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tomogaso #1 Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:46 AM

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Greetings fellow tankers.

I have 1 simple question, how is the T71 balanced?

Here's a comparison of it and the 13 75, the only other tier 7 light autoloader;

Stats____AMX___T71
HP______900___840
Traverse__40____60
Speed___61____64.4
Hp/ton___17____19
View____390____400
aim_____2.3____2.3
accuracy_.36___.38
damage__135___150
pen_____144___175
RoF____same
DPM____less___more

So basically the T71 only has 60 less HP, and .02 less accuracy, all the other stats are better. Someone please explain what's the factor that makes them even opponents.

PS:sorry for the ugly chart, and some generalizations,I'm in a hurry so I didn't have much time.

Edit: I have the T71 for quite some time now, and there is no doubt in my mind that it's better than the AMX13-75. I'm glad that I got it since it's as OP as I expected, but I'm still sad because of the power creep going on in WoT.

Edited by tomogaso, 09 March 2013 - 09:29 PM.


MantrasOfWar #2 Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:50 AