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What equipment do you use on the 121?

  1. Enhanced Gun Laying Driver (146 votes [11.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.10%

  2. Vertical Stabilizer Mk 1 (348 votes [26.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.46%

  3. Coated Optics (89 votes [6.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.77%

  4. Fill Tanks with CO2 (6 votes [0.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.46%

  5. Medium-Caliber Tank Gun Rammer (378 votes [28.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.75%

  6. "Wet" Ammo Rack Class 1 (12 votes [0.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.91%

  7. Improved Ventilation Class 2 (270 votes [20.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.53%

  8. Medium Spall Liner (18 votes [1.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.37%

  9. Enhanced Torsion Bars 3 t Class (7 votes [0.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.53%

  10. Toolbox (9 votes [0.68%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.68%

  11. Binocular Telescope (15 votes [1.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.14%

  12. Camouflage Net (17 votes [1.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.29%

What consumables do you use on the 121?

  1. Large Repair Kit (82 votes [6.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.33%

  2. Large First Aid Kit (64 votes [4.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.94%

  3. Extra Combat Rations (40 votes [3.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.09%

  4. Automatic Fire Extinguishers (183 votes [14.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.13%

  5. Quality Oil (21 votes [1.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.62%

  6. Small Repair Kit (352 votes [27.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.18%

  7. Small First Aid Kit (340 votes [26.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.25%

  8. Removed Speed Governor (22 votes [1.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.70%

  9. Manual Fire Extinguisher (191 votes [14.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.75%

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lnfernaI #321 Posted 18 December 2017 - 10:11 PM

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View PostThrael7, on 19 September 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

I was bored (I guess) and so I decided to revive this thread. I tend to visit the chinese mediums section a few times a year and express my disappointment.

My first tier10 and after 3 buffs throughout these years it became more decent than ever. BUT... I'm glad I had been playing the Pershing before summer 'cause that means I 'm close to the overbuffed Pattons. I already have the Amx30prot since it came out. It all leads to the same question again and again...Why bother with 121? :trollface:

There are several aspects in which 121 performs better than most other TX MTs. But you'll not find them out is what im guessing.

 

Regardless,took my 121 for a spin on the Mines Standard yesterday. South spawn. Paired up nicely with one of those new Chinese LTs (was a player from FAME - all the more trustworthy). Went to C7 bush,unleashed dragon's fire upon heavies that pushed hill. Feel bad for their VK 4502B who was a decent player. Poor guy tried to soak shots with his front(i.e. my teammates) but instead started taking shots in sides from me. He was helpless in that situation.

 

In the end,made >5000 dmg. Not like much,but still,a decent warmup,if you would.

 

I love this tank. I never let it go.



HunterXHunter8 #322 Posted 27 December 2017 - 11:39 PM

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121 is about to be outclasses next patch. 

Gardar7 #323 Posted 01 January 2018 - 01:11 PM

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View PostHunterXHunter8, on 27 December 2017 - 08:39 PM, said:

121 is about to be outclasses next patch. 

 

Excuse me? I'm afraid that I don't really understand your reply to the topic.

Thrael7 #324 Posted 03 January 2018 - 12:44 AM

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View PostlnfernaI, on 18 December 2017 - 11:11 PM, said:

There are several aspects in which 121 performs better than most other TX MTs. But you'll not find them out is what im guessing.

Certainly not since I 've played a handful of battles after the Rampage days. It 'd be a great T9 heavy. The bad thing is that it's a T10 med.

WZ120 had always been more fun tier for tier. WG never gave two shits about that though. I played 121 when it was mediocre. The only

things that changed for the better were the cupolas and gun handling. Beside the overmatch potential you get a lot of low rolls as if it had

a 105mm gun.


Edited by Thrael7, 03 January 2018 - 12:46 AM.


lnfernaI #325 Posted 02 February 2018 - 12:21 PM

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I played at least a single 30v30 in 121 and still made over 5000 dmg on average. So idk what you are talking about.



Thrael7 #326 Posted 27 February 2018 - 12:46 AM

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I don't know what u said there either. You played a single grand battle and dealt 5k+? Beside that what's unclear about my post?

A tank is great if you have a nice streak?



HunterXHunter8 #327 Posted 15 March 2018 - 09:55 PM

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View PostGardar7, on 01 January 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

 

Excuse me? I'm afraid that I don't really understand your reply to the topic.

 

obj 430u got added, making 121 100% obsolete



Gardar7 #328 Posted 16 March 2018 - 08:14 AM

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View PostHunterXHunter8, on 15 March 2018 - 06:55 PM, said:

 

obj 430u got added, making 121 100% obsolete

 

Thanks, it wasn't clear for me what did you say there. But it is right, 121 became obsolete thanks to 430u, which is better or same in every aspects.



lnfernaI #329 Posted 19 March 2018 - 09:04 AM

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View PostThrael7, on 27 February 2018 - 01:46 AM, said:

I don't know what u said there either. You played a single grand battle and dealt 5k+? Beside that what's unclear about my post?

