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nafnist #1 Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:41 PM

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This is the WZ-120 (also known as the Type 59)

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Unlike the Premium Type 59 at tier VIII, the WZ-120 is a tier IX medium tank with a tier X gun.

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First Impressions!
Gun depression is very bad, and mobility is not as good as with T-54, but the gun is comparable with Heavy Tank guns.

Kazomir #2 Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:57 PM

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Slower than T-54, but with a better gun.

Fair tradeoff.

punishersal #3 Posted 25 November 2012 - 01:26 AM

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If I remember correctly, 100mm gun shell cost 252 creds which is pretty cheap for such gun.

Pr0_E #4 Posted 25 November 2012 - 02:28 AM

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Made 5300 dmg and 2085xp on my first battle being the only tier 9 in the match. I have to say that it's an epic machine in it's current state. That gun with that mobile platform is just incredible when flanking, or it penetrates almost anything frontally if needed. The only downside really is the lack of gun depression, but it's just a question of positioning yourself right.

crux_tm #5 Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:49 AM

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Its not bad, but for me its a worse T-54 and I don't see why I should chose the WZ

View PostKazomir, on 24 November 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Slower than T-54, but with a better gun.

Fair tradeoff.

You are kidding, right?

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Because of the 0.01 better accuracy and 4mm avg. less penetration you are calling the "62-100T" a better gun compared to the "D54"?
I think you are taking the weight into consideration. 2,56 kg vs. 2557 kg.

:Smile_veryhappy:

And whoever takes the 60-122t on the T9 is IMHO a m**on. Yeah, it has better penetration, alpha and accuracy, but no DPM and horrible aiming time.

Edited by crux2005, 25 November 2012 - 04:53 AM.


nafnist #6 Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:50 AM

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I'm sure the 122t gun setup will work for alot of people. It will depend on style.
For my style I am convinced my T-54 with D-10 is still the best.

Kazomir #7 Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:32 AM

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View Postcrux2005, on 25 November 2012 - 04:49 AM, said:

Its not bad, but for me its a worse T-54 and I don't see why I should chose the WZ



You are kidding, right?

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Because of the 0.01 better accuracy and 4mm avg. less penetration you are calling the "62-100T" a better gun compared to the "D54"?
I think you are taking the weight into consideration. 2,56 kg vs. 2557 kg.

:Smile_veryhappy:

And whoever takes the 60-122t on the T9 is IMHO a m**on. Yeah, it has better penetration, alpha and accuracy, but no DPM and horrible aiming time.

Oy mate, i like my penetration.

Fediuld #8 Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:36 AM

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The 62-100T compared to 60-122T changes the role to the tank imho. Both seem good guns.

The 100 is for chasing medium French tanks and lower tiers. While the 122 is for general purpose usage, patching up holes in the team, and killing couple of T10 heavies/TD at the end to win the battle.
Adding the usual mobility of a small medium tank, is a mobile TD, with the perks of a medium tank.

crux_tm #9 Posted 25 November 2012 - 03:45 PM

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View Postnafnist, on 25 November 2012 - 05:50 AM, said:

I'm sure the 122t gun setup will work for alot of people. It will depend on style.
For my style I am convinced my T-54 with D-10 is still the best.

Like D25T on T-44, LOL


View PostKazomir, on 25 November 2012 - 09:32 AM, said:

Oy mate, i like my penetration.

Me 2, but thats not the topic. :P


View PostFediuld, on 25 November 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

The 62-100T compared to 60-122T changes the role to the tank imho. Both seem good guns.

The 100 is for chasing medium French tanks and lower tiers. While the 122 is for general purpose usage, patching up holes in the team, and killing couple of T10 heavies/TD at the end to win the battle.
Adding the usual mobility of a small medium tank, is a mobile TD, with the perks of a medium tank.

Only if I knew, I can do max. 1-2 shots and then I die I would take the 60-122T crap gun on WZ-120.

Edited by crux2005, 25 November 2012 - 03:46 PM.


Fediuld #10 Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:32 PM

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Look. ROF is never always true when comes to true game. That 4.55 of the 62-122T is roughly 12 seconds reload, while the 60-100T is 7.5 seconds reload.


If your style is to show yourself, shoot and reload, the 62-122T is what you need. If you want to grab a tank and just see what takes to kill you, then the 60-100T is what you need.

But my thoughts and experience are that the 10.5/L52 (KwK 45) from the E50 has 6 rpm ( bit less than 10 seconds reload with modules), is good enough to kick the crap out of everything, especially holding on your own against 4-5 heavies behind few bushes and ground. But you have  good armour, tough tank and a weight to bully even heavies.

