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AMX 12t is an abysmal tank

amx 12t useless underpowered terrible awful unplayable

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orejaempezar #81 Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:44 PM

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AMX 12t and all the following are trolling tanks. They are not good doing anything serious, but they are wonderful for trolling. Know hot to autoloadtroll and you´ll be fine. The trolling capabilites goes as it follows:

AMX12t: lolololol
AMX13-75: Trolololololololol!!!!!
AMX13-90: ZOMFGTROLOLOLOLOL I KILLED U IN 1 CLIP TROLOLOLOLOL

Edited by orejaempezar, 21 January 2013 - 12:47 PM.


Bligger #82 Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:40 PM

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As tier 5 this tank was kinda meh, i had 95 matches with it and 500 exp average with something like 45 % win/loss.

I bought it again to get some training for the batchat i have in my garage.

As tier 6 i like that tank.
236 matches and i could raise my w/l-ratio to 56% and 750 avg. exp.

Just got this one:

Sieg!
Gefecht: Fischerbucht Montag, 21. Januar 2013 14:17:37
Fahrzeug: AMX 12t
Erfahrung: 4.554 (Der erste Sieg des Tages zählt 2-fach)
Kreditpunkte: 47.376

All in all a good tank. Definetly a tank that has everything to change the outcome of a match. I can recommend it.

BTW: i never platoon with that one, nor do i play TC with it (beside the fact that i did less than 10 TC-battles in total).

m4gor #83 Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:19 PM

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i dont know why, but this tank is working well for me, i have like 61,5 proc winrate out of 250 battles with this thing (grinding 13 75 and arty) .. i feel so weak when i am driving this that i think twice before going in :-D .. also no platoon at all

Tiger_Buster #84 Posted 23 January 2013 - 03:29 AM

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The op doesnt know what its talking about.  12t is  fine.   You just need to know how play the french autoloaders.  They have a  way of playing it diferently then the  usual classic role tanks.  12t, 13 75 and 13 90  are  amoung of my favorite tanks, they are   great ambushers  and flankers.
   I think this   kinda of tanks ,  takes  some skill to use it  as like  most french tanks  imo.

Edited by Tiger_Buster, 23 January 2013 - 03:31 AM.


Krizmuz #85 Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:08 AM

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Had a real good time in this one although haunted by epic fail teams. (Hope to leave them behind.) However this tank is not half as bad as its reputation, really. The most important thing is to know what can you do in this tank and what you better let be.  Also this tank seems to be made for ninja caps on dragon ridge or ensk eg. .

here my stats after unlocking 13 75
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AND FFS HOW MANY "AMX SCOUT" MUST ONE ENDURE? I am slower than 70% of the medium tanks

Judqment8 #86 Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:08 PM

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View PostWootanklan, on 25 January 2013 - 03:08 AM, said:

AND FFS HOW MANY "AMX SCOUT" MUST ONE ENDURE? I am slower than 70% of the medium tanks

Way too many. Seriously some people should be banned from the in-game chat.

Krizmuz #87 Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:50 PM

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Learn from mighty Judqment8
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=XHORAu61apg
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Boomstick1 #88 Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:07 PM

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This forum makes me despair for this game and humanity in general, how can you be so retarded? Look, it isn't me, I know how to flank or be unpredictable, it's just that the damage you can do in the 13 75 is completely not worth your time trying to do so.

Anyway these tanks are completely fucking useless now that the new US light tanks have come out, the T71 does the job of the AMX 13 75, or rather the job it should have done but better in every way. It's fast and decently agile, has a worthwhile amount of damage, has the standard 175mm penetration for it's tier, it has some gun depression, it has a good amount of ammo... It's just better in every way. I want to take the time I wasted on these French lights and exchange them for the new US ones. Sigh, they'll probably get nerfed before I can even unlock them now.

Mroczny_Zniwiarz #89 Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:25 PM

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Just got mine today, and I did not have any problems driving on stock equipment  :Smile_glasses:  (pens tier 7's with stock gun)

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Hi
What do you say about equipment ? Is EGLD, Vents and optics/wet ammo rack/ toolbox good ?