A tank is great if you have a nice streak?

 

For future reference don't underestimate 121,because overconfidence will get you killed.

 

View PostHunterXHunter8, on 15 March 2018 - 10:55 PM, said:

 

obj 430u got added, making 121 100% obsolete

 

Indeed, let's play all this broken garbage,until wg milks all the money from it,and nerfs it into dust.

That,by the way, is how tanks like 121 keep their relevance.

 

The one thing Ob430u doesn't have,is permatrack capability. Unlike Ob140 and pretty much any tank that has dpm,121 included.


Edited by lnfernaI, 19 March 2018 - 11:34 AM.


Thrael7 #330 Posted 19 March 2018 - 03:33 PM

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InfernaI

Proud and fierce owner of 121

 

Respect for that. It's not 121 to blame for WG releasing broken/op crap.

 

As for overconfidence, a Sheridan can kick [edited]if it's played well.



Mazhar_1980 #331 Posted 26 April 2018 - 09:45 AM

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after release of 430u, 121 is totally useless because 430u already has the only special thing about 121 which is 440 alpha and 430u is giving the same in an overall better package. So there is no reason to play 121 now where there is 430u. So 121 need a buff, maybe a small hull armor buff or aim time

 

Dezgames did a very nice review here: https://youtu.be/hU8OuYx228A and he summarized 121 has only a slight DPM advantage but 430u aim faster has less dispersion on the move and turret traverse so anyway you will loose your DPM in 121 to aim properly. Moreover 430u has this crazy good armor

 

PLEASE BUFF 121 to compete with 430u!! there is no more reason to play 121 where there is a better 430u



lnfernaI #332 Posted 03 May 2018 - 07:14 AM

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View PostMazhar_1980, on 26 April 2018 - 10:45 AM, said:

 totally useless 

Anybody in the history of the world who has said these 2 words in the same sentence, has always exaggerated.


Edited by lnfernaI, 03 May 2018 - 08:37 AM.


Pattonizer #333 Posted 02 June 2018 - 07:22 PM

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Now for real, I've been checking the stats of 121 and 430U. I don't drive either of them. On paper, 121 seems to be just a weaker version of 430U. 

I think 121 is a very able tank anyway. I'd play it more instead of the 430U just because of my stubbornness. I despise people, who give in to new OP tanks every time. 

lnfernaI #334 Posted 23 June 2018 - 09:34 PM

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View PostPattonizer, on 02 June 2018 - 08:22 PM, said:

Now for real, I've been checking the stats of 121 and 430U. I don't drive either of them. On paper, 121 seems to be just a weaker version of 430U. 

I think 121 is a very able tank anyway. I'd play it more instead of the 430U just because of my stubbornness. I despise people, who give in to new OP tanks every time. 

 

All 430U has over 121 is "armor". 121 has higher DPM.

Pattonizer #335 Posted 24 June 2018 - 04:00 PM

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View PostlnfernaI, on 23 June 2018 - 08:34 PM, said:

 

All 430U has over 121 is "armor". 121 has higher DPM.

 

Would you say those two are well balanced compared to each other?

Hyina #336 Posted 24 June 2018 - 08:14 PM

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If you want DPM just play the russian meds. If you want accuracy german meds. There's just nothing this tank excels at, alpha is nice but you need so much microadjustments to make it pen.

 

I'm a 121 fan as much as anyone but even I have to say playing this tank is a chore sometimes, you just have to put so much more effort.



lnfernaI #337 Posted 24 June 2018 - 11:16 PM

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View PostPattonizer, on 24 June 2018 - 05:00 PM, said:

 

Would you say those two are well balanced compared to each other?

 

Nothing in this game was ever balanced;this became even more apparent and obvious in recent years.

 

View PostHyina, on 24 June 2018 - 09:14 PM, said:

 There's just nothing this tank excels at, 

 

It does in theory share Obj.140's DPM with the alpha of IS-4 (by games' own historical viewpoint). Train a crew on your Lights and retrain it on 121,or whatever comes before it,hence before introduction of tier 10 LTs I had WZ-120. The reasoning behind training an LT crew,is because it's much easier and more importantly,more cost-effiecient unlike mediums. 

 

By the time I bought WZ-120 at the time,my crew already had ~4 skills ever since M5A1 Stuart. And now im training another.

 

The tank itself isn't frustrating. Given the right conditions that are fairly rare,it has the potential of turning into an absolute monster.

 

Just 2 days ago made another easy 4k on MountPass south spawn going K7 (?),assisting a fellow Obj 257 with a push. We lost in the end,but I don't care about that. I made my part of the game done.


Edited by lnfernaI, 24 June 2018 - 11:18 PM.






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