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Platypusbill #181 Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:40 AM

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 20 December 2012 - 09:55 AM, said:

I do have a bit of luck with the MM, it was a tier VII battle on Sand River, which means that you can pen everything and you've got some great hill trolling opportunities.

You shoot quickly, so in the end I had 14 pens on 17 hits, on 20 shots; which is still not enough when your top tiers do practically no damage:

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And yes, the clan is all part of being as inconspicuous and under-estimated as possible.
But to me it seems a lot like a nerfed Chaffee...?

Shorter view range, less penetration and accuracy on the gun, and as far as I can tell it's less agile. Both have virtually useless armour (stops only some HE shells), same MM spread and value, and a mid-fifties top speed.

Edited by Platypusbill, 20 December 2012 - 08:04 PM.


Bustergroove #182 Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:00 PM

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OK, quick update after 100 battles:
100% crew - 90% through 1st skill (they have been with me for a while!)
Tank fully researched - 30K towards T71
Ave exp - 441
win ratio - 49%

All the above is a bit below average for me (I'm not a very good player and never platoon but most of my current garage out perform this)

Comparison with Cromwell - 145 battles
90% crew
Ave exp - 477
win ratio - 53%

So, whilst I am still hating this tank with a passion, my overall conclusion is that:

1. It's not for me - not fast enough to scoot around, not tough enough to take a hit, gun slaps like a child. It's just no fun
2. It's match making that screws it - been bottom 1/3 of team for most games, nothing I can do to E-75s. Noticeably more fun in same tier fights
3. I am not good enough in this tank to swing fights - I can't think of many battles where I could honestly say I contributed greatly
4. If this tank would have been anything like this IRL it's clear to see why it never entered service!

I respect anyone who can do well with the T21 because they are clearly vastly superior to me. Having already played French tier 6-8 lights I know I will enjoy the next 2 US tanks on this tree and already have a rough idea how to use them so the grind WILL be worth it but, man, it's a struggle ;)

JoonHilt #183 Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:50 PM

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View PostMegafusion555, on 14 December 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

yay, 7 defeats in a row

i hate this tank

yo vitually have no ability to change the course of a game if your teamates suck

Got 16 loses in a row with SU-5 and i still like it.



zomed #184 Posted 20 December 2012 - 11:15 PM

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I like this tank. It is fun.

orlos_ #185 Posted 21 December 2012 - 01:09 AM

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This tank is great. At some point I just learned how to use it. First 100 matches were not so good, I was getting 50-200 exp and usually died in first minutes of battle. But now I have like 300-800 exp per battle (nearly 1000 exp couple of times). At start Im trying to find a bush, binocular optics on so it's easy to spot. When enemies are approaching Im trying to quickly fall back to my team and then just go with them, circle enemies and kill them from behind. From 43% wins at the beginning I went up to 49% and it's still going up :)

Nerevar22g #186 Posted 21 December 2012 - 08:55 AM

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winrate has nothing to do with how you play, I still havent got a clue how to use this crap and I got 270 average exp (with premium lol) and winrate gone up to 49%

orlos_ #187 Posted 21 December 2012 - 10:11 AM

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Well, except for higher winrate (which I think HAS something to do with how I play) I also raised my average exp from 240 to 310 and it's still raising.

Todor_the_terrible #188 Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:33 PM

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Wg please give some armor here!!!
This butter tank supposed to be scout by you, but it's paper armor make him most vulnerable - even compared to tanks in Tiers below

HubertGruber #189 Posted 21 December 2012 - 12:41 PM

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View PostTodor_the_terrible, on 21 December 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Wg please give some armor here!!!
This butter tank supposed to be scout by you, but it's paper armor make him most vulnerable - even compared to tanks in Tiers below

Armor. WTF. It needs higher top speed or something useful, not armor.

azakow #190 Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:48 PM

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View PostTodor_the_terrible, on 21 December 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Wg please give some armor here!!!
This butter tank supposed to be scout by you, but it's paper armor make him most vulnerable - even compared to tanks in Tiers below
IMO, the new US vehilce line was introduced to make all damage dealers play LT vehicles again, in order to appreciate what they are used to in other vehicles.
In best case it will make the damage dealers appreciate what skilled LT commanders can do for team success without any cry for armor or penetration.

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dapprman #191 Posted 22 December 2012 - 05:10 PM

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Been reading this thread with some interest as I got mine about an hour ago.  First battle was tier 7 and it seemed decent enoguh in that, but since then every battle has been tier 9, I've been bottom or near bottom of the pile, and frankly it's proving to be a potential hateful grind - worse than the M7.

View PostCostarring, on 13 December 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

T-21 plays like the Crusader. It is neither a light nor a medium tank. (too big for a light, not enough firepower/protection for a med)
From what I read here and from it's stats I agree, though I'd actually say it's closer to the Cromwell in all bar class (I'm about half way through my Comet on the way to my Centurion).  Having said that I'd say it's worse in every area, speed, agility, top gun penetraton, top gun damage (though rate of fire is very slightly quicker), and match making.  The gun is accurate and it's high rate of fire will do you well if you get a good position, but the Cromwell mainly was in tier 6-8 battles, this is 7-9, for me mainly 9.

