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Crusader: Buff or Down Tiered


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Grand_Moff_Tano #1 Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:13 PM

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The Crusader to me is the worst tank at its tier and requires either a Buff or it being moved to Tier 4 and replaced by something useful, probably even a Sherman Mk.1

Sturmtiger_304 #2 Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:18 PM

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Buff, at least the engine power.

elwoodblues23 #3 Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:19 PM

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Okay after getting neg rep I want to elaborate the matter a little bit: I rather don't understand your problem TS, since this tank is absolutely fine imo, gun, good, reload good, armour paper (like it was in the last 4 tanks that lead to Crusader and will be at least for the next 2 tanks after it) maneuverability okay, vmax meh. All in all within the british light/medium tree so far, one of the fun tanks, that works quite good on its tier, plus last but not least special matchmaking. So, since you're not elaborating your views, I must assume that you're a troll Sir.

Edited by elwoodblues23, 18 January 2013 - 02:37 PM.


Crux_T #4 Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:19 PM

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Yeah...I always see 'em getting beat down.

FatigueGalaxy #5 Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:31 PM

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I'm average player but...
Crusader: 61,9% win ratio, 3.6 kill/death ratio, 2283 eff, 731 DpB. That's with 75->88% crew. Maybe you don't use it properly? I played it like medium tank (no scouting) and it worked for me. You have great camo and you don't lose camo bonus when you move - this works like a charm against KVs and TDs. They mostly have poor view range so use binos/optics have fun slowly killing them.

dzemroz #6 Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:33 PM

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I like this tank, and remember, this is the only tier V light wich is not a dedicated scout.

buh_vi #7 Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:35 PM

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What exactly is wrong with it?

Its agile, it has great gun (75dmg/110mm pene every 2s) and 12° gun depression. Only drawback is topspeed 44km/h.

aGentleTanker #8 Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:35 PM

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It has a very special supporting game style... But for me it does not feel worse then pzIV or stug....

Legault #9 Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:39 PM

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The crusader is amazing, if you think it's bad you're playing it very, very wrong.

Kellomies #10 Posted 18 January 2013 - 02:44 PM

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what.

I found the thing to work well enough. Topspeed coulda been higher, but then feel free to look up what it was IRL - and at least we get it without that retarded deck MG turret by default.

robw09 #11 Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:07 PM

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Agree needs just slight increase in either acceleration or top speed, but for me it was a tank that just sort of worked without knowing why.  Yet my T34-85 and Luchs I think i play "ok" in, I seem to be always in top few for xp at end of battle, but somehow always end up on losing side.  I suppose that is randoms for you.

wafu_vasco #12 Posted 18 January 2013 - 03:40 PM

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It's not the best tank in the tier but I've always found it to be pretty good. By buggery, there are way, way worse tanks in the British tech tree. I admire your zeal and efforts to get the tank buffed, but tragically if you think anybody at WG gives a flying **** about your opinion, you're in for a very long wait. A better bet would be to ask around the community here for some advice on how better to use the Crusader - check the stats out, there are some very competent players who I'm sure will be only too willing to help you and give you some advice and useful tips.

Cpt_Branko #13 Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:47 PM

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The tank, while historically more fitting with the tier 4 tanks it fought together with and against, would be entirely OP as it is with the 6pdr at tier 4. It could be a t4 tank only if it was nerfed noticeably (not just HP, but it's top gun would either have to lose most of it's ROF, or no 6pdr), because a fairly stealthy, reasonably mobile and quite small platform would be just too much with a 110 penetration gun delivering the most DPM out of any medium T5 bar T-34 (which has essentially the same DPM) and the 105mm howitzer tanks.

Admittedly, the British line would probably be more sensible with a nerfed Crusader as Tier 4 and a nerfed Cromwell (no vickers HV which it never had, but only 6pdr and ordinary low penetration 75mm, with speed governor to limit it to 51km/h), but it'd require a new tank for T6 and a lot of people like the Crusader and especially the Cromwell as they are, me included.

The Crusader is a reasonably good tank, with substandard armour and low alpha but excellent DPM and small size / good camouflage. It is not that much of a begginer-friendly tank; it was my first T5 and as a result it was quite bad (although I had decent WL, I did very little damage and killed only a few in my first 100 matches with it). I got back into it now I've got a few more battles, and it does do damage (and often lots of damage, a good game on a Crusader-friendly map it's not uncommon to do about 1500 direct plus 500+ scouting damage) and kill things, provided you drive it carefully.

