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Judqment8 #1 Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:04 AM

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Since we now have the T71 which is better than AMX 13 75 in every possible way.

T71:
+ Better speed limit
+ Better specific power
+ BETTER traverse speed
+ Better damage
+ Better penetration
+ BETTER ammo capacity
+ Better turret traverse
+ Better view range
+ VERTICAL STABILIZER
+ Better gun depression

AMX 13 75:
+ A little bit better RoF
+ 60 HP more

So for f***'s sake can you please start buffing the french lights in the next patch? How about doing the tech tree change and add the AMX 105 to tier 8 and buffing the others?

EDIT: Stop negging me. It's a fact.

Edited by Judqment8, 24 November 2012 - 09:39 AM.


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AMX13 105 has a 105 howitzer I think and not a L7 derivative. Well it would be buff if you would roll with heat, but otherwise...
I think that the US t7 light has worse cammo. About gun depression - its US.

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Na the AMX 13 105 does not have a howitzer. It will most likely be the Tier 10 tank as the SK105 version in the EU Tech Tree.

Anyways, isn't the T71 a lot larger ? Also it's a medium tank afaik, so it will have a whole lot less camo.

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View PostCorvi, on 24 November 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

Anyways, isn't the T71 a lot larger ? Also it's a medium tank afaik, so it will have a whole lot less camo.

Not really. And it's a light tank just like AMX.

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View PostCorvi, on 24 November 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

Na the AMX 13 105 does not have a howitzer. It will most likely be the Tier 10 tank as the SK105 version in the EU Tech Tree.

Anyways, isn't the T71 a lot larger ? Also it's a medium tank afaik, so it will have a whole lot less camo.


The AMX 13 105 did shoot HÈ exclusivly, you can't shoot high velocity ammuniton of that caliber in that tank. You would blow the turret off.

On-topic: the AMX is still usefull, that T71 is just fugly :p

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View PostCorvi, on 24 November 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

Anyways, isn't the T71 a lot larger ? Also it's a medium tank afaik, so it will have a whole lot less camo.

Yes, it's somewhat larger, which I would list as the main disadvantage. However, it's a light tank with (seemingly) great camo.

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View PostGIAMarcos, on 24 November 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

that T71 is just fugly :p

>_> Yes. Fugly as hell.

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View PostGIAMarcos, on 24 November 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:




The AMX 13 105 did shoot HÈ exclusivly, you can't shoot high velocity ammuniton of that caliber in that tank. You would blow the turret off.

Where do you have that junk from ? That's complete nonsense.

It was shooting the OCC-105-F1 rounds as default which where HEAT AP Rounds with around 370 mm pen or the OFL-105-G1 ACRR shells with around 525mm of armor penetration capability. The OE-105-F1 HE shells where exclusively used against soft targets like trucks or infantry. The AMX is I'm fact a tank destroyer in real, so why should it shoot HE only ?


Also, my bad, T71 really is a light tank :/

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View PostCorvi, on 24 November 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

Where do you have that junk from ? That's complete nonsense.

It was shooting the OCC-105-F1 rounds as default which where HEAT AP Rounds with around 370 mm pen or the OFL-105-G1 ACRR shells with around 525mm of armor penetration capability. The OE-105-F1 HE shells where exclusively used against soft targets like trucks or infantry. The AMX is I'm fact a tank destroyer in real, so why should it shoot HE only ?


Also, my bad, T71 really is a light tank :/

The AMX 13 was used as a scout vehicle not as a TD. The Dutch army used it as a replacement for the M24 chaffee. Due to the small size it was only able to shoot low velocity rounds. HEAT is also low velocity IIRC so shooting HE, HEAT and HESH were the only options I guess.

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View PostJudqment8, on 24 November 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

Since we now have the T71 which is better than AMX 13 75 in every possible way.

T71:
+ Better speed limit
+ Better specific power
+ BETTER traverse speed
+ Better damage
+ Better penetration
+ BETTER ammo capacity
+ Better turret traverse
+ Better view range
+ VERTICAL STABILIZER
+ Better gun depression

AMX 13 75:
+ A little bit better RoF
+ 60 HP more

So for f***'s sake can you please start buffing the french lights in the next patch? How about doing the tech tree change and add the AMX 105 to tier 8 and buffing the others?

EDIT: Stop negging me. It's a fact.

what are you moaning about...you have a little competition now for a change....

start moaning when you grind for ages too a tier ten, then that gets nerfed!! then you can moan...

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Guys do you have any pictures of AMX 13/105? :-) So it used M57 gun?

Judqment8 #12 Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:23 AM

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View Postdodgerman20001, on 24 November 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

what are you moaning about...you have a little competition now for a change....

start moaning when you grind for ages too a tier ten, then that gets nerfed!! then you can moan...