I'm hoping once I've got the tracks and the load capacity it will make a semi-decent scout and snipe tank, but until then, unless I get lucky with the MM, it's painful.

My 2p.

BTW - even if it's bad, it's not the worst grind in the game - as other who got teh T30 when it was heavy can attest - the T34 as a tier 9 heavy was possibly the worst in the game.

anonym_kL7qtn3e52MB #192 Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:33 PM

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View Postdapprman, on 22 December 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

Been reading this thread with some interest as I got mine about an hour ago.  First battle was tier 7 and it seemed decent enoguh in that, but since then every battle has been tier 9, I've been bottom or near bottom of the pile, and frankly it's proving to be a potential hateful grind - worse than the M7.


From what I read here and from it's stats I agree, though I'd actually say it's closer to the Cromwell in all bar class (I'm about half way through my Comet on the way to my Centurion).  Having said that I'd say it's worse in every area, speed, agility, top gun penetraton, top gun damage (though rate of fire is very slightly quicker), and match making.  The gun is accurate and it's high rate of fire will do you well if you get a good position, but the Cromwell mainly was in tier 6-8 battles, this is 7-9, for me mainly 9.

I'm hoping once I've got the tracks and the load capacity it will make a semi-decent scout and snipe tank, but until then, unless I get lucky with the MM, it's painful.

My 2p.

BTW - even if it's bad, it's not the worst grind in the game - as other who got teh T30 when it was heavy can attest - the T34 as a tier 9 heavy was possibly the worst in the game.


A wise man once said "Grind a T-30? Fuggit...!"

dapprman #193 Posted 22 December 2012 - 07:06 PM

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View PostCostarring, on 22 December 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

A wise man once said "Grind a T-30? Fuggit...!"
Knowledge is gained through experience, but wisdom is gained from mistakes made - getting the T30 made me rather wise .....  :Smile-hiding:

MikeSaintz #194 Posted 23 December 2012 - 01:45 AM

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T21 update: Grind done, tank sold.

All in all it was a fun ride. It is a poor men's Chaffee, so if used like one we can achieve some success. Pretty fast and nimble, good viewrange, ok gun for what it is. When in Tier 7 battles it is great, can do lots of damage if played correctly.

Seems to me people are playing it like a T50 or a Medium Tank. It is neither.
It is a Light Tank. Play it acordingly.

Final Stats:
- 82 games played
- 47 Wins (57.3%)
- 27 Survived (32.9%, not bad)
- 67 Kills
- 632 avg dmg
- 729 avg XP
- 239 spotted
- 2196 Eff
No noteworthy medals, only Mastery Badge Ace Tanker. Didn't exceled with it, but sure was fun.
Played half dozen games platooning with another T21, and when in T7 battles it was a riot.

What you get after this? The funtastic T71.

Nerevar22g #195 Posted 23 December 2012 - 07:57 PM

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thats some bullshit stats lol, how lol

MikeSaintz #196 Posted 23 December 2012 - 09:44 PM

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View PostNerevar22g, on 23 December 2012 - 07:57 PM, said:

thats some bullshit stats lol, how lol

Thank you, care to share yours?

Maybe we all can learn something from you.

Nerevar22g #197 Posted 23 December 2012 - 10:47 PM

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ok, did you get all this date form the dossier website thing?



pretty good result for 55 second battle lol
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Edited by Nerevar22g, 23 December 2012 - 10:52 PM.


MikeSaintz #198 Posted 24 December 2012 - 12:25 AM

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View PostNerevar22g, on 23 December 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

ok, did you get all this date form the dossier website thing?



pretty good result for 55 second battle lol
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Suiscouting.... That's what I call a waste of a perfectly good light tank  :Smile_Default:
I haven't done that since the Leo, about 8K battles ago...

Yes, you can take all those stats from Wot Dossier

Edited by Sanctorum, 24 December 2012 - 12:27 AM.


Nerevar22g #199 Posted 24 December 2012 - 09:52 AM

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ok this is my T21

-56 battles
-22 won (39.3%)
-19 survived (33.9%)
-25 killed
-308 average damage
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-78 tanks spotted
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View PostTyrel, on 18 December 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Can't remember hating a tank so much as this one... Even the AMX 40 ugly duckling is better than this. It's totally useless, an oversized, super-slow "scout" with terrible matchmaking and a gun which is mediocre at best. Grinding 60k XP with this... THIS?!! is a pain in the ...

AMX 40 is honest. I can appreciate honesty. It doesn't give empty promises. Infact, it gives no promises. From the moment you've read the gun statistics and determined that you won't be penetrating tier 5 heavies to the moment you first start up your engine and slowly nudge forwards that-50kph-top speed-be-damned you know what you're into.

T21, on the other hand, is tier 6 light with rather decent looking stats. It has best traverse in game, gun from medium tank and seems decent overall. Match maker seems nasty, but hey, nothing like those tier 5 scouts, so it should be all right. Look, it's basically Chaffee/Sherman hybrid. You know Chaffee? That nasty poker who's aiming circle stays tiny when it rolls over the hills (and far away). And Sherman, with it's greater then life hull down. What's not to like?

I'm still withholding my judgement. T21 doesn't seem to be a bad tank. I just can't point to tier 6 and find anything worse then it. Perhaps AMX 12t?




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