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Poll: Petition against Aufklärugspanther (76 members have cast votes)

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Would you like a different light tank design to be chosen?

  1. Yes, the recon Panther concept doesn't fit WOT (18 votes [23.68%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.68%

  2. No, I trust WG to balance the tank properly (18 votes [23.68%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.68%

  3. This is a waste of time, WG would never listen (40 votes [52.63%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 52.63%

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Zarax999 #1 Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:07 PM

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According to SilentStalker's thread it's pretty much confirmed that Aufklärugspanther will be a high tier light tank in the german branch.
While in theory the tank could fit the "scout tank" concept, its size would pose a problem:

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Adding to that, we would get a Panther with basically a little bit more camo, same armor, vastly downgraded firepower (it's safe to assume 75mm L/70 would be the top gun) and improved mobility, either through better terrain resistance value or a better engine.

Still, size would be a pretty much impossible to compensate disadvantage.

1) It would fail at passive scouting due to the fact that not that many bushes can hide a Panther chassis

2) It would fail at t-50 style rushes as it would be a massive target

3) It would somewhat work as a scount hunter but even with increased mobility point 2 stands, not to mention it would still be vulnerable to artillery

4) It adds pretty much nothing unique to the game, as it's an already existing chassis likely to be mated to existing turret models

5) There are valid historical alternatives that could work as much more interesting choices: http://forum.worldof...ension-project/


If this reminds you of the STUG E-100 petition, WG's card wouldn't apply as what we propose is a series of drawings from their very same sources (Jentz & Doyle) plus tank prototypes that existed in reality.

So, say no to a ridicolously oversized light tank and yes to proper fun designs!

steview162 #2 Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:09 PM

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Voted 3 I'm afraid. GL to you though.

typhaon #3 Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:09 PM

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Why don't you just wait, until there are more facts, than some fake blueprints, before you actually judge about a vehicle?

Zarax999 #4 Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:11 PM

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Fake blueprints? Are you kidding me?
Those all come from the Panzer Tracts books, the most respected source about WWII german tanks.

lewisunderwood #5 Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:12 PM

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View PostZarax999, on 11 January 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

According to SilentStalker's thread it's pretty much confirmed that Aufklärugspanther will be a high tier light tank in the german branch.

Why not wait to start complaining about stuff when it's officially anounced or/and tested ?  :Smile_sceptic:
I assume it's not even confirmed. It's just planned. ...maybe.


I'd suggest you guys should complain about stuff which is actually in the game or on the CT servers and broken. ... but actually i dunno what this could be.

Zarax999 #6 Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:15 PM

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Because in a company development cycle it's much easier to change things before any serious work is done than after.

Basically, I'm still hoping this ridicolous idea can be killed before it's too late rather than complaining about it when it's released.

Arkhell #7 Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:15 PM

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if it can equip the 105 derp it doesn't matter :D

it would basicly be a light tank version of the panzer V/IV with a better gun....

Zarax999 #8 Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:16 PM

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So basically you would rather drive a more expensive stock Panther? Interesting to say the least...

SteelBeastSerbia #9 Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:21 PM

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Voted option 3 too.

Sorry mate, but its still to early to judge this tank. Also, we should wait for the results of tests of this tank, because this is just jumping to conclusions.

This is only planned tank, it doesn't mean it'll be in the game right now. I hope WG will give their results to the public, so you can give your opinion based on WG evaluation.

lewisunderwood #10 Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:22 PM

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View PostZarax999, on 11 January 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

So basically you would rather drive a more expensive stock Panther? Interesting to say the least...

Well WG does not really use the "historical" facts on all of it's tanks.
They sometimes rather change these values for balancing purposes ... and well.... most (high tier) germans only existed on blueprints, so there won't be any "real" facts available I assume..

So they might put a good engine/gun ... whatever is needed in this planned tank to balance it, and in the end it might be a fun thing to drive this tank.

We will see ....

Rautaa #11 Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:23 PM

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View PostZarax999, on 11 January 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Adding to that, we would get a Panther with basically a little bit more camo, same armor, vastly downgraded firepower (it's safe to assume 75mm L/70 would be the top gun) and improved mobility, either through better terrain resistance value or a better engine.