Why? I'm not moaning about a nerf. Just saying that AMX 13 75 is useless with that ugly T71 around. Besides Tier 10 vehicles suck and are boring... I have no need for them ATM.

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View PostGIAMarcos, on 24 November 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

The AMX 13 was used as a scout vehicle not as a TD. The Dutch army used it as a replacement for the M24 chaffee. Due to the small size it was only able to shoot low velocity rounds. HEAT is also low velocity IIRC so shooting HE, HEAT and HESH were the only options I guess.

I was gunner on an SK105 (respectively FL-12/44 turret and CN105 gun we already have in game on Saurer chassis) for nearly a year before switching to the Leopard, i know what that tank shoots ;) Believe me, HE was pretty much NEVER shot. It wasn't even loaded into the drums. HE was hand-fed into the breach when required, standard was 12x OCC-105-F1 HEAT shells. Also the APCR where hand fed or pre-loaded as the first shot when situation deemed in necessary. HE was ONLY shot at soft targets over 1000m since the tanks position would be too easy to locate if closer. Soft targets below 400m where only engaged with the coax-7,62mm. Between that soft targets weren't even engaged, that was left to other units then. Actually (at least we did so) it only carrier 2 HE shells in the entire loadout. HESH didnt even exist for that tank.

HEAT and HE both had pretty much the same muzzle velocity of about 800m/s, APCR was at around 1400m/s, but that shell was slightly heavier too becasue of more propellant and less actual warhead.

Oh and, the AMX 105 is THE classic dedicated tank hunter aka Tank Destroyer. It was very small tank with a big gun, glass cannon so to say. You know, in real life you dont scoot around the battlefield looking for enemy tanks. Just because it replaced the M24 it doesn't mean it took the same role on the battlefield. The M24 was a light infantry support tank, which by the time it got replaced was a role that wasn't required anymore since the MBT's would take that role, leaving the AMX 105 series as dedicated tank destroyers.

The AMX series are tank hunters, live with it. Thats what they where built for. Just because some people abuse it as a scout in the game it doesn't make it that in real. Also, in game AMX 105 will see the light as the SK105 in the EU tree, which already was confirmed in a sneaky way. It cant be anything below T10, since its faster, smaller, more agile and packs the same gun as the Batchat ;)

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View PostJudqment8, on 24 November 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

Why? I'm not moaning about a nerf. Just saying that AMX 13 75 is useless with that ugly T71 around. Besides Tier 10 vehicles suck and are boring... I have no need for them ATM.

how can you say tier 10 suck when you are only on tier 8!!

no tank is useless in the hands of a good player!!!

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View PostAkkudakku, on 24 November 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

Guys do you have any pictures of AMX 13/105? :-) So it used M57 gun?

There you go. It used the CN105, same gun the batchat has.

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Tho we will most possibly get this in WoT. SK105.

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View Postdodgerman20001, on 24 November 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

what are you moaning about...you have a little competition now for a change....

start moaning when you grind for ages too a tier ten, then that gets nerfed!! then you can moan...

So it's not ok to point out, that a new tank for the exact same role is better than its predecessor in every possible way? It's a balance issue this one, nothing to do with preference.

If you think the T71 is OP, you go buy a T71. If you think the AMX 13 75 is UP, you go buy a T71 (or AMX 13 90). It's just an odd way to balance things.

The underlying problem is, that the AMX 13 75 is a perpetual underperformer. The new tank proves that WG probably agrees (cause they made it better).

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View PostCorvi, on 24 November 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

There you go. It used the CN105, same gun the batchat has.

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Tho we will most possibly get this in WoT. SK105.

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Austrian version? :D
Well there is no kill like overkill. (Btw a single AMX 13 90 could kill 12 Tiger2 from a range of over 1km with HEAT from both mags (because they have 2 freaking mags) :D but thats IRL...)

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You are comparing a tank that is on the TEST server, correct if if I'm wrong here, but most tanks on the test server hardly ever end up the same once the update is released....

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View PostAkkudakku, on 24 November 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:

Austrian version? :D
Well there is no kill like overkill. (Btw a single AMX 13 90 could kill 12 Tiger2 from a range of over 1km with HEAT from both mags (because they have 2 freaking mags) :D but thats IRL...)

Exactly :) Some dev hinted in a video that EU Tree high tiers will be made up from austrian and swedish tanks, and since austria didnt had any tank besides the SK105 it is very certian that we get the good ol Kürassier :) Gonna love that, banged my head in that tiny turret so many times ;)

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View PostCorvi, on 24 November 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

Exactly :) Some dev hinted in a video that EU Tree high tiers will be made up from austrian and swedish tanks, and since austria didnt had any tank besides the SK105 it is very certian that we get the good ol Kürassier :) Gonna love that, banged my head in that tiny turret so many times ;)
Good for you. All I could have got in Poland would be plain old infantry (or something other mundane :D). But the times of involountary service ended and well...




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