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What equipment do you use on the Tiger 1?

  1. Enhanced Gun Laying Driver (441 votes [19.01%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.01%

  2. Coated Optics (121 votes [5.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.22%

  3. Fill Tanks with CO2 (5 votes [0.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.22%

  4. Large Caliber Tank Gun Rammer (689 votes [29.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.70%

  5. "Wet" Ammo Rack Class 2 (35 votes [1.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.51%

  6. Improved Ventilation Class 3 (499 votes [21.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.51%

  7. Large Spall Liner (36 votes [1.55%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.55%

  8. Enhanced Torsion Bars 5+ t Class (12 votes [0.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.52%

  9. Toolbox (70 votes [3.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.02%

  10. Binocular Telescope (222 votes [9.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.57%

  11. Camouflage Net (148 votes [6.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.38%

  12. Nothing (42 votes [1.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.81%

What consumables do you use on the Tiger 1?

  1. Chocolate (20 votes [0.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.84%

  2. 105-Octane Gasoline (7 votes [0.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.30%

  3. Automatic Fire Extinguishers (218 votes [9.19%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.19%

  4. Large First Aid Kit (74 votes [3.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.12%

  5. Large Repair Kit (98 votes [4.13%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.13%

  6. 100-Octane Gasoline (18 votes [0.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.76%

  7. Small First Aid Kit (681 votes [28.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.71%

  8. Small Repair Kit (687 votes [28.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 28.96%

  9. Manual Fire Extinguisher (526 votes [22.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.18%

  10. None (43 votes [1.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.81%

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Charcharo #1 Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:51 AM

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Welcome to the legendary Panzer VI Tiger! One of the most famous battle machines ever built, and along with the M4 Sherman and T-34, the most iconic tank ever. Even people that know nothing of tanks probably have heard of this monster as it is the most feared tank in history.

Previous tank: VK 3601 H

Next tank: Tiger 2
http://forum.worldof...45447-tiger-ii/

Tank specs:
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Tech tree:

Overview:
The Tiger starts of as a relatively weak machine and will need some upgrades quick. If you unlock the Tiger via the VK 3601 (H), then you'll already have the Maybach HL 230 P 45, FuG 12, and 8,8 cm KwK 36 L/56 researched and you can install them immediately.
The Tiger’s main attribute is its top gun. The long 88 is one mean cannon, not because of its rate of fire and damage per shot (which are not bad by the way), but because of its great accuracy and penetration. It can actually endanger some tier 9 vehicles and is one of the main and most often used guns in the German tech tree. Unfortunately, it's elevation and depression are not all that great (only decent).
The legendary kitty has a relatively low top speed, but an extremely powerful upgraded engine. It allows the Tiger to climb, accelerate and pivot turn very well, and is actually agile considering its size. It is also a popular module later on, and is used in the Tiger 2, JagdTiger, Panther 2 and E-75.
Armour on the Tiger is surprisingly not all that good. It is not useless, but on its tier it is just nothing noteworthy. With that being said, it is very easy to slope artificially, thanks to its advanced shoe box design and decent all around armour. A well sloped Tiger can, at range, be a pain in the buttocks of all tier 7 vehicles.
This German legend is probably not a tank for everyone. It's reputation is legendary, but its competition in the game is considerably more powerful than T-34s and M4 Sherman's . Still, the Tiger is one agile heavy with a mean long range gun and unimpressive but easy to slope armour. It is a force to be respected when in the hands of experienced players.
Price: 1 390 000
Camouflage: Not good
Gun Depression -7°/+13°


Pros:
- Decent armour all around.
- Great acceleration and maneuverability.
- The powerful 88L71.
- Can ram a lot of its opponents.
- Good amount of health points.
- Pivot turn.
Cons:
- Painful stock tank.
- Relatively low top speed.
- Quite the large target.
- Frontal armour is not very impressive.
- Relatively frequent module damage.