Judqment8 #91 Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:39 PM

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View PostWootanklan, on 31 January 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

Learn from mighty Judqment8
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=XHORAu61apg
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Wooow, I feel so famous now! >_> I love this tank :3

joyuesp #92 Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:08 PM

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View PostBoomstick1, on 15 November 2012 - 12:50 AM, said:

And it needs to be deleted from the game. Yeah the early French tanks like the D1 and B1 suck utter dick, but at least they won't take long to grind through or can easily be free xp-ed past. The 12t is a tier six tank that has the performance of a tier four tank or worse.

Ok, so the bad points about the tank. It's acceleration and agility are truly awful for a light tank, just terrible. It's decently fast in a straight line if you have a downhill slope or time to build up speed, but stop to fire or take cover and you're boned. It's barely faster than an IS-7 or IS-8 going uphill. It's too slow and sluggish at turning to really flank anything, I even had trouble staying behind the gun of a KV-4 at close range. Awful.

The gun depression is terrible, it has no way to take advantage of the new physics as it can't shoot at stuff below it except by wobbling right on the edge of a cliff and being an easy target for anyone.

It has no armour or hit-points to speak of, and combined with the terrible agility it has no defence except being too pathetic to occasion bothering to shoot at it. The gun accuracy and penetration are truly awful, you have to sit still for ages to actually aim and hit anything and you will get a lot of bounces the hits you do get. You can't fire on the move and hit anything.

The damage output of the gun and clip are mediocre at best, you get six shots for around 100 damage each. Assuming a couple of misses or bounces, and you're very little threat to anyone.

But the absolute worst thing about this tank is the tiering it gets. It's sort of ok in same-tier matches, you can get a nice position and put 3-400 damage into the side of a clueless VK3601H or something and be somewhat useful to the team. But most of it's matches, like at least three quarters or more, it gets put into these ridiculous tier nine or ten battles.

Now you have to understand, it's a completely terrible scout in every respect. It is not a Chaffee or a T-50-2, it has absolutely no place in maximum tier matches. Your view range is bad, all of the mediums you are facing are faster than you. If you go up front to try and be a good little scout, you will get crushed as any tank in the match can one or two-shot you, or just squish you under their tracks like the little bug you are, and you have very little ability to gtfo. If you hang back and try and snipe, well good luck with that, bounce after bounce and then an arty shell on your head. The best you can hope for is being able to put a few shots into the rear or side of a distracted heavy, maybe get through to the enemy arty, but every tank in the match is better placed to do those things than you.

It's just pure crap that WG put in such a shit tank after the fun of the AMX ELC. Sure it has some problems, but it's a zippy, fast little tank with a cool gun and a fun, idiosyncratic playstyle. It's particularly good in a platoon, as 600 instant maneuverable and flankable damage is very handy. Then you get to the 12t and it's utter dogshit, and apparently the 13 75 isn't much better, which I can imagine, seeing as it keeps the same weak gun and low mobility.

I wanted to play this tree to get the 13 90 or Batchat, as they look like fun in replays that i've seen, but this tank just makes me want to quit the game entirely. It's time that WG fixed this game, and improved the tank trees enough so that these useless tanks are playable, or they are not included. I don't mean every tank has to be brilliant, but they at least need to have some role and be playable in the battles they get put into. The AMX 12t has no role and is for all intents and purposes unplayable, and I hate it to death. I'm sick of grinding through useless horrible tanks just to get to the decent and good ones.
sorry but you choose the wrong line to grind,
ALL french tanks(Except tds) have no armor
ALL french tanks with autoloader have crappy turret movement(up/down)
ALL french tanks will die fast if you let them hit you(from any angle)
with ALL 6 hits i could kill a t6 alone(810 average damage of the 6 shots + the possible fire since you should be flanking and shooting to his engine)

AND i elited the 12t(unlocking the arti) so is perfectly possible reach the enemy arti in high tier battles and kill at least 1 t8.

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I cannot agree with this, I have M on my 12t and 300 odd matches, they have mostly been a lot of fun, you just need to play this tank.

Harland #94 Posted 16 February 2013 - 10:33 PM

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Got the 12t yesterday. I free xp-ed the gun (it's only 5000-something xp, so no problem), but other than that I started stock. And I actually didn't find it too bad, in fact I enjoyed playing it and now, almost fully upgraded, it is even better. Now, I'm still learning this tank and I am actually not really good with it yet, but still I just enjoy playing it.

