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Bravo_two_six #1 Posted 10 November 2012 - 03:58 AM

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Hello players!

  Tonight i bring you my first specialist vehicle background.

A Super-heavy tank is a heavy tank that is generally over 75 tonnes and also much heavier than tanks of its period. The Char 2C weighed 70tonnes and the FCM F1 was planned to weigh 140tonnes.

The French Army designed Superheavy tanks during the 1920's - 1940's to fight and breakthrough the German Sigfried line. The Char 2C and FCM 2C Bis where produced and in service, however the FCM F1 never left the blueprint stage due to the fall of france in 1940.


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CHAR 2C
"French Super-Heavy tank developed, but not deployed during WW1. It was the largest operational tank ever manufactured"
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Designed : 1917
Produced: 1921
In Service: 1921 - 1940
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Weight: 69 Tonnes
Length: 10.27m
Width: 3m
Height: 4.09m
Crew: 12 (driver, commander, gunner, loader, four machine gunners, mechanic, electrician, assistant-electrician/mechanic and a radio
operator)
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Armour: 45/22/22mm (Command vehicle ‘Lorraine’ mounted 90/65/65mm armor)
Main Armament: 75mm Gun
Secondary Armament: Four 8mm machine guns
Engine: 2x 250h.p
Speed: 15km/h
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Possible Tiers: IV – VI

“The Char 2C had a loaded weight of 69 tonnes, partly because of its armor - 45 mm at the front, 22 mm at the sides, but much of it just because of its huge size. The armor was among the thickest of World War I-era tanks, though by modern standards this would be considered thin. It is still easily the largest tank ever taken into production. With the tail fitted, the hull was over twelve metres long. Within its ample frame there was room for two fighting compartments. The forward compartment was crowned by a three-man turret (the first such in history) mounting a long 75 mm gun, and the second, at the rear of the tank, was topped by a machine gun turret. Both turrets had stroboscopic cupolas. The three independent 8 mm machine gun positions at the front gave protection against infantry assault.

The fighting compartments were connected by the engine room. Each track was powered by its own 200 or 250 h.p. engine, via an electrical transmission. Top speed was 15 km/h. Seven fuel tanks, containing 1,260 litres, gave it a range of 150 kilometres. The suspension contained 39 interleaving road wheels on each side, making for a total of 90 wheels on the tank.

The Char 2C is the only super-heavy tank ever to attain operational status — a super-heavy tank is not simply a tank that is very heavy but one that is much heavier than regular tanks of its period. The next operational tank to approach its weight would be the German Tiger II heavy tank of World War II.”


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FCM 2C BIS
“The Champagne, a modified CHAR 2C mounted with a 155mm Howitzer being used as an experimental  SPG”
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Designed : 1926
Produced: 1926
In Service: 1926
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Weight: 74 Tonnes
Length: 10.27m
Width: 3m
Height: 4.09m
Crew: 12 (Commander driver,, gunner, loader, four machine gunners, mechanic, electrician, assistant-electrician/mechanic and a radio operator)
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Armour: 45/22/22mm (Command vehicle ‘Lorraine’ mounted 90/65/65mm armor)
Main Armament: 155mm Howitzer
Secondary Armament: Removed
Engine: 2x 250h.p (Improved)
Speed: 15km/h
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Possible Tiers: IV – VI

“In 1926, the later Champagne was modified into the Char 2C bis, an experimental type with a 155 mm howitzer in a cast turret. New engines were fitted and the machine gun positions deleted. In this configuration the tank weighed perhaps 74 tons. The change was only temporary though, as the vehicle was brought back into its previous condition the very same year.”


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FCM F1
"French Super-Heavy tank developed to replace the CHAR 2C in the role of attacking German fortifications”
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Designed: 1940
Produced: ----
In Service: ----
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Weight: 139 Tonnes
Length: 10.53m
Width: 3.10m
Height: 4.21m
Crew: 09
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Armour: 100mm (Side armour unknown)
Main Armament: 90mm DCA – Mounted in the rear turret
Secondary Armament: 47mm SA37 – Mounted in the front turret & 6 machine guns – Mounted in hull
Engine: 2x Renault V12 KGM 550h.p
Suspension: Vertical coils
Speed: 20km/h
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Possible Tiers: V – VII

“The FCM F1 was a French super-heavy tank developed during the Interbellum by the Forges et Chantiers de la Méditerranée company. Twelve were ordered in 1940 to replace the Char 2C, but France was defeated before construction could begin, a wooden mock-up being all that was finished.
The FCM F1 was large and elongated, and had two turrets: one in front and one in the back, with a single high-velocity gun in each turret. The rear turret was higher so it could shoot over the first one. The vehicle was intended to be heavily armoured. Its size and protection level made it by 1940, at about 140 tons the heaviest tank ever to have actually been ordered for production. Despite two engines its speed would have been slow.
The primary purpose of the tank was to breach German fortification lines, not to fight enemy tanks. The development path of the FCM F1 was extremely complex, due to the existence of a number of parallel super-heavy tank projects with overlapping design goals, the specifications of which were regularly changed. For each project in turn several companies submitted one or more competing proposals."

Poniedzielski #2 Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:16 AM

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Its a joke right? In the gold ammo era, anything that goes 15km/h will be toast in a minute.