Designation:
1.Warrior  2. Steel wall  3. Sniper 4. Heavy support unit

Crew:
1. Commander Posted Image
2. Gunner  Posted Image                  
3. Driver  Posted Image                  
4. Radio Operator   Posted Image        
5. Loader      Posted Image



Modules:
Hull:
Armor scheme currently in use:100/80/80
The Tiger's frontal armour is nothing really impressive. It is just a slab of 100mm armour with barely any slope to it. Still, thanks to this boxy design and decent side and rear armour, it is very easy to slope it efficiently. A very well sloped Tiger can be a nuisance to most vehicles with less than 180mm of penetration, especially at range. Side scraping is also a valid tactic.

Suspension:
Transportketten/ Max.capacity 58.90 / Turn speed 22 deg per sec.
Breitketten/ Max.capacity 59.20 / Turn speed 24 deg per sec.
The Tiger does not need the better suspension if it wants to mount its turret and gun. However the improved suspension improves mobility and is slightly harder to knock out that the stock one.

Engine:
Maybach HL 174 – 610 h.p. – 20% chance of fire.
Maybach HL 210 P 30 – 650 h.p. – 20% chance of fire.
Maybach HL 230 P 45 – 750 h.p. – 20% chance of fire.
Maybach HL 234 – 870 h.p. – 20% chance of fire.
People who have gotten the Tiger 1 through the VK 3601 H will probably have the second best engine ready for installation  The others will... have to suffer a little. Researching the best engine is important, because the Tiger 2 and many other German tanks use it.

Radio:
FUG 7 – range 415 meters.
Fug 12 – Range of 710 meters.
Stock radio is quite bad. When possible, get the best one. Will help elite the entire German line.

Turrets:
1. PzKpfw-VI-Tiger-I-Turm Ausf. H2
Armor: 82/82/65
Rotation: 23 degrees/second
View range: 350m
2. PzKpfw-VI-Tiger-I-Porscheturm
Armor: 100/82/82
Rotation: 23 degrees/second
View range: 370m
Stock Turret is ugly and bad. Only saving grace is its small profile. The upgraded turret is not all that armoured, but it does allow the machine to mount the great 88L71 cannon. It's mantlet is also relatively formidable, thus allowing the Tiger 1 to block shells from time to time. It also looks a lot better and improves hit points to 1450. It should be the first upgrade every Tiger gets.

Guns:
7,5 cm KwK 42 L/70 and 8,8 cm KwK 36 L/56
These were good weapons on tier 5 and 6 (though 88 needs a penetration buff), but are obviously not enough now. I suggest using the 75mm gun until the 88L71 is researched, as it has more penetration.

105mm
The 105mm howitzer was awesome on tier 4 and 5, but it really cant compare on tier 7. Even with premium ammo I am against its usage.

8,8 cm KwK 43 L/71
RoF: 6,98
Penetration: 203/237/44
Average damage: 240/240/295
Accuracy (100m): 0,34
Aim time: 2,9 sec
The best gun, the legendary long 88(historically used on the Tiger 2) is sweet. It has enough penetration to be a real danger even to some tier 9 tanks, and its accuracy is quite good. It’s damage per shot is nothing incredible but it is no bad, and the same can be said on the DPM. Lower tier tanks can really get slaughtered by this gun, and the Tiger’s true enemies do respect it, for it is one hell of a cannon.
Premium ammo is APCR, meaning it loses penetration with distance but does get the normalization bonus against sloped armour. With 237 mm of penetration, it is an improvement, but not a big one.

Proposed upgrade path:
1. Turret.
2. 88L71.
3. Engines.
4. Radio.
5. Tracks or Tiger 2.

Comparison with its peers:
Tiger 1 vs Tiger P
The Tiger P has more armour and a higher top speed than the Tiger H, but it loses out in agility and acceleration. Their guns and elevations/depressions are the same.

Tiger 1 vs IS-2
An extemely tough comparison for both tanks. The Tigers has a gun with 28 more penetration than the IS-2, which means it can fight tier 8 and 9 tanks much more reliably, but it also has less armor and a lower top speed. Tiger also has Pivot turn. Generally, Tigers will win long range engagements thanks to their superior aim time and accuracy. 1v1 close range fights with NO cover are also usually won by tiger, thanks to the RoF and more HP. Mid-range and peek-a-boo fights is the Chinese can win.