But, even though I am pleasently suprised of this tank, it has some serious issues. Especially the gun depression/elevation, or should I say lack of it, drives me crazy. I am somewhat spoiled in that area, because I often play American tanks, but even a KV-2 has superior gun depression (which I already thought of as abysmal). You just have to drive over a little bump or up or down even the tiniest slope and you can't keep your gun on your target anymore. This means you pretty much always have to expose your fragile tank, if you want to get some shots of. This means the risk of getting shot is pretty high and considering the matchmaking it gets, one or two shots are often enough to finish you off. As a consequence I play very cautious and feel pretty much useless in the first half of the battle with occasionally getting of some pot shots or doing a little sniping at exposed enemy flanks. But the fun starts in the second half of the battle when you can pick off damaged or busy enemy tanks and do more bold flanking maneuvers, because you now know where most enemies are.

So yeah, I think speed and agility of the 12t are fine, even penetration is ok. But why give it such a bad gun depression/elevation? This tank needs to avoid getting shot, good, or even mediocre, gun depression helps a lot in that regard.

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View PostHarland, on 16 February 2013 - 10:33 PM, said:

But, even though I am pleasently suprised of this tank, it has some serious issues. Especially the gun depression/elevation, or should I say lack of it, drives me crazy. I am somewhat spoiled in that area, because I often play American tanks, but even a KV-2 has superior gun depression (which I already thought of as abysmal). You just have to drive over a little bump or up or down even the tiniest slope and you can't keep your gun on your target anymore. This means you pretty much always have to expose your fragile tank, if you want to get some shots of. This means the risk of getting shot is pretty high and considering the matchmaking it gets, one or two shots are often enough to finish you off. As a consequence I play very cautious and feel pretty much useless in the first half of the battle with occasionally getting of some pot shots or doing a little sniping at exposed enemy flanks. But the fun starts in the second half of the battle when you can pick off damaged or busy enemy tanks and do more bold flanking maneuvers, because you now know where most enemies are.

So yeah, I think speed and agility of the 12t are fine, even penetration is ok. But why give it such a bad gun depression/elevation? This tank needs to avoid getting shot, good, or even mediocre, gun depression helps a lot in that regard.

Well said and I agree that the gun depression and elevation are pretty horrible. It takes its own time to get used to that. You must find good sniping spots with easy way to get into cover. And while flanking the enemies you must always use the "flattest" way to the enemy to ensure your gun depression is enough. But at least AMX 12t's gun depression is not the worst in the game... Uralmash only has -2 degrees  :Smile-hiding:

Also the amount of ammunition limits your damage dealing. Take only sure shots and do NOT shoot on the move, only on very rare occasions. Because in this tank EVERY shell counts.

Ludi_Konj #96 Posted 03 March 2013 - 09:53 AM

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Well it is the light tank after all, it's not really supposed to penetrate high tier tanks frontally... It is agile enough to circle any heavy, it can penetrate almost any tank in the game from behind (even e100).
When playing it you need to be patient, this is not a scout. It can do the job of a passive scout but you should have Cammo net and Binos for that role. Never rush into the opponent base at the start of the game, it's a suicide even with more agile tanks. There are some maps where you can't do much at the start of the game, in that case wait, protect your arties if the enemy have any scouts, even in those games you can help your team a lot as the end of the battle comes near.
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I like my 12t, and I dissagree with your opinion, its a great tank like any other when played prorperly

Kastrull #98 Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:23 AM

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My experience with tanks is great, 62,9% win rate in 54 battles, (just sold it tho, going with 13 75 now)
Imo its one of the most balanced tanks for its tier, it is an intelligent tank tho. you need to play it smart and thats what I realy like with it. Also I prefer the T8 games over the T6 games. In tier 6 everthing can still wound you badly and everything shots faster (more or less) while in tier 8 this tank can cause some serious chaos.

Im not using cammo net binos , or camo for skill.
skill I went for all things that helps me aim on the move since I never ever want to stand still in this tank (Im always presuming I play T8 tho, in T6 I tend to snipe more).

So what I want to say OP , you dead wrong here

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I think it's OK personally, it is a bit slow and the MM should be changed so it's not classed as a scout but it's not crap. Maybe I'd just gotten used to the T69 before so was used to playing a sluggish flanker/finisher type tank. It does mean you need a half-decent team though, if you're on a crap team then there's very little you can do to influence the battle.

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Increase the engine power and its fixed. 290-340 as the last third engine whould fix this tank. and the ones above it aswell.
Or change the matchmaker to the same type the ELC has. more like a medium.





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