOLD ammo which is totaly possible, also he soloed 2 kv-1 not KV-1s!!! :)

Edited by Mag1cWalker, 04 November 2012 - 10:23 AM.


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View Postkotkot, on 04 November 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

Terribly sorry to say this, Sir, but I call bullshit on this one!

Only about the rear and side (75 & 70mm) hull are remotely penetreable with the stock gun (av.pen.78mm).
With the average damage of 50 you would need about 12 hits / tank to destroy them. If we count more realistically that
1/3 is pings/0dam pens and the average damage would be,say 40, you suddenly would need about 20 penetrating & damagedealing  hits / tank.
That counting that you actually hit them on every shot.

So in short, you shot the two KV-1s with 40 hits,or with your 61% hit rate, you shot them with approx 70 shots,of wich 40 hit.

How the hell managed you to survive of being oneshotted for what, 3 minutes, of dance of death??!!!!
That is really a frigging feat to kill not one, but two Kv-1´s?



Hall of fame materiel, right there, I say!


QF 2-pdr Mk. X with gold ammo can penetrate kv from any side (even front but you need to hit drivers hatch). You pretty much just auto aim the gun and run araund him (if he is alone-if he has a friend just use rocks to hide). Kv-1 turret has a very slow turning speed so you can pretty much outrun it in either A13 or Crusader  (yeah i killed kv-1 with the same tactic as on 13).

You just need too look where he turns the turret and stop from time too time.   (95% of playerbase who plays a kv-1 doesnt know you can ram players and they just move turrets thinking you cant hurt them).

Genjurooo #59 Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:56 AM

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This looks like an advertisment for gold ammo. What other tier 5 needs countless amounts of normal ammo to kill a KV-1? None.

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View PostGenjurooo, on 04 November 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

This looks like an advertisment for gold ammo. What other tier 5 needs countless amounts of normal ammo to kill a KV-1? None.

Thats only when your tank is stil stock--top gun after is enogh with 110 pent.




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