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TempSGK #41 Posted 15 December 2010 - 12:31 PM

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The 85mm is a awesome gun, if you can manage to penetrate the armour of tanks of course, if it does manage to penetrate it will do much more damage then the 100mm.

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View PostPinesgkpang, on 15 December 2010 - 12:31 PM, said:

The 85mm is a awesome gun, if you can manage to penetrate the armour of tanks of course, if it does manage to penetrate it will do much more damage then the 100mm.
Against proper heavies you are limited to HE or point blank with the 85, the 100 will penetrate at a distance which allows you to do something other than charge straight at them across open ground, you can come out of cover fire once and nip back, with the 85 against heavies you just don't do enough damage like this for it work very well.

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View Postboybland, on 16 December 2010 - 12:48 AM, said:

Against proper heavies you are limited to HE or point blank with the 85, the 100 will penetrate at a distance which allows you to do something other than charge straight at them across open ground, you can come out of cover fire once and nip back, with the 85 against heavies you just don't do enough damage like this for it work very well.

what do you considder "proper heavies"? The upgraded 85 can penetrate any heavy side up to T9 save the IS-4 from across the map with high precision, and all T7 heavies on hull front, 144mm penetration is nothing to sneeze at. I agree the upgraded 85 doesn't have much punch to throw at heavies with hp numbers exeeding 1400, but less then that will lose 10~12% or more hp per shot (compared to the 13~15% it will lose if you hit it with the slow 100mm).

my plan for the T-44 is to mount the 100mm simply because it fires faster on the T-44 making it a viable option. I'll also be able to "front load" more damage without losing a key medium advantage (mediums are great at perma tracking targets, they have the manouverability, rate of fire, accuracy and damage to do so, especially the 88/L58 or L71 and 100mm/D10T)

TempSGK #44 Posted 18 December 2010 - 04:43 PM

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The 100 mm is the best gun for the T44 at destroying the tracks of heavies and anything really.
Also now the game doesn't encourage the circling etc faster firing gun isn't an option.


View Postboybland, on 16 December 2010 - 12:48 AM, said:

Against proper heavies you are limited to HE or point blank with the 85, the 100 will penetrate at a distance which allows you to do something other than charge straight at them across open ground, you can come out of cover fire once and nip back, with the 85 against heavies you just don't do enough damage like this for it work very well.

Why do you have to quote my post? I said "if you can manage to penetrate the armour of tanks of course" didn't you read? Obviously I know how to use the 100mm and I know how to use the 122mm and both the 85mm guns, also I play T44 over 400 battles.

Stirlitz #45 Posted 18 December 2010 - 08:08 PM

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Could anyone please do a quick test of reload time with the 100mm or 122mm on the t44, 100% crew and without rammer. Would be much appreciated, as there are some doubts that the rammer has any effect at all link.

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View PostStirlitz, on 18 December 2010 - 08:08 PM, said:

Could anyone please do a quick test of reload time with the 100mm or 122mm on the t44, 100% crew and without rammer. Would be much appreciated, as there are some doubts that the rammer has any effect at all link.
I will do this on monday if nobody else has done it yet by then. Do have Ventilation on my tank though which might influence reload speed.

Eegie7411 #47 Posted 21 December 2010 - 10:55 AM

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I have no trouble with the 100mm.  Good penetration even at the front of an IS3 ( if you know where to aim that is ).
T29 frontal ,no problem also.

I like it better than the German 88MM/56 on my 3002DB.

The gun has good punch and a decent reload. You have to take a bit more time to aim , but it pays of in the end.

Lupusceleri #48 Posted 21 December 2010 - 01:37 PM

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View PostLupusceleri, on 19 December 2010 - 02:36 AM, said:

I will do this on monday if nobody else has done it yet by then. Do have Ventilation on my tank though which might influence reload speed.

View PostLupusceleri, on 21 December 2010 - 03:23 AM, said:

17 seconds reloading time on the 122mm of a T-44, with 100% crew, and Ventilation. No rammer or consumables used.
So ya. Rammer on T-44 is bugged.

GinGinLime #49 Posted 22 December 2010 - 09:00 PM

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I just hate how inaccurate it is on the move, your a 100m away from an enemy tank, they've almost capped, they're dead in center of the reticle, you fire and the shot flies over them and kills an office worker returning home in the suburbs. I read the T44 doesn't get the full RoF of the 100mm just an improved one, should probably be given the max rate of fire, a boost to fire on the move accuracy would be nice too and maybe up it to 0.36 acc. I suppose the short 88 would need a bit more pen then.

exori #50 Posted 23 December 2010 - 03:43 PM

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when i first mounted 100mm D10T gun in my T-34/85 i felt so powerful,
i was able to dmg t9 tank with it and it was fun to play.

i still use it on my T43 and i still feel powerful.

was using rammer on both of them and i mounted it only when crew got over 85%.

Alphawolf #51 Posted 23 December 2010 - 04:02 PM

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i always hated the 100mm, instead i use the way faster and more accurate 85, the problem that you penetrate less is simply solved by flanking (what the main aim of a medium tank is anyway). I am not sure what to use for the t44 though

GinGinLime #52 Posted 24 December 2010 - 02:19 PM

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So I just missed a moving shot on a IS frontal profile from literally the length of a house, it landed in front of him, then I died cos' I was the only left and he tracked me.

colonelsanders17 #53 Posted 03 January 2011 - 03:27 PM

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The 100mm isn't too bad really, t44 isn't meant to fight t9 heavies head on anyway. It can penetrate is-3 and kt from the front if you aim right (close range ofc), and it can penetrate most tanks reliably from the sides/rear. I think it may be a little underpowered for a tier 8 tank though. However the T44 as a tank (excluding the gun choices) is very good now so a better 100 would probably make the tank overpowered. It would be nice if it got a slight accuracy or aiming time boost, like the 100 for the t-54 (2nd gun not last).

nordic_soldier #54 Posted 03 January 2011 - 04:06 PM

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It's not that good, but the russian medium tanks has other advantages.

