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Exostar #1 Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:17 PM

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Don't think anyone have asked about this but is there any info about truth british scout tanks being included? Because lets be honest the tanks at present aren't really scout tanks in the classical sense.

If they do flesh out the british tree into a complete one it seems logical that they include it. If so will they go up to tier 8 like the french and americans?

Hokum15 #2 Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:55 PM

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The British to my knowledge didn't really use tanks for recon work in WWII. It was mainly armoured cars "LRCs" which were used.

Unless they add at a hgher tier the Scorpion or the Scimitar?

Listy #3 Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:07 AM

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I suspect we'll see the harry Hopkins and Vickers Lights at some point, followed by the FV301/A41 light tanks. Of course its a bit of a jump from a Harry Hopkins to a FV301.

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View PostListy, on 15 November 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

I suspect we'll see the harry Hopkins and Vickers Lights at some point, followed by the FV301/A41 light tanks. Of course its a bit of a jump from a Harry Hopkins to a FV301.

The vickers lights might be a problem since they were equipped with machine guns, though you might be able to use the mk 6 armed with a 15mm besa or the like at tier 2, but this has the effect of forcing the tetrarch up a tier to make way, could such a machine be balanced at tier 3? Then we would have the Harry Hopkins at tier 4 and the FV301 at tier 5.

Though I think the FV301 would function very much like the M24 with its punchy tier 7 gun from the comet (if they go on real life).

Listy #5 Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:16 PM

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Trouble is the Harry Hopkins isn't that different from a Tetarch, and I don't think we'll be getting a Tetarch in the British tree.

In hte workbench thread i did suggest that the A13 MKI and MKII get merged at Tier three and the Vickers Light MKVI gets slotted into the space, branching off to the Harry Hopkins at Tier III.

That leaves two questions:
1: What goesi n a tier 4?
2: Can we shoehorn in a 20mm Polsten to the Vickers Light?

Exostar #6 Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:08 PM

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Actually I've thought of a better idea, instead of having the FV301 as a tier 5 scouts, how above we have it as a tier 6 scout coming off from the crusader. That way its real life top gun won't be so over-powered.

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View PostExostar, on 15 November 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

Actually I've thought of a better idea, instead of having the FV301 as a tier 5 scouts, how above we have it as a tier 6 scout coming off from the crusader. That way its real life top gun won't be so over-powered.

I'd put the TVR-15000 in as Tier 6. Not entirely sure the FV301 will gut it at T6.

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View PostListy, on 15 November 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

I'd put the TVR-15000 in as Tier 6. Not entirely sure the FV301 will gut it at T6.
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not sure if this is the right model, but with a  bit of tweaking, tracks and pom pom aka James Bond, hmm wait a minute...
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aston martin, pop-up armour, rockets, ask Top Gear to do the necessary research for a turret and tracks :)

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View PostListy, on 15 November 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

I'd put the TVR-15000 in as Tier 6. Not entirely sure the FV301 will gut it at T6.

what is the TVR-15000? Can't find any info about it.

Malcious #10 Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:19 PM

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MKV Light
http://upload.wikime...ght_mk_v_02.jpg

Top road speed of about 32 MPH (51kph) with a .5 Inch Machine gave it decent firepower vs other light tanks, its primary purpose was artillery spotting and scouting.

this followed by the MKVI Light
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which was used during ww2 could do about 56kph and had slightly thicker armour, also used in the same role.

these followed by Tetrarch, Harry Hopkins and Electo.

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View PostExostar, on 15 November 2012 - 05:56 PM, said:

what is the TVR-15000? Can't find any info about it.

Sory got the name slightly wrong its cropped up on here many, many, many times.

I did suggest in another thread:
Tier 4: A-446/FV300
Tier 5: TV-10000 Rhino
Tier 6: TV-15000 (Thats the desgination I meant!)

