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Community #1 Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:05 PM

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In this new episode of the ASAP video series, you can find answers to the questions you have had about the premium ammunition and the British tanks, both present and future.

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icemantas #2 Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:18 PM

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Q: "premium shells, what do the players think of it?"
A: "well hurr durr, i will talk about something else CUZ THEY DONT LIKE IT"

Denii #3 Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:29 PM

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Well, I do use a lot more premium shells than before but those are at lower tiers.

Use them in both british med and heavy lines as well as the m7 mt.

I dont find them necesary at higher tiers, 8 and up.

Virulentz #4 Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:36 PM

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The british pea shooters are fine at tier 5 and 6, but from black prince upwards the guns are increasingly weak compared to other tanks. Take the black prince for example, it has to shoot 3 times to do as much damage as an IS would do.

Tankjieper #5 Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:37 PM

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lol, did he say an average player on a tier 8 tank will gain 20k per game after subtracting the costs for ammunition and repairs??

that is just bull...

scooterus #6 Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:41 PM

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View PostTankjieper, on 29 November 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

lol, did he say an average player on a tier 8 tank will gain 20k per game after subtracting the costs for ammunition and repairs??

that is just bull...

he was talking about a tier 8 premium tank

huskydo #7 Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:41 PM

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rofl, lets just totally skip and ignore that all the higher tier players are now playing at t4/t5/t6 ( the most important area for earning credits) in a hetzer/m4/pz4/kv2 and any other over powered howister gun and totally dominating the game while laughing at all the other players who don't use this cheat mode.....................

200k a game who is he kidding:P dont' think ive seen anyone get 200k a game lol

so if people only need 5 shells  why can't you limt it to stop people abusing it at the lower tiers?


but on the plus side at least you realise there is a grave concern amongst the players.........

wafu_vasco #8 Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:42 PM

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All of this would have been a lot better if it had come from Olya. Can we bring her back now please? Enough is enough.

Tankjieper #9 Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:42 PM

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ah, ok. missed the premium... but 200k... well

Edited by Tankjieper, 29 November 2012 - 06:44 PM.


UselessRandomBot #10 Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:46 PM

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the amount of gold shells is low and so they can ignore it?

are they totally stupid or what? the impact of those 0.3-0.4 more per game, it mean basically every1 is using them now. Impact on the mechanincs...
Armor worth nothing today, the biggest armored tanks are worthless, no1 care anymore to use tanks like maus or e100, cos everything can penetrate them easily thanks to gold ammos, same for heavy armored TD... no need to look for their weak spots or to flankthem, just load gold shells and click... damage is done.


Seriously, that video explain even better that u don't understand nothing about gameplay mechanics...

GehakteMolen #11 Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:48 PM

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he makes a small mistake @ credit income :p

when u have 20k proft (non premium) ur profit wont be 30k (with premium) coz premium accounts boosts income, not profit...

example:
no premium: income is 40k, 10k, repair and 10k ammo, so 20k profit
with premium: income is 60k, 10 repair, 10k, ammo, so 40k profit


premium accounts bassically doubles the PROFIT u make with a tank, (this applies to tier 5-8 tanks) higher tiers (tier 9 meds and tier X heavys) gain even more.. these tanks have often very high incomes, but also very high running costs (expensive ammo) with premium account ur high income get a nice boost, meaning u earn a lot of credits, tier 9 meds are among the best money makers... (they earn more as tier 8 meds...)

Raikan13 #12 Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:48 PM

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So if I understanded,british tanks are snipers(?!)...that makes german tanks what? :Smile_confused:
Or we have 2 nations with same roles...interesting indeed.

ammarmar #13 Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:51 PM

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There's one little lie in the video - if you earn 20k (net) with your premium tank, it does not mean you will earn 30k with premium account (50% more). You will earn MORE.

For simplicity:

No premium:
40k earned
20k repairs, ammo
20k net profit

With premium:
60k earned (40k x 1,5)
20k repairs, ammo (no change in this department)
40k net profit

There a whole thread here somewhere that explains this phenomenon better than me

EDIT: @GehakteMolen - great minds think alike :P

Edited by ammarmar, 29 November 2012 - 06:52 PM.


akuna #14 Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:12 PM

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guyz Premium ammo's is so good just try it but u must buy a Tier 8 Premium tank ...

Auto Loader and good Armor =British SPG 's hmmm interesting?

NoHeal4u #15 Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:13 PM

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View PostGoldKnight, on 29 November 2012 - 06:46 PM, said:

the amount of gold shells is low and so they can ignore it?

are they totally stupid or what? the impact of those 0.3-0.4 more per game, it mean basically every1 is using them now. Impact on the mechanincs...
Armor worth nothing today, the biggest armored tanks are worthless, no1 care anymore to use tanks like maus or e100, cos everything can penetrate them easily thanks to gold ammos, same for heavy armored TD... no need to look for their weak spots or to flankthem, just load gold shells and click... damage is done.


Seriously, that video explain even better that u don't understand nothing about gameplay mechanics...

So you think  having average 6 premium shells bought for real cash per 1 random battle  is more fair to players than having 18 premium shells per battle bought for credits?  You can say that only if you were the one using them with real money and you lost some edge, new system does screw up balance and some sick penetration values with premium ammo should be adjusted,but its more fair than ever.

