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AMX 12t is an abysmal tank

amx 12t useless underpowered terrible awful unplayable

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bosqit #101 Posted 02 April 2013 - 09:02 PM

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What I need in that tank is only 6-12 shells more... how to troll with so few shells? :D

That's kinda decent tank, except shells ofc.

MORE SHELLS PLS!!

Edited by bosqit, 02 April 2013 - 09:03 PM.


Schnurx #102 Posted 03 April 2013 - 01:38 PM

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I didn't like it myself. Not my playstyle at all, although I am generally doing fine in lights, also in the AMX13-75 now and the T71.
Give it more mobility and it is Ok.

icyeagle92 #103 Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:00 PM

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10/10 would free exp this crap every time. Scout tank that is not mobile? FFS scouts are supposed to be mobile... and leave sniping for td's. 12t is just bunch of free exp for enemy.

Kastrull #104 Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:10 PM

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so dont snipe, there is more to the game than suecide rush and snipe

Kegeyn #105 Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:57 PM

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I am another person that had quite awesome time on it. Almost 140 games 58% wr and 1447 highest xp nonprem on it. I really enjoyed it, and it also taught me how to scout properly, flank properly and all that light stuff. I suppose someone that is experienced in these things would do much much better, and my stats are not bad still. Problem is always with a person, maybe those tanks dont suit your playstyle guys? Some people just dont enjoy playing such hybrid tanks, but as i said - for me it was a blast

daddlar #106 Posted 08 April 2013 - 11:49 AM

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I rebought this piece recently. It was awful when I "rage-sold". It still has an awfulness to it. So hard to succed and learn it.

But there are times when it works. Although I find very few.

- A pair of AMX 12t/similar tanks can ruin a whole team in tier 6-7 battles.

- Support-scouting. You're seldom the only "scout" in the team. Follow a stronger scout and stay hidden a bit back. When other scout dies you continue the task, hopefully still hidden.

- End game finisher. Do what-ever for 5 minutes or til half enemy team is gone, stay alive. Try to keep track of damaged enemy tanks last locations and HP-pool. Then run off, search, ambush and destroy. But you must mind the minimap alot. Plan approches so you don't meet a TD or heavy head-on.

- Distraction/finder. When you're up against enemys last tanks, something you cannot possibly hurt. Present yourself, be seen, get followed, get targeted, shot some shots and often your team will happily kill it for you.


And yesterday I met the butt of a 627 Hp Tiger 2. Pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, all hit, all penetrate, all damage, destroyed? NOPE. 10 HP left and one unhappy 12t-tanker, waiting for imminent destruction. I was in such a place I couldn't get out of sight fast. RNG won't always work in your favour. x)

Edited by daddlar, 08 April 2013 - 11:52 AM.


AtsuNii #107 Posted 16 April 2013 - 03:48 PM

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I kinda liked my AMX 12t. Had it before i came to the EU on the NA server en i now finished it on the EU server. I must say, the tank aint a scout, you are support. And the time that this tank shines is the end game. After a game of supporting in a tier 10 battle i managed to get up to 5 kills, with the only 2 tier 10's the enemy had. IS-7 got ganged up by me, another IS-7 and another tank i forgot. At the very end i went alone towards the enemy IS-4 and manage to finish him off since he underestimated me. It was the last game for me in my 12t so xD

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Znail #108 Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:14 AM

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I feel sorry for those that thinks AMX 12t sucks as they get to use the exact same gun for the next tank as well.

Schnurx #109 Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:37 PM

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Yeah, but that tank can actually move.... ;)
And it aims and reloads faster and has a better negative gun depression,  so strictly speaking it's not exactly the same gun. At least it doesn't feel and perform exactly the same.

Edited by Schnurx, 18 April 2013 - 02:39 PM.


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Simply the worst light tank in the game and absolute garbage! It's so underpowered it makes me sick.

Low ammo capacity, horrible acceleration, horrific turning speed, rear-mounted turret, low gun elevation, no armor and the gun is garbage - poor accuracy on the move, slow aiming time (what happened with that tier 6 90mm gun from ELC?), etc. Matchmaking for this thing is so horrible that I can't play more than just one game, without getting serious headache. Also you need 67 000 XP to get to tier 7 AMX 13 75, which isn't a good light tank either. It even has the same gun as 12t. Are you kidding me? Not only that it's the most expensive light tank research tree in the game, the tanks are not even worth it.

Seriously, show me a person who enjoys playing this crapmobile. I love my ELC and T-50, but not this garbage. Selling it ASAP.

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wellieman #111 Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:20 PM

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View PostZeroBot, on 18 April 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

Simply the worst light tank in the game and absolute garbage! It's so underpowered it makes me sick.

Low ammo capacity, horrible acceleration, horrific turning speed, rear-mounted turret, low gun elevation, no armor and the gun is garbage - poor accuracy on the move, slow aiming time (what happened with that tier 6 90mm gun from ELC?), etc. Matchmaking for this thing is so horrible that I can't play more than just one game, without getting serious headache. Also you need 67 000 XP to get to tier 7 AMX 13 75, which isn't a good light tank either. It even has the same gun as 12t. Are you kidding me? Not only that it's the most expensive light tank research tree in the game, the tanks are not even worth it.

Seriously, show me a person who enjoys playing this crapmobile. I love my ELC and T-50, but not this garbage. Selling it ASAP.

Ummm.... i actually quite enjoy it and I'm a person.