Camo could be much better than the Panther: Turret is tiny and it get's the classification of a light.

Also, I thought about the L70 for it, but isn't that gun a bit OP for a light tank? Nice though, very nice...

I read somewhere about some kind of turbine (thing) engine proposal for this tank? Maybe it'll have 30,000 horsepower...

But the tanks in your suggestion are neat too. Wouldn't oppose seeing them all in the game.

Bullitt #12 Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:26 PM

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What I don't like is they are getting in the habit of using the same tank models Tiger II & E-75 for instance & this strikes me that they have either run out of ideas or can't be bothered to come up with new models.
What originally drew me to this game was it's vehicle choice now we are going to get another tank which looks almost the same as an existing vehicle again.

Edited by Bullitt, 11 January 2013 - 02:27 PM.


Zarax999 #13 Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:26 PM

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The best engine you can hope for is a 1150 HP gas turbine, it would come with a pretty high fire risk though.
28-29 HP/ton sounds very nice, problem is that even light tanks can easily pen anywhere other than the tank front and with a high chassis you would suffer.

lewisunderwood #14 Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:32 PM

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View PostBullitt, on 11 January 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

What I don't like is they are getting in the habit of using the same tank models Tiger II & E-75 for instance & this strikes me that they have either run out of ideas or can't be bothered to come up with new models.
What originally drew me to this game was it's vehicle choice now we are going to get another tank which looks almost the same as an existing vehicle again.

Maybe it's because these tanks were planned/designed based on the same models by the same engineer teams ? .... so i'd say it's not exactly WG's fault that they look similar :Smile_sceptic:

Ouchmaster #15 Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:11 PM

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I voted in it favor the a very simple reason.

With VK2801 you fight tier X tanks.

There are no higher tier tanks, so with this tank, which is an upgrade of the VK2801 I would fare much better (more hp, faster, more armor...) fighting tier X tanks.

Regardless the way this tank is designed, for us VK2801 drivers this would be indeed a very good news. If however this tank is NOT an upgrade over the VK but rather in another branch then that would be sad news indeed.

Zarax999 #16 Posted 11 January 2013 - 03:23 PM

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It would be a bigger VK2801 with the option to mount a 75 L/70 gun, not to mention VK2801 would be nerfed as it wouldn't be top tier anymore.

I hope you realize that tier V scouts are basically tier VIII in stats and balanced with pretty much the same MM.

Sliktastic #17 Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:36 PM

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+1. I have voted for one, but most likely 3 will be the case. But still Zarax thanks for the work and looking out for the game, gemran tech tree and so on. I have really to say, that you put already before (on this topic and others), alot of work in your ideas. And I really love them all, and I think the community lifes tru person which love the game; and bring nice and interesting ideas. But I also doesnt make myself any illusion, that it would change things  :Smile_sad: . WG just dont care.

Zarax999 #18 Posted 12 January 2013 - 11:25 AM

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Well, we tried our best...

Sliktastic #19 Posted 12 January 2013 - 11:56 AM

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View PostZarax999, on 12 January 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

Well, we tried our best...

Dont give your hopes up. Im just currently not in the mood to fight. Somehow I lost the engery to play the game. And as the whole Silentstalkers thing had come up, I choose that I needed a break. So Im currently not in the mood to give 100% to the game or to the community. As for the latter, I think it will be in good hands, if you can keep the topic alive (but as I said, I would also understand another position too).

The thing is, that you had with your excel chart already a very good, and logical, foundation to improve the game. Sadly somehow it got over looked.

Always when I drive by on the player suggestion subforum. I ask myself: Why there arent more? But then I remember there is more. It just got overlooked or peolpe choose to ignore them (*Staufen cough* and looks on the topic, where Mods or WG employees had the time to answer and what their contribution was; and most if the time it was nothing or counterproductiv). So I havent really high hopes, but I also which you the BEST OF LUCK. And that it is this time different.

Edited by Staufen, 12 January 2013 - 11:56 AM.


Zarax999 #20 Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:05 PM

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Remember the suggestion forum is also pre-moderated so not all threads (I suspect a rather small percentage actually) pass the filters.

Anyways, sometimes I wish I could make something of my own (I have some ideas for a RTS inspired by WOT) but I lack some capabilities to do the work alone.




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