It is excellent at providing fire at flanks (or fronts even of T5/some T6 tanks) unseen, and in a pinch it can melt tanks upclose - although with it's papermache armour, it is not likely to bounce even badly aimed shots, ever (while a T-34 or M4 is capable of getting a "steel wall", I doubt I'll ever get one in a Crusader), so you will take a lot of damage if you attempt to fight upclose.

It's biggest enemy are town maps and other maps where you have little option but to face opponents head-on; you have to work and think to keep this tank from being shot at, and without concealment (bushes and stuff) or uneven terrain it's a bit hard to do.

If you try various T5 mediums (the Crusader belongs, both regarding MM and it's gameplay, in this category), you'll see the Crusader isn't really underpowered - if for instance the M4 and PZIV did not have howitzers, I'd always prefer the Crusader over them (because the 6pdr is really a better gun then the 75/76mm of the PZIV or PZ III/IV / Sherman), even though it is more fragile.

The only tank which I consider really superior with a normal non-howitzer gun is the T-34 (that said, I started playing the T-34 with a very well trained crew from the KV-1, which had BIA and offroad driving, fixing the general "sluggishness" newcomers to the T-34 complain about).

Edited by Cpt_Branko, 18 January 2013 - 11:49 PM.


builder396 #14 Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:05 AM

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I never had any trouble with the crusader except for the 6 pounder gun, as the aim time is longer than the reload and the accuracy is also quite low making it rather hard to hit anything,even harder if you use your full rate of fire. Thats why i drove that tank only with the 2 pounder even when i had the 6 pounder resarched because the aim time issue was upswetting me and the 2 pounder doesnt have that issue, it is quite accurate in fact.

Selous #15 Posted 19 January 2013 - 05:36 PM

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I really really hope this tank does not get the same match making as my t50-2 or vk2801 , because compared to them its a pile of shit in every respect.

FatigueGalaxy #16 Posted 19 January 2013 - 07:43 PM

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View PostSelous, on 19 January 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

I really really hope this tank does not get the same match making as my t50-2 or vk2801 , because compared to them its a pile of shit in every respect.
It doesn't. It has standard tier 5 medium tank matchmaking.

algis242 #17 Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:45 AM

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View PostMr_Chipmunk, on 18 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

The Crusader to me is the worst tank at its tier and requires either a Buff or it being moved to Tier 4 and replaced by something useful, probably even a Sherman Mk.1
Ever thought that it's not the tank that performs bad, but its driver? You played only 10 battles with this tank. Play at least 200 battles and then say that Crusader is bad.  :Smile-tongue:

Actually, Crusader is a nice tank. All the good things about this tank are posted above, so I won't mention them again.

Edited by algis242, 21 January 2013 - 11:45 AM.


Hairysteed #18 Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:56 PM

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IMO it should be a tier 4 medium

MartiniHenrie #19 Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:08 PM

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I've only had a few games in the Crusader, in fact it's my first tier 5 tank, however it plays better than the previous cruiser types due to the good 6 pdr gun.  The two pounder is poor at this level, and I hate using boom guns.  

I hated it until I got the 6 pdr, and now with a few upgrades I'm enjoying it nicely.  Could be faster, could have better armor but for me it does the trick.  I get a few kills and plenty of damage now that I've bedded in with it.

Listy #20 Posted 22 January 2013 - 02:21 PM

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View PostMartiniHenrie, on 22 January 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

I hated it until I got the 6 pdr, and now with a few upgrades I'm enjoying it nicely.  Could be faster, could have better armor but for me it does the trick.

That's te odd thing about the Crusader. you look at it and think "I could do with a little more armour" Or speed or whatever, every stat seems a little low. Then you get it in game and its murderous and you slaughter enemies by the bucket load, and it dosen't feel like its stats are too weak.

The only complaint I have about the crusader is the Dispersion from turret traverse. ITs far too high for such a long aiming gun, with mediocre dispersion.

Apart from that its Awesome.

Edited by Listy, 22 January 2013 - 02:22 PM.





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