Tiger 1 vs AMX M4
The Tiger 1 has superior all around armour and is easier to slope (though their frontal armour is comparable if faced at a flat angle). The French is actually vulnerable to HE shells from its side and rear armour. Both have comparable guns, but due to soft stats, the Tiger's 88L71 is actually a bit faster to aim. The AMX does have a little more penetration though. The AMX is also a bit faster.

Tiger 1 vs Black Prince
The British is slower, has a gun with a higher rate of fire but less penetration and damage and more armour.

Tiger 1 vs IS-1/2
An extemely tough comparison for both tanks. The Tigers has a gun with 28 more penetration than IS, which means it can fight tier 8 and 9 tanks much more reliably, but it also has less armor and lower top speed. Tiger also has Pivot turn. Generally, Tigers will win long range engagements thanks to their superior aim time and accuracy. 1v1 close range fights with NO cover are also usually won by tiger, thanks to the RoF and more HP. Mid-range and peek-a-boo fights is where the Soviet may win.

Historical Tiger 1
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Development of the Tiger I was started in 1937 by the Henschel company. Mass production began in 1942, with an eventual total of 1354 vehicles manufactured. The tank first saw combat in the fighting for Leningrad, and Tigers were at the forefront of battles from Tunisia to Kursk. Although production was discontinued in the summer of 1944, the Tiger I continued to see action until the end of the war. This was the first German heavy tank in WWII and proved itself to be extremely formidable against the Allied forces, composed primarily of M4 Shermans and T-34s.
A heavy monster in historical battles, it can massacre most normal tanks like the M4 and T-34. Only other monsters such as the Pershing and IS-2 can actually slug it out and usually win against the Tiger.

Balance Suggestions:
- Slightly better top speed and reverse speed.
- A gun depression value of -7 will help.
- Aim time for top gun should be lowered a little.

Wiki page:http://wiki.worldoft...PzKpfw_VI_Tiger
WoT Armory report on Tiger 1:http://wotarmory.com...world-of-tanks/

Edited by Charcharo, 31 March 2014 - 05:43 PM.


aGentleTanker #2 Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:54 AM

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You should be able to choose more then one consumables, as well as "none".


Is there a explanation to :
1.Warrior  2. Steel wall  3. Sniper 4. Heavy support unit


I just understand sniper, and assume steel wall is something like "tank" in common role playing meaning?

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Tiger 1 vs AMX M4. You left that empty, mate.

2alertred #4 Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:10 AM

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Not to say its very vulnerable to derp guns and arty. And it goes on fire pretty fast too. And its ammo rack gets damaged a lot (but doesnt explode).

Its kinda on a top 5 list of the tanks with the most damaged modules.

SuperstarMcAwesomeville #5 Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:12 AM

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and you have the Tiger vs IS1/2 text twice

Charcharo #6 Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:21 AM

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View PostIn1g0, on 30 January 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

and you have the Tiger vs IS1/2 text twice
It is the same, we have a Chinese IS-2 and a Soviet IS-1/2

View Post2alertred, on 30 January 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

Not to say its very vulnerable to derp guns and arty. And it goes on fire pretty fast too. And its ammo rack gets damaged a lot (but doesnt explode).
Its kinda on a top 5 list of the tanks with the most damaged modules.
There are vehicles that are much worse than even the Tiger. Still, it is noted now.

View PostFrankK2, on 30 January 2013 - 10:58 AM, said:

Tiger 1 vs AMX M4. You left that empty, mate.
My bad, I just forgot to put it. I am somewhat unsure here as I have never played an MAX M4 before :( .

View PostaGentleTanker, on 30 January 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

You should be able to choose more then one consumables, as well as "none".

Is there a explanation to :
1.Warrior  2. Steel wall  3. Sniper 4. Heavy support unit

I just understand sniper, and assume steel wall is something like "tank" in common role playing meaning?

I do not believe I should include a "none" option in the consumables section, but I put it now anyway. Everyone should be using them, they are not that costly :P .
As for the other thing, yes. It means a vehicle that can take damage and still work. A well sloped Tiger can take a beating if its top dog.

saml6131 #7 Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:21 AM

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View PostIn1g0, on 30 January 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

and you have the Tiger vs IS1/2 text twice

That's because there's the Russian tier 7 heavy IS,
and there's the Chinese tier 7 heavy IS-2.
They have similar playstyles.