View PostMalcious, on 15 November 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

MKV Light
http://upload.wikime...ght_mk_v_02.jpg

Top road speed of about 32 MPH (51kph) with a .5 Inch Machine gave it decent firepower vs other light tanks, its primary purpose was artillery spotting and scouting.

this followed by the MKVI Light
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which was used during ww2 could do about 56kph and had slightly thicker armour, also used in the same role.

these followed by Tetrarch, Harry Hopkins and Electo.

No such badger as an Electo, alecto maybe. and thats not a light tank is it.

However MKV =stock.
Upgrade turret to MKVI Turret and whack a 15mm Besa in it.

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View PostListy, on 15 November 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

Sory got the name slightly wrong its cropped up on here many, many, many times.

I did suggest in another thread:
Tier 4: A-446/FV300
Tier 5: TV-10000 Rhino
Tier 6: TV-15000 (Thats the desgination I meant!)



No such badger as an Electo, alecto maybe. and thats not a light tank is it.

However MKV =stock.
Upgrade turret to MKVI Turret and whack a 15mm Besa in it.

Its the TV-1000 Rhino and it was never equipped with a gun (just tested with a sight as a possible rival to the Contentious, it was never intended to be an actual combat vehicle and had no armour), the tracks were not fitted originally for testing, they were fitted for testing after 1966 and later removed again.  

Not heard of a TV-15000 though

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View PostTigger3, on 15 November 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

Its the TV-1000 Rhino and it was never equipped with a gun (just tested with a sight as a possible rival to the Contentious, it was never intended to be an actual combat vehicle and had no armour), the tracks were not fitted originally for testing, they were fitted for testing after 1966 and later removed again.  

Not heard of a TV-15000 though

Looky what I posted some time ago...

http://forum.worldof...-be-considered/

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View PostListy, on 15 November 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:

Looky what I posted some time ago...

http://forum.worldof...-be-considered/

Ok so any references I have found for the TV1000 was the same as all I found on the Bovington museum site

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The Most Powerful Wheeled Vehicle in the World

This incredible machine was created purely for experimental work; it was never intended as the prototype for a new type of fighting vehicle.

It was designed by the Fighting Vehicle Research and Development Establishment in Surrey in 1959 mainly as a test rig for various transmission systems and was remarkable, for its time, in that it skid steered like a tracked vehicle rather than the conventional method, like a car. It is powered by a Rover Meteorite V8 petrol engine rated at 535 bhp and was reckoned, in its day, to be the most powerful wheeled vehicle in the world

The wheels are fitted with huge (1800x24) heavy duty cross-country tyres which, originally, had variable pressure control. Although it was never intended to be a combat vehicle in its own right Rhino was tested, at Lulworth, as a wheeled rival to Contentious, an airportable tank destroyer. A gun sight was fitted and the driver was instructed to try and keep a target tank in his sights as he drove Rhino across country - it proved virtually impossible.

At some point, around 1966 the vehicle's wheels were removed and replaced by suspension units and a form of pneumatic track known as the Bonmartini system. This appears to be to the design of Count Giovanni Bonmartini but presumably it did not work because the vehicle was subsequently restored to its original appearance.

You have this bit from Think Defence about the FRES program

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1960′s and 1970′s
The Armoured Vehicle Reconnaissance project is started in 1960 to replace the Saladin. A couple of designs were proposed by the Fighting Vehicles Research and Development Establishment (FVRDE), one tracked and another wheeled. The latter wheeled variant was to be available in turreted and turretless variants mounting either a 76mm gun, 105mm gun or anti tank missiles.
Unusually, the wheeled variant was designed to use skid steering.

Although not proposed as the AVR, a 20 tonne test vehicle called the TV1000 introduced a number of concepts that were to appear in the final design. The TV1000 was powered by a Rover Meteorite V8 petrol engine rated at 535 bhp. The skid steering system caused many problems, tire wear and poor stability at speed and poor turning performance on soft ground, the vehicle never progressed beyond being a test bed.

To me it seems the TV1000 was supposed to test things to see if it was possible, if so they would be included in the AVR program which was to mount the weapon systems.





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