I just use it as a passive scout till there's gaps in the enemy teams line to wander thru. Seems your problem is that you expect it to be a ELC or T-50 when it simply can't, never use it for active scouting as it just turns too damn slow. And as for the tanks aren't even worth it for this line... how would you know seeming as you've never got past the 12t. I tried the 13 90 on a test server and my god it was a bundle of fun, 13 75 may be the same gun but it has plenty of traits which make up for that.

ZeroBot #112 Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:00 AM

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You tell me that the problem is in me and not in the tank, but as you can see, many people here are complaining about this tank, so it's no only me.

Wiki says that this tank isn't a scout, unlike ELC, so I'm not scouting with it, mainly because I don't have the sixth sense yet. With that rear mounted turret, slow aiming time and slow acceleration, you are supposed to be a flanker tank? They are kidding, right? Before can I get second shot the enemy's rear, I usually get seriously hurt or even killed, especially in tier 10 games.

I'm really trying too hard to work it out, so I can start to enjoy playing it, but this tank is just horrible and not fun to play. Maybe if it had the 90mm gun from ELC and no autoloader, then it would be a good tank and fun to play.

P.S. Also, I never manage to kill SPGs in this thing. They always manage to kill me first, because I can't dodge their fire or I get killed first by nearby enemies. In ELC, T-50, Covenanter, Crusader and Panzer 1C, I never had this problem so often.

ZeroBot #113 Posted 19 April 2013 - 02:21 AM

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Btw, you had only 59 battles in this tank and 141 in T-50. I played more than 50 battles in last two days. You probably play this tank only occasionally, so you don't realize how bad it is and how bad matchmaking it gets, especially if you are trying to play it as your primary tank.

I'm just about to sell this piece of crap.

Schnurx #114 Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:55 AM

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View PostZeroBot, on 18 April 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

Also you need 67 000 XP to get to tier 7 AMX 13 75, which isn't a good light tank either. It even has the same gun as 12t. Are you kidding me? Not only that it's the most expensive light tank research tree in the game, the tanks are not even worth it.

Well, I didn't like the 12t either, but the 13-75 is quite a good light tank. It performs very well in all roles and is fun to drive. It's true, there are only small changes, but these change the whole thing.
Especially the lower track resistance values, which makes it behave considerably more agile. Even with a slightly bit lower hp/weight ratio, it feels much better than the slugishy 12t.

_intoxicated_ #115 Posted 19 April 2013 - 09:41 AM

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If you can't understand the playstyle of the 12t then I would advise you don't go any higher in that tree. It is a tank that requires patience and good placement, so good knowledge of maps and an understanding of enemy locations.

Then you can swoop and annihilate enemies while they're distracted.

I've been through the 12t, 13.75 and I'm currently on the 13.90 and still playing the 12t for the arty too :)

ZeroBot #116 Posted 19 April 2013 - 04:39 PM

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I have managed to get 37K XP in this thing, so I'll try to get another 30K and jump to AMX 13 75. Hopefully, it will be much better than 12t. I'm definitely not going to grind down to the SPG with this thing, that would be just so much painful.

Thanks for all the previous suggestions and tips, I appreciate it.

Cheers.

ZeroBot #117 Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:11 AM

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Just got the AMX 13 75 and I can't be disappointed more. It's just the same tank as 12t, with the horrible gun elevation, turning speed, acceleration a low ammo capacity.

The fact that the stock gun is tier 5, and the top gun it tier 6 on tier 7 tank, makes it look like a joke. Did I just spent 67 000XP on something that I already had?

I can't even use the top gun until I upgrade the suspension, so I have to play with tier 5 gun in tier 10 matches. What a joke.

P.S. Can someone tell me why is so expensive to research these french light tanks? Seriously, the Tiger costs you only 27K XP, so why does a tier 7 light tank cost 67K XP? It doesn't make any sense.

Edit: You need only 43 000XP to research WZ-131 (tier 7) and it has much better 100mm gun (i.e. 250 alpha, 181 penetration)  than this turd.

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wellieman #119 Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:19 PM

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View PostZeroBot, on 19 April 2013 - 02:21 AM, said:

Btw, you had only 59 battles in this tank and 141 in T-50. I played more than 50 battles in last two days. You probably play this tank only occasionally, so you don't realize how bad it is and how bad matchmaking it gets, especially if you are trying to play it as your primary tank.

I'm just about to sell this piece of crap.

And... yeah I only play it occasionally and I loved my T-50, but they are totally different tanks and have totally different playstyles. And I know full well the mm it gets, it's regularly up against t9s and 8s and if anything i prefer it when I'm up against these high tiers as stupid as that sounds. It makes me be more patient and pick my opportunities, as I said... I use it as a passive scout and then use it as a flanker late on in games. Look, I don't love the tank but I certainly enjoy it. Yes it is a challenge to drive because it does have many limitations. Some tanks just don;t fit with certain people (e.g. I don't particularly enjoy my KV1 but most people love it) imo it seems much more likely that you won't enjoy the rest of the french line.

Take a look at this, it was one of my better games with it.
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StormimOn #120 Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:57 PM

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I have started to play with it today. I was a little nervous but it's not too bad for now.
33 battles so far, so I can't really judge it objectively, but I like it. Already done 20k XP toward 13 75 with almost 1000 average damage. But with only 33 battles it's too soon for a definitive opinion.

Start of battle, depending of the enemy team, I play as arty body guard (I try at least) or spotter. Just be patient, spot, don't shoot so you're not spotted and get XP from damage upon detection. The only problem is, I'm not always patient enough :happy:

I really loved ELC, with is unique playstyle. 12t is a little different but you have a turret. More shells would be welcome though ^^





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