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Hippopotamus_Rex #41 Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:17 AM

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View Posttriggerbunny, on 14 December 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

I bet if you put the OP in a Batchat he would die before his first rounds are ready to fire < 37.5seconds.

Batchat takes alot a paitence and luck to play!

The fact that it is not easy to handle don't negate possibility of it being overpowered when one master it.

Let's take genius-unicum-3000 efficiency player and put him in Maus. Does it become OP? I don't think so, it will become dangerous, but not OP. Batchat on the other hand...

magyshadow #42 Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:36 AM

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View PostP_A_L, on 13 December 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

since there seem to alot wossy players who play gold only even in randoms I really cant stand batchat 25t anymore, they just pen anything...coming from a battle with a guy havin 6500 dmg. what makes it worse - I knew from begining that I don't like that battle: member of a clan, 3 man gold spammer platoon. I have never been close to anything like 6500 dmg in any tank. what the fuck is this? Why does those tier X meds pen everything. epic fail wot - I bounce a lot in my tier X heavies...he he he that is exactly what heavy tanks are known for bouncing and getting fu**ed by meds within seconds.
So next thing in my boycott list: all battles with a batchat
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BTW: this is just a rant. need neg rep. an vent some anger

You have -58 reps, that means that 58 Bat owners read your post  :Smile_veryhappy:

Now seriously......

Bat.might look like OP thank but think about it, would some no brain player be able to play it well?

It requires a special game play and a lot of "in advance thinking and planing" not to mention constant map flowing.

Personally I don't like that game style with long loading periods, reached AMX 13 90 and gave up.

From your perspective Bat. comes bam bam bam and goes. What it does in meantime you don't see.

Sorry forget to add one more thing, since it's a tier X tank it gets in tier X battles with many slow hull/turret moving tanks. Many players just ignore Bat. and rather shoot something big and slow. Many times I see Bat just passing trough 3-4 enemy tanks without any of them even try to take a shoot at him. Maybe that's what makes him so deadly.

Edited by magyshadow, 14 December 2012 - 11:43 AM.


Cruiser_Yahagi #43 Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:50 AM

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View PostOutbreak, on 14 December 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

Had a 6k damage game in my type59 today, 6.5k in a batchat is not very impressive, I have a replay of an 11k damage batchat game on my HDD somewhere (With no gold ammo loaded) Its a simple matter of knowing how to play the tank. The Batchat is great at exploiting gaps, destroying something, falling back > reload > repeat > win. Played correctly (and with a little bit of luck) the Batchat is the most deadly tank in the game, that being said, it is also very easy to counter, go watch some videos and learn how to play the game before you say something is overpowered, when it really is not.

can't ask you to pm me a link to that replay? avg damage of the full ammo rack is 11.7K if i didn't mes up. 11K damage is only 2 non penetrating hits. on average. that would be nice to watch.

Hippopotamus_Rex #44 Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:51 AM

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I think that we have problem with definition of "being OP".

Overpowered does not mean that everyone can play it and win all the time. Overpowered in my eyes means that some vehicle has much more winning potential than other vehicles in hands of equally skilled players.

Only reason that makes Batchat don't look OP so much in average is that a lot of bad drivers playing it. Still, alongside with Foch, it's IMO potentially most dangerous tank on the battlefield.

Hippopotamus_Rex #45 Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:53 AM

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View Postmagyshadow, on 14 December 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

Sorry forget to add one more thing, since it's a tier X tank it gets in tier X battles with many slow hull/turret moving tanks. Many players just ignore Bat. and rather shoot something big and slow. Many times I see Bat just passing trough 3-4 enemy tanks without any of them even try to take a shoot at him. Maybe that's what makes him so deadly.

It's another advantage - it's just small, quick and agile target, making him very hard to hit, if he smartly uses the map. When you have 13 seconds reload, you don't make hasty, very risky shots.

MikeSaintz #46 Posted 14 December 2012 - 01:58 PM

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This thread again.....

Yes it is OP. It's so OP you should all buy one and kill every single tank in the battlefield. It's that easy.

...then come crying to the foruns saying you get killed in your batchat in the first minute of game, before you can unload your first drum.
Do that.

In my opinion it's the tank that requires more skill to play right. It's very unforgiving. A simple mistake will cost you your life. It also requires a bit of luck. Get tracked in the open and you're dead in 5 secs.

I have one. I like it. I consider myself a good player. I did very well with the other french autoloaders.
Some games I do great. Some others I fail miserably. At less than 100 battles atm, it has a 43% Win Rate. Yeah, it's that OP!