Bravo_two_six #3 Posted 10 November 2012 - 04:18 AM

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View PostPoniedzielski, on 10 November 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

Its a joke right? In the gold ammo era, anything that goes 15km/h will be toast in a minute.

As far as i am aware, these 3 are still being planned.

Easy targets then?

Theodore #4 Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:05 AM

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TOG II seems fine, I think those three would be OK.

XxXSpottedYouXxX #5 Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:13 AM

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These are not Super heavies btw they are just longer versions of already existing vehicles.

Kellomies #6 Posted 11 November 2012 - 01:55 PM

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View PostDerRizerPin, on 10 November 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

These are not Super heavies btw
By the usual definition of the term they sure as Hell are.

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they are just longer versions of already existing vehicles.
what.

MathieuH96 #7 Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:46 AM

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Guys... look at this :

http://www.chars-fra...d=723&Itemid=36

The FCM F1 should have 120mm on the front and 100mm on sides with a 90mm gun and a speed limit of 24km/h

http://www.chars-fra...sk=view&id=1506

The FCM 50t (the new french premium tank T8) should have 120mm on the front maybe 100/90/80mm on sides (i hope) a 90mm gun with 91 shells (lol).
Average speed 45km/h and speed limit of 51km/h, motor 1000cv !!! i think this tank should have the camo of the IS or the Tiger.

But WG sucks and we will have a useless tank because it's a french tank and WG hates frenchies so ....
Wait&See  :Smile_sad:

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View PostMathieuH96, on 15 November 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

...
because it's a french tank and WG hates frenchies so ....

Yawn.  These types of comments are so boring.  The batchat is an excellent tank - how could this be if we follow your comments?

MathieuH96 #9 Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:24 PM

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Seriously, the batchat is certainly the worst Med T10...
It has the worst manoeuvrability while it's a 25t tank with a motor of 720cv...
The barrel is an advantage AND a big bad thing.
The accuracy is ...... LOL !
No armor, meet a TD T10 and you are dead, meet an arty shell and you are dead, meet an arty splash and you are dead etc..
When ennemies see your batchat it's "FIRE THE BATCHAT NOWWW !"

In conclusion .... you MUST play the batchat at close range or you will fail 4 rounds/5 and it will be boring or u must play with gold ammo, but it's noob and very expensive ! or only kill low Hp tank and it's f****** boring again ! I play the E50 and it's funniest than the batchat while im a fanboy of frenchies !

Wg "injured" french meds and are killing french heavies with the new T57 US tank with barrel ... BIIIIG JOOOOOKE !

Kellomies #10 Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:37 PM

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View PostMathieuH96, on 15 November 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

When ennemies see your batchat it's "FIRE THE BATCHAT NOWWW !"
This is because leaving it run around unmolested is an excellent way to die; the Batman is that dangerous.

Also trite persecution complexes are reserved to German fanbois and nowadays the more mouth-breathing variety of Brit; please don't try to bring that bandwagon here.

sladds98 #11 Posted 15 November 2012 - 07:00 PM

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View PostKellomies, on 15 November 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

This is because leaving it run around unmolested is an excellent way to die; the Batman is that dangerous.

Also trite persecution complexes are reserved to German fanbois and nowadays the more mouth-breathing variety of Brit; please don't try to bring that bandwagon here.
You do not even have a bat chat so do not comment on it. I have got the bat chat as well as the M48A1 and every nations tier 8 med(britain excluded). I have also played every tier 10 med in the test server and the bat chat is by FAR the worst tier 10 - my old M46 was SO much better than it even.

Exocet6951 #12 Posted 15 November 2012 - 07:02 PM

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WG don't hate French tanks, they just don't know how to balance autoloaders, and the non-autoloader tanks are meh designs to begin with.

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View PostExocet6951, on 15 November 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

WG don't hate French tanks, they just don't know how to balance autoloaders, and the non-autoloader tanks are meh designs to begin with.
I think that the autoloaders had perfect balance when they were first released but the intolerable moaning on the forums by people who did not know how to defend against autoloaders made WG confused and change the blance of them  :Smile_confused:

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View Postsladds98, on 15 November 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

You do not even have a bat chat so do not comment on it.
I fail to see how owning a tank is supposed to be a prequisite for commenting on the enemy reaction to it... also since you presumably looked up my acc info you ought to be aware that I do have the AMX 50, which is basically bigger and more cumbersome Lorraine. The Batcat at least *has* agility and a relatively small target profile to counterbalance its nonexistent armour so cry me a river. (Oh, and shoots APCR as its default shells.)

MathieuH96 #15 Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:13 PM

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Just something fun :

E50 + 50km/h+batchat = -500 then a easy shoot -400 = -900 in 3s ...

And the batchat is OP ? im laughing  :Smile_veryhappy:  Im not a god with my E50, but i can beat easy a Batchat because i know how this tank works.
T9 vs T10 ...
Just... LOL

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View PostKellomies, on 15 November 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

The Batcat at least *has* agility

LOL

Edited by MathieuH96, 15 November 2012 - 11:15 PM.


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View PostMathieuH96, on 15 November 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:


http://www.chars-fra...d=723&Itemid=36

The FCM F1 should have 120mm on the front and 100mm on sides with a 90mm gun and a speed limit of 24km/h


to be fair, there is so much uncertanty surrounding these vehicles that anything is possible





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