On the other hand the 105 T5E1M2 from Patton, 6.45 rpm - bit less than 9 seconds reload, you can't hold on your own like an E50. You always have to break through, surround, and be on the move.


Similar guns, different roles because in reality comes down to the tank.
If the tank WZ120, can sustain heavy fire, then the 62-122T is going to be more than good. If it can't sustain heavy fire then 60-100T is the only way.

Edited by Fediuld, 25 November 2012 - 08:00 PM.


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View Postcrux2005, on 25 November 2012 - 04:49 AM, said:

And whoever takes the 60-122t on the T9 is IMHO a m**on. Yeah, it has better penetration, alpha and accuracy, but no DPM and horrible aiming time.
So if someone else does know how to make use of penetration and alpha damage they're morons? Interesting.

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View PostLegault, on 25 November 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

So if someone else does know how to make use of penetration and alpha damage they're morons? Interesting.

No. You are putting word into my mouth i haven't sad. The combination of the gun + medium is stupid.
If you want alpha and penetration, play TDs or HTs, not MTs.

Legault #13 Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:19 AM

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View Postcrux2005, on 25 November 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

No. You are putting word into my mouth i haven't sad. The combination of the gun + medium is stupid.
If you want alpha and penetration, play TDs or HTs, not MTs.
How is it stupid to put something with higher alpha than a lot of other tanks on a fast moving vehicle? There's a lot of scenario's where you will only get to shoot once. And well... it's a medium. It can seek those out.


And just because it's not as effective as other mediums at other things like brawls doesn't mean it's bad at it. It's DPM isn't terrible and it can sidehug the same way a T-62A can. It's got enough options just looking at the stats,

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View Postcrux2005, on 25 November 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

No. You are putting word into my mouth i haven't sad. The combination of the gun + medium is stupid.
If you want alpha and penetration, play TDs or HTs, not MTs.
MT or TD just a word people calling it.

i play t49 for scout, t-50-2 was a MT, elc amx as TD.

i am not going to unlock chinese tech tree, cus happy with my is8 and 3 skills crew.

tacomaco #15 Posted 26 November 2012 - 12:32 PM

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View PostKazomir, on 24 November 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Slower than T-54, but with a better gun.

Fair tradeoff.

The gun is better when it comes to pen and damage but the accuracy is bad. But this is not the problem.

The gun depression is horrible, 3 degree. On uneven terrain(no talking about hull down positions), you have to completely expose your tank. If the tank is lean back a bit you can't shoot the tank in front of you. I took this tank and the tier 10 med on Prokhorovka, Murovanka on test and you always have to be on top of a hill or bump to shoot. Maybe it works on towns but on open terain it's bad. Also the brawler med concept doesn't sound right to me.

Also is not as manouvrable as a T-54. Maybe a stock T-54

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View PostLegault, on 26 November 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

How is it stupid to put something with higher alpha than a lot of other tanks on a fast moving vehicle? There's a lot of scenario's where you will only get to shoot once. And well... it's a medium. It can seek those out.


And just because it's not as effective as other mediums at other things like brawls doesn't mean it's bad at it. It's DPM isn't terrible and it can sidehug the same way a T-62A can. It's got enough options just looking at the stats,

It is stupid, because the DPM with the 60-122T gun is terrible (only 2k DPM). Doesn't matter you have more alpha and penetration. The cons are bigger. T7 MTs have similar or better DPM.
But I see, you don't want to understand the fact, that its a bad decision or you are trolling. Whatever, play the WZ with the 122...

Edited by crux2005, 26 November 2012 - 06:26 PM.


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View Postcrux2005, on 26 November 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

It is stupid, because the DPM with the 60-122T gun is terrible (only 2k DPM). Doesn't matter you have more alpha and penetration. The cons are bigger. T7 MTs have similar or better DPM.
But I see, you don't want to understand the fact, that its a bad decision or you are trolling. Whatever, play the WZ with the 122...
If the RoF needs to be tweaked then they will do so... it doesn't mean the concept of the tank is flawed.

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View Postcrux2005, on 26 November 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

It is stupid, because the DPM with the 60-122T gun is terrible (only 2k DPM). Doesn't matter you have more alpha and penetration. The cons are bigger. T7 MTs have similar or better DPM.
But I see, you don't want to understand the fact, that its a bad decision or you are trolling. Whatever, play the WZ with the 122...
hit-and-run, no problem at all. most player realise u are there after they get shot. same way i use elc amx.

XxXSpottedYouXxX #19 Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:31 PM

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No gun depression and a bad gun ...

Oh my god lol.

PaddyOricK #20 Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:57 AM

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This tank is absolutely NOT impressive and needs to rebalanced or even redone.