R1CHB #47 Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:06 PM

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waaaaaaah

(that is all)

and batchats dont need gold ammo to pen (and no i dont own one)

Hippopotamus_Rex #48 Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:19 PM

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View PostR1CHB, on 14 December 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

waaaaaaah

(that is all)

and batchats dont need gold ammo to pen (and no i dont own one)

Sure it doesn't. In fact no vehicle needs.

Only now it have added optional comfort of sitting in front of heavy tank and shot through his front for ~1200 damage, taking ~400 in exchange. Of course good player won't do that - as we already said - he does not have to, as he will probably flank anyway, to avoid this 400.

Before premium patch Batchats used to ding my E75 front, in general they did not bother to shoot it anyway. Now every time I encounter them, at least one shot pens my front while he fly before me here and there, so without such bullshitting - something has changed.

5everin #49 Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:20 PM

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To the op.

Get yourself a Batchat play a few hundred games in it then come back and laugh at your stupid comment.

Edited by 5everin, 14 December 2012 - 03:21 PM.


RoyalSnail #50 Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:46 PM

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Holy Batman! Op is mad

P_A_L #51 Posted 15 December 2012 - 12:58 AM

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View Postabbyabz, on 14 December 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

Holy Batman! Op is mad
mad of anger bouncing bat 25 but get raped meanhile...yes, I am.
what a sofisticated reply that was...going straight to contemplative meditaion about this...ohhmm, ohhmmmm...stupid...ohmm.

Sharpe #52 Posted 15 December 2012 - 01:19 AM

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AHHAHAHAHHAA Tell me man, were the 3 guys's names :

MARMIST
SHARPE
COYOTEE

from clan PTS ?

Cause in that case I'm really sorry  :Smile_trollface-3:

We had 19 wins and 2 defeats playing ONLY batchats, 50B and Foch 155 in platoon in randoms. Awesome night.

Edited by Sharpe, 15 December 2012 - 01:20 AM.


Dammonar #53 Posted 15 December 2012 - 01:36 AM

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It can do stuff no other tank can. But it has its own distinct weaknesses and yeah for me its op if played properly, it gives the pro player great many game changing options.

Volccis #54 Posted 15 December 2012 - 07:47 AM

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Just my few my 50 cents, Im currently on way to grind Batchat (39k left) and Batchat has its very good alpha. Currently people are saying that T-62A its the best medium, but it all depends how the tank fits in your hand. I dont like T-62A, played 200 games and like 20 games I enjoyed and usually only hate. In my hand Batchat will be more OP than any other medium and Im also saying its OP because if you arent common retard it has huge advantages which makes it very hard target and deadly assasinator. You simply want to face a good player in any other medium than in Batman.

Anyway, there is atm too many Batchat players who are either too scared to do anything or act like a scout and thats why Batchat has very awful win ratio. Batchat is close to OP if you have brains and arent a monkey......

taattis #55 Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:38 PM

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Bat is op and adding autoloaders was outright retarded.

RoyalSnail #56 Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:02 PM

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Bat is not op its made of cheese yes it does bounce every once in a while but that's usually the shell skimming the tank, it is slow at accelerating  & turning compared to other meds if you played the bat you would understand.

johncl #57 Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:13 PM

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I got 5.9k DMG in my T28...it must be so OP.....lol and need to be band,,,,,,sarcasm off...

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Sherman is op cause the 3 sec reload is like an autoloader  :Smile_trollface-3:
Next thread: ltraktor ammoracked me, it's op.

Volccis #59 Posted 17 December 2012 - 12:41 AM

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View Postabbyabz, on 16 December 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Bat is not op its made of cheese yes it does bounce every once in a while but that's usually the shell skimming the tank, it is slow at accelerating  & turning compared to other meds if you played the bat you would understand.
Or how if you wouldnt act like a scout in batman? Yes it is a bit OP when played well and you know how to shoot (so many people misses 2-3 shots and dont do full damage)..... Batchat is made of cheese yes, this is only a problem against arties. When playing E-50M is only one which may ding, other are cheese as batman.

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As a batchat owner I can safely say it's not OP. It's strong, but situational. It does some things really well while failing rather hard at others. I play the T-62A too and neither feel OP yet both tanks are quite strong. The batchat is a lot more dangerous when it comes to finishing off targets, not doing a lot of damage per se but making more effective use of that damage. It also does a better job at scouting. The T-62A for example simply does raw damage, 3-5k is normal for a good game and great ones easily break that 5k mark.


It's too bad the stats don't show damage done thanks to spotting.




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