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loganov #21 Posted 25 November 2010 - 05:34 PM

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With the 100mm on my T-34-85, I heavy hunting pretty often with a great deal of accuracy.  Last battle I played with it, I beat up a Tiger and KV-3 pretty good, outright killed an IS-3 at long range, and finished off an M4A3E8 that was covering the KV-3.  That's a good gun if you use it right.  It's not good at everything, but it does alright at the long-range sniper role (though accuracy isn't fantastic).

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Voekov #22 Posted 25 November 2010 - 06:28 PM

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View Postboybland, on 24 November 2010 - 10:59 PM, said:

View PostVoekov, on 24 November 2010 - 08:54 AM, said:

T-34-85 with 85mm can eat T43 with 100mm alive.
Me and my 100mm T43 will take that challenge any day of the week!
The 85mm is better for killing faster scouts, by the time your shooting at a T43 you would be better off with the 100mm.
I went all the way through the T43 with 85mm gun only, except of that few games i tried to use the 100mm, just to refresh my memory why do i hate that gun so much :P And i would accept the challenge if we were still in 5.5 and i actually had a chance that you'd miss :P Accuracy in 6.x patch is just insane comparing to what you had in 5.x. I miss the old time so much D:

boybland #23 Posted 25 November 2010 - 10:28 PM

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View PostVoekov, on 25 November 2010 - 06:28 PM, said:

View Postboybland, on 24 November 2010 - 10:59 PM, said:

View PostVoekov, on 24 November 2010 - 08:54 AM, said:

T-34-85 with 85mm can eat T43 with 100mm alive.
Me and my 100mm T43 will take that challenge any day of the week!
The 85mm is better for killing faster scouts, by the time your shooting at a T43 you would be better off with the 100mm.
I went all the way through the T43 with 85mm gun only, except of that few games i tried to use the 100mm, just to refresh my memory why do i hate that gun so much :P And i would accept the challenge if we were still in 5.5 and i actually had a chance that you'd miss :P Accuracy in 6.x patch is just insane comparing to what you had in 5.x. I miss the old time so much D:

I have only had my T43 post patch :)
The main reason I didn't like the gun early on is that it was just impossible to hit things like a Leopard or an A20 with unless you spent quite some time on each shot, I always found the T34 series of tanks just that little bit slower making them reasonably easy to hit. The T43 has a significant advantage in armour among other things to the T34 so even should the 85mm be a little more effective I would quite frankly be amazed if it was enough to consistently overcome the other advantages of the T43 one on one.  Certainly I have absolutely no issue blasting T34-85's to scrap metal at the moment.
The 85mm IS a better gun for the T34-85 no doubt about that, for some reason though once I got to the T43 the 100mm just got heaps better, or at least appeared to, maybe I just got used to it.

horacio #24 Posted 26 November 2010 - 09:17 AM

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Just tried it on my T34-85 and killed a Tiger and 2 T20s. It's a great sniping gun!
But I haven't tried the last 85mm yet so I'll have to compare both.

Highway_Star #25 Posted 30 November 2010 - 06:57 PM

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The 100mm is a great gun. It can kill anything bellow tier 9. I've killed Tiger 2s and IS-3s with a T-34-85. Once you get the T-44 you're a beast. Just don't aim for the front armour. Get the tracks and then hit their side/rear.

As a medium tank, you should be ducking in and out of cover. So the reload time isn't an issue.

The long 85mm is a worse gun, it really struggles to punch through armour. It has a higher rate of fire, but half your shots will bounce off anyway.

ZingFreelancer #26 Posted 06 December 2010 - 01:42 PM

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This 100mm is a nice gun. It can kill a King Tiger or even IS-4, assuming the IS-4 or King Tiger wount kill you in two/three shots.
On top of that you are more likely to run out of ammo while trying to kill above mentioned heavy vehicles due to 100mm doing low low damage.

Asky_ #27 Posted 06 December 2010 - 01:53 PM

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Well for shooting targets at 100-300 meters, staying hidden and having time for the gunner to fully aim, probably even the most inaccurate gun will hit 50% of it's shots. You can do that with t-34/85 or the t43, but when it comes to t44, which is a dogfighter, u will see that u will miss a lot of shots when u are on the move. Than u will notice that accuracy is very important for a gun

Highway_Star #28 Posted 06 December 2010 - 01:59 PM

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The 100mm is one of the best guns in the game. A good balance of power and rate of fire. a good match for the panthers long 88mm. However, you can also fit it to the tier 6 T-34/85. Giving you an advantage over the equivalent german tanks.

boybland #29 Posted 07 December 2010 - 02:01 AM

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View PostAsky, on 06 December 2010 - 01:53 PM, said:

Well for shooting targets at 100-300 meters, staying hidden and having time for the gunner to fully aim, probably even the most inaccurate gun will hit 50% of it's shots. You can do that with t-34/85 or the t43, but when it comes to t44, which is a dogfighter, u will see that u will miss a lot of shots when u are on the move. Than u will notice that accuracy is very important for a gun
Unless there is something very very different about the T44 compared to the T43 I really don't think this is going to be an issue, just got my T44 and that base 85mm is killing me it just sucks compared to the 100mm.
I miss being able to race past heavies and hit them with one mega shot that actually does something before racing away.  The moment I get that turret upgrade it's back to ole trusty 100 for me!

Mind you I generally shoot absolute point blank so accuracy is pretty much irrelevant to my playstyle.

ralla56 #30 Posted 07 December 2010 - 11:14 AM

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I drive T-44 and i am very satisfied with the 100mm gun. As previously mentioned it goes right in the middle, so i can get light and fast medium tanks, but i still have the power to attack an IS-3 with some support. I use the 122mm when i feel like faffing about a bit. It is a good gun with great accuracy, penetration and damage, but its reload time makes it unsuitable for effective use with the T-44 when fighting against "standard" enemies like medium tanks and medium TDs. But the 122 is great when you are support a big tank like an IS-3 to go in from the flank and deliver a devastating shell.

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I rather like the D10T gun in my T-34/85, but as said here earlier the accuracy could be better :P It isn't hopeless however with 100% crew.

As for dogfighting, the T-34/85 just isn't nowhere near as fast and agile as T-34 and that's why at least I have tried to adjust my play style to match the characteristics of the tank. Only about 12k to go before I can get the T-43.

michaelius #32 Posted 07 December 2010 - 11:52 AM

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Are you guys serious ?

100mm is average gun?

Show me other tier 6 medium tank gun with 170mm penetration that can penetrate heavy tanks so easily.
Americans get equivalent at tier 7 , Germans need to reach tier 8 to get better gun.

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I do not really see the big problem, you do not HAVE to go german if you think they are infierior to russian tanks...
Anyways, i have played through russian medium and i am about to get a panther, except for the horible VK3001P, german medium can take more beating than the russian ones, which usually loses a critical module or crew member at the first shot and it destroyed by the second if facing something big. The 100mm is the only thing that makes the T-34-85 a playable tank, because you can deal out some damage before you are instawacked.

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View Postmichaelius, on 07 December 2010 - 11:52 AM, said:

Are you guys serious ?

100mm is average gun?

Show me other tier 6 medium tank gun with 170mm penetration that can penetrate heavy tanks so easily.
Americans get equivalent at tier 7 , Germans need to reach tier 8 to get better gun.
I believe the reason why there is a renewed hatred for this gun is due to the longer range engagements that are happening now. Because of this the D10T's terrible accuracy (0.37 versus the 90's 0.33 and the 88's 0.30) means that in any sort of medium/long range engagements the D10T is placed at a significant disadvantage. Also note that both the alternative guns have significantly fire rate of fire. The T-44's reliance on close range dogfighting now is at a severe disadvantage as it is harder to close to range and basically has only 1 sniper weapon at her disposal, the D5T which remains completely unchanged from when she can first get it on the T-34-85.

To make things even slightly more unfair is the fact that while the 90mm has significantly less penetration, it delivers an HE charge almost as potent as the 100's. The 88 doesn't really need to compete on this level due to the fact that it is capable of effectively (meaning 50% or better chance of penetration) engaging many T8 and up heavy tanks on the frontal aspect.

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View PostZiggyDeath, on 07 December 2010 - 02:10 PM, said:

I believe the reason why there is a renewed hatred for this gun is due to the longer range engagements that are happening now. Because of this the D10T's terrible accuracy (0.37 versus the 90's 0.33 and the 88's 0.30) means that in any sort of medium/long range engagements the D10T is placed at a significant disadvantage. Also note that both the alternative guns have significantly fire rate of fire. The T-44's reliance on close range dogfighting now is at a severe disadvantage as it is harder to close to range and basically has only 1 sniper weapon at her disposal, the D5T which remains completely unchanged from when she can first get it on the T-34-85.

To make things even slightly more unfair is the fact that while the 90mm has significantly less penetration, it delivers an HE charge almost as potent as the 100's. The 88 doesn't really need to compete on this level due to the fact that it is capable of effectively (meaning 50% or better chance of penetration) engaging many T8 and up heavy tanks on the frontal aspect.

I'd say that's fair balance:

tier 6: russian 100mm>german 75/short 88 > us 76mm
tier 7: american 90>= russian 100> german 75/ short88
tier 8: german long 88> US 90> russian 100

and that's only when compared in vacum without tank bodies to which those guns are attached

Filas #36 Posted 08 December 2010 - 09:48 PM

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100 is not balanced, as it is worse than -not even gonna compare- 88 L/71 in EVERYTHING - damage, penetration and what's most imporant - SPEED! Also, precision sucks. Come on, it's not even accurate while moving on T-44... And to say seriously - I feel like making tracking tacks harder would increase our fun, really.

Battledragon #37 Posted 09 December 2010 - 10:02 AM

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The 100mm isn't perfect, but up close it does more damage than the 88mm.  if a T44 gets into a dogfight with my Panther I've lost my panther.  The trouble is the loading time.  Gun rammer is a MUST for using the D10T.  at least it loads faster on the T44 than the T43 and T34/85 which gives some advantage.  I'd take the D10T only on T44, it's not worth it on T34/85 or T43, at elast wasn't when I tried it back before the first wipe when I had T44.

Filas #38 Posted 09 December 2010 - 10:14 PM

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D10T HAS TO get reload speed changed to get it balanced with 88 L/56 and L/71, at least to 9-9,5 shot/minute, at least on T44. I hope they'll at least put faster 100 on T-54.

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well i played alot in t43 and t44. i always prefer the 85mm if i was ok with only going for medium/light tanks the reload is what wins it and more accuracy. 85mm is for duals,  don't get me wrong i like the 100mm and i prefer it over the 85mm when i can afford to miss. because if u miss on the 100mm you know about it and feel the pain.

situations call for different guns  

85mm med/lights
100mm med/heavys

boybland #40 Posted 13 December 2010 - 03:56 AM

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Finally got my T44 back to using the 100mm over the weekend that damn 85 has been having me wishing I hadn't ever left my T43!!!
But its all good again now trusty 100 is back! Why I need a turret upgrade to use the same gun I was using on my previous tank I'll never know!




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