Old system was so Pay to win if you consider you had 1-2 players per battle using gold shells in critical moments imagine them in platoon and there you go,pay to get +10% WR.

And thesis about "penetrating without aiming" is ridiculous, even S-70 can ding Hummel if you didn't aim well.

Like Ive said,some penetration values should be adjusted(especially on low tier arties 228 penetration on T3  :Smile_confused: ,howitzer guns and similar discrepancies in top tier) and the at least some kind of balance will be restored.

P.S  And if you even think more about it, all those vehicles used various types of ammunition. Why should game be restricted to some kind of arcade "AP-HE" system or only AP when it tends to simulate RL to some extent? Its not only "penetration values",from what ive read,all those shell types have different mechanic behind them(area hits,crew damage,no normalization,faster loss of penetration value)  thus providing diversity and tactical thinking.  They should be in the game,maybe not in this "premium" system but in some other kind of interesting one.


Also average WOT player has low APM, giving us 1 more button to click is actually a good thing for the brain  :Smile_veryhappy:

Edited by NoHeal4u, 29 November 2012 - 07:19 PM.


icemantas #16 Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:17 PM

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It was really fun how in all "statistics" he ignored normal tanks and talked only about premium.

this sets the impression wery clearly on where the balance for normal gameplay will go (tip: down the drain)
either pay to stay in line with tier 8, or rot in tier 5 with OP tanks

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View Posthuskydo, on 29 November 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

rofl, lets just totally skip and ignore that all the higher tier players are now playing at t4/t5/t6 ( the most important area for earning credits) in a hetzer/m4/pz4/kv2 and any other over powered howister gun and totally dominating the game while laughing at all the other players who don't use this cheat mode.....................

I would never ever do that, just try to avoid looking at my signature and thinking about which ammo I'm using... it's totally normal HE...

Seriously now, I've played the Hetzer for fun with both the 75mm and the 105mm with standart issue credit ammo before, but after
I could buy HEAT for credits I've changed to 105mm with HEAT only.

It's one of my fun to drive tanks and if I'm granted the possibility to change from 50/50 chance to onehit everything at/below tier IV to 100% oneshot chance
without having to spend real money I'll do that.

One more thing, I am capable of killing tier VI tanks in a Hetzer with the 75mm or 105mm with standart issue shells,
it's a bit close and sometimes requires taking my time attacking, withdrawing, attacking from the flank, withdrawing, attacking from back, etc,
but in the end of the day as long as I can penetrate it I can also kill it. (Unless it's a couple of tanks charging at me, or I'm in a situation without the chance of withdrawing)

However it is that "unless" that made me change to premium credit shells, and the answer to "Why?" is simple:
I don't want to rely on my teammates anymore, cause I've been naive to do so for a far too long time.
Premium shells give me that one little extra advantage I need to fight several tanks at once without relying on my teammates and the results
proved me right, even if my team dies horribly and there's 15 tanks charging at me, I can atleast take a couple of them with me, cause you know
it's lonely in hell without them.

Is it crazy and gamebreaking?
Yes it is.

Do I care?
Nope, not anymore.

liberatorr #18 Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:48 PM

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OK ya WoT disgner! Listen up!
Im laying with my KV-4,most of the players know how good this tank is! but there is a such big problem! LOSing cradits.
In a good battle I do about 7k damage,kill 4 tanks and earn one medal!(thats exampel of one of my battles!) an my HP at the end of the battle is about 20% and I have won the battle with normaly 18k cradits! AND THEN the problem starts! I pay bout 13K to repair my vehicle(about 18k to repair when its fully destroyed!) and then shell cost comes too each costs 1250 cradtis(if im not wrong!) and normaly in such battle I shoot about 15 to 20 shots ok! 1250x20?
Then you can count it!
And pls those pro players pls SHUT UP I know tier 8s are not made to earn cradits BUT with a double 7k damage 4 kills and about 1400 xp THen I must get some profits! :Smile_ohmy:

Am I wrong?  :Smile_amazed:

TitanLegion #19 Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:02 PM

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Autoloader British SPG's sweet..

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View Postliberatorr, on 29 November 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

OK ya WoT disgner! Listen up!
Im laying with my KV-4,most of the players know how good this tank is! but there is a such big problem! LOSing cradits.
In a good battle I do about 7k damage,kill 4 tanks and earn one medal!(thats exampel of one of my battles!) an my HP at the end of the battle is about 20% and I have won the battle with normaly 18k cradits! AND THEN the problem starts! I pay bout 13K to repair my vehicle(about 18k to repair when its fully destroyed!) and then shell cost comes too each costs 1250 cradtis(if im not wrong!) and normaly in such battle I shoot about 15 to 20 shots ok! 1250x20?
Then you can count it!
And pls those pro players pls SHUT UP I know tier 8s are not made to earn cradits BUT with a double 7k damage 4 kills and about 1400 xp THen I must get some profits! :Smile_ohmy:

Am I wrong?  :Smile_amazed:

7k damage? Thats close to impossible with 20 shots, especially conisdering 4 kills in there. Also with 7k damage you will earn more than 18k. These numbers just make me  :Smile_veryhappy:




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