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I got the 100mm on my t34-85 yesterday. I only played german tanks before(4500) battles, up to elite panther2 and KT. Only have an SU85 and the recent t34-85 for money maker.

I wanna comment on some people saying its comparable to the long88. The long88 is by far superior but dont forget it is a tier7 gun. Maybe in terms of accuracy you can compare the short88 from the VK series with the 100m. Cause the short88 is indeed inaccurate.

But again the D10T on a tier6 medium seemes abit good, thats why I chose it instead of a VK or sherman for money maker :)

Midnitewolf #56 Posted 04 January 2011 - 09:43 AM

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Gun is very good.  I think my record so far is 14 penetrating hits in a row and as a Tier 8 tank, I am usually paired up with alot of Tier 8 and above tanks so I am not always shooting at lower tiered tanks.

The only real downside to the gun is its accuracy.  .37 accuracy really, really sucks.  Sometimes I will miss 2 out of 3 shots at stationary targets and it can get massively frustrating, especially since I also play a Panther which always hits everything I put my crosshairs on.

As to what's better, the 85mm or the 100mm well honestly I have found them to be of similar effectiveness overall.  

The 85mm is fast and accurate and has enough pen to get the job done most of the time. It also excells at engaging lower tiered enemies and sniping with damn near the same accuracy at the German's long 88 and coming from someone that really, really loves the Panther, the difference in accuracy is night and day with that gun compared to the 100mm.

Now compared to the 100m, I find the 85mm realy has way, way too low of damage and to a large extent being able to get high damage in a single shot is of major importance.  Basically having a large alpha strike could be the difference between finishing off an enemy a microsecond before he finishes you off or sometimes just the way the battle plays out, you will get very limited opportunities to fire at the enemy thus maximizing dmg on every single hit is paramount.  Also if you get matched against higher tiered targets, the extra 31mm of penetration on the 100mm gun will mean the difference between hitting for dmg and bouncing on many occassions (of course with the 100mm you have alot more misses so this may be a mute point.)

Now I do think there is a balance to choosing alpha vs firing speed but to me the 85mm just doesnt quite meet that balance.  It is however close enough to that balance that if you just enjoy its accuracy and higher rate of fire, your really not gimping yourself too badly though.

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So I started trying something a little different with my t43 after a post by overlord that explains HE dmg. What he said was it does 50% dmg if it does not penetrate... I looked at the 85mm and noticed the dmg AP = 165 HE = 290. What this means is with HE on the 85mm even if you don't penetrate you do 145 dmg, only 20 dmg less than a penetrating AP round. That decrease is more than made up for with the lack of non penetrating shots. Added bonus is if you can get behind or hit a weakpoint, you do double that.

Add that to the better accuracy and faster aiming over the 100, plus it's lighter so you're more agile. I have made the switch.

Downside is you don't knock out internal modules, but you still dmg the crew, tracks and I think the gun. You also have to keep your distance or switch to AP for close up battles.
Also in peekaboo contests you're always better off with the slow rate of fire/high dmg guns, though with the 85 I can often get a 2nd shot off if they're still visible before I duck back.

anyways... something to consider.  :Smile_honoring:

does seem there is some variation in the dmg though, liners and such, plus each tank has a different "HE reduction" or something like that.... will try it for a while though.


edit: yea.... there is no way it does 50% dmg, there must be a fair bit more to HE dmg than in that post.

Highway_Star #58 Posted 10 January 2011 - 02:14 AM

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crap?

short answer: no.

long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooo.

It's a fantastic gun. If you hit a Tiger 2 in the side or rear, he'll feel it. Only use AP, unless fighting a Maus.

After tier 6, tanks just shrug off the 85mm shells.

Pahech #59 Posted 10 January 2011 - 03:03 PM

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The 100 is excellent for tier 6, decent for tier 7, and mediocre for tier 8.  Note that at tier 6 your peers on the other trees are using guns such as the 75/70, 76 M1A2, 88/56.  Even relatively heavy vehicles such as KV-3 don't use guns that have better penetration than 175mm.  At tier 7, it loses its edge as the American 90mm and 105mm and the long 88 become far more common, and the IDIOT is as best equal in this category.  By tier 8, the T-44 that uses it has to face monster guns such as the BL-9, the Long 105, and prolific amount of long 88s, American 105, and other nasty guns that are equal or better than the IDIOT.  The slightly better rate of fire isn't going to even the field - thus by tier 8 it's not that great of a gun.  Unfortunately for T-44 users, the IDIOT is usually the best out of the three, unless you are very good at using the situational and skirmishing 122mm.

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T-44 is equal to the Tiger and Panther in matchmaking - both use the long 88. The stats are so similar... I don't see why it's all that bad. Especially considering the Panther deserves the better gun because it lacks in other area's where the T-44 shines.


And honestly throwing it on a 34-85 is just ridiculous, it's so powerful for tier 6. Nothing that's tier 5 or below even stands a chance anymore, and a lot of tier 6 are simply gonna lose.




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