View PostCharcharo, on 30 January 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

My bad, I just forgot to put it. I am somewhat unsure here as I have never played an MAX M4 before :( .

I can help you here, the French tank has less armour and is more vulnerable to HE, but it is more manoeuvrable. Similar guns, but with a longer aim time and better gun depression.
The French is more of a hull down sniper.

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View PostCharcharo, on 30 January 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

It is the same, we have a Chinese IS-2 and a Soviet IS-1/2

Fair enough. Nevertheless, it's embarrassing for WG to implement a new techtree with tanks from other trees and you don't have to copy that by putting the same text twice in your description, right?  :Smile_sceptic:

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Hey really love your reviews!
Do note that APCR for the long 88 only has 237 penetration, which makes it, coupled with a 4000 credit/10 gold price tag for only 240 damage, one of the worst premium ammo in the game. 128mm on the E75 and Maus has 311 penetration (nice), long 105 on KT has 285 (very nice).

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Your review makes the Tiger seem an alright tank, my experience with it paints a different picture. Its knocked out quicker than anything I have played, its armour may as well be paper when these russian tanks deal around 400 damage it only takes about 3 shots to knock you out whilst you need to fire 6, it doesnt fire that fast in reality, it bouces a lot on sloped armour, its crap basically.

I have played over 70 battles in it and fight mostly at tier 8 where it is poor, on the rare occasion it fights at Tier 7 its still crap and knocked out so quickly at tier 9 its beyond a joke.

I have found that its performance seems better on certain maps where you can shoot at long range in support, if the map is small or in a town you are more than hopeless. Very dissapointed with it!

Oh forgot to say, I knocked one out the other day in my Tier 5 T34 LOL, shot him about 15 times with my 57mm gun no gold, and penned them all from about 300m range. He couldn't see me and was floundering like a beached whale, thats not how a Tiger should perform is it? A tier 7 heavy tank should laugh in the face of a Tier 5 medium! Especially a T34!
 

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I'd change the buff suggestion to
-Decrease ground resistance from 1.1/1.4/2.5 (hard/medium/soft ground) to 1/1.3/2.5 (basically what the KV-1S have)
-Decrease dispersion from movment from 0.19 to 0.17 (better accuracy on the move)
-Increase RoF of the long 8.8 cm to that of the Tiger 2 (7.6 RpM)
-Decrease HP from 1450 to 1400

make the Tiger H a damage dealer and leave the Tiger P as a shield.

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Hi mate, while comparing to AMX M4 you forgot to mention that AMX has 10 degress of gun depression, which is kind of crucial for this tank  :Smile_teethhappy:

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Just curious, there been some nerfs to the 8,8 cm? I remember year ago when I still grinded this tank, it had a very accurate sniper gun to compensate the poor armor. But now that I bought it back since the last sale, it just doesen't seem to have the accuracy anymore(even tho it states .34) and I'm fairly sure aim time was not hat poor either ... so did I miss something?

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View Postslowcow, on 27 February 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Just curious, there been some nerfs to the 8,8 cm? I remember year ago when I still grinded this tank, it had a very accurate sniper gun to compensate the poor armor. But now that I bought it back since the last sale, it just doesen't seem to have the accuracy anymore(even tho it states .34) and I'm fairly sure aim time was not hat poor either ... so did I miss something?
They changed the way stats are listed in 0.7.2(M103/T110E5 patch), before it showed the max. theoretical values, now it shows the values with plain 100% crew.

So even tho it's listed 0,34 it should equal to 0,3 (or near 0,3) with a fully pimped crew.

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I didn't know, that Tigers were entirely made of ammo rack. Every shot i got will damage a module. If not ammo rack, then fuel tank or engine.
And every shots do damage...no matter how you angle your tank, every shot will penetrate your front.

It's a bit challenging to play, but since i have the mighty /L71...its just awesome.

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Tiger 1 vs IS-1/2
An extemely tough comparison for both tanks. The Tigers has a gun with 28 more penetration than IS, which means it can fight tier 8 and 9 tanks much more reliably, but it also has less armor and lower top speed. Tiger also has Pivot turn. Generally, Tigers will win long range engagements thanks to their superior aim time and accuracy. 1v1 close range fights with NO cover are also usually won by tiger, thanks to the RoF and more HP. Mid-range and peek-a-boo fights is where the Soviet may win.
Just encountered an IS 1on1...after 3 shot, i had only ~200 HP. Did you realized, that it can kill me with 4 shots, but it takes 5 shots to take him out? The IS has much better DPM. And with a damaged ammo rack, my ROF is not so good.
I won this time, but it was pure luck.

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View PostJohn_Preston, on 28 February 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

I didn't know, that Tigers were entirely made of ammo rack. Every shot i got will damage a module. If not ammo rack, then fuel tank or engine.
And every shots do damage...no matter how you angle your tank, every shot will penetrate your front.

I feel your pain, brother. 'Tis very similar with British tanks...

It's a bit challenging to play, but since i have the mighty /L71...its just awesome.

Just encountered an IS 1on1...after 3 shot, i had only ~200 HP. Did you realized, that it can kill me with 4 shots, but it takes 5 shots to take him out?

Ha Ha Ha!  :Smile_teethhappy:Mate, I pinned down a Tiger on Steppes the other day, driving my Black Prince. It's hard to outmanoeuvre a tank half again as fast as you are, so I was quietly chuffed at my skill/luck. Nine penetrating hits later he was still standing. It sucks that the game has such a blatant Soviet bias, but there are guys suffering just as much from the krap kannons dished out by the WG Stavka...


The IS has much better DPM. And with a damaged ammo rack, my ROF is not so good.
I won this time, but it was pure luck.

Sorry mate, I don't mean to be rude, but I was just lurking and that made me laugh out loud! I'm going quietly nuts trying to get positions and angles on opposing vehicles that are faster, better armoured and ridiculously better armed than my tank.

I'm considering grinding up to the mighty Tiger myself, once I'm done with the British line. Nice to see that WG have hobbled one of the icons of the 20th century just as badly as the Brit kit.  :facepalmic:
Doesn't anyone else do a tank game we could play instead?  :Smile_trollface-3:

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View PostStClement, on 01 March 2013 - 01:26 AM, said:

I'm going quietly nuts trying to get positions and angles on opposing vehicles that are faster, better armoured and ridiculously better armed than my tank.
So true...

A Black Prince facehugged me once. After 3 bouncing shots, a friendly hummel killed it(did damage to me too, but still saved my ass)...but before it got too close, every shot went right through its front. :D

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The great punchline is that the Black Prince is the most heavily armoured tank in the British line...  :Smile_smile:
Absolutely hilarious the first time a 'type' light squares off for a toe to toe slugging match with the Caerarvon- the 20lber bounces off every surface, while the dwarf just unloads wherever his gun happens to be pointed, it's gonna penetrate regardless...  :facepalmic:

Anyway, moving swiftly on, any top tips for grinding the German line? The eventual aim is to bag each major panzer in turn up to and including the Tiger II.

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View PostStClement, on 01 March 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

The great punchline is that the Black Prince is the most heavily armoured tank in the British line...  :Smile_smile:
Absolutely hilarious the first time a 'type' light squares off for a toe to toe slugging match with the Caerarvon- the 20lber bounces off every surface, while the dwarf just unloads wherever his gun happens to be pointed, it's gonna penetrate regardless...  :facepalmic:

Anyway, moving swiftly on, any top tips for grinding the German line? The eventual aim is to bag each major panzer in turn up to and including the Tiger II.

I can give you 3 top tips that you may find yourself:
1. Only shoot when fully aimed, preferably at a weakspot. Always fit rammer if you have the credits.
2. Findy cover from arty. They tend to hit your weakest armor if you're not in cover.
3. Must. Angle. Tank. There's no other way you'll survive. A little wiggling back and forth, left and right can also help bounce more shots.

Use the VK3601H as a learning platform. If you can reliably take on a KV-1S solo, you are set for the Tiger (which has weak armor at tier 7 but that actually serves to make its gameplay historically more accurate). You will find that your best defense is range - your guns can reliably hit at 100+ meters where other guns struggle to hit your weakspots. This will be moost pronounced when you finally get to the Königstiger, where noobs will switch to gold to try to penetrate you.

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:Smile_Default: Cheers mate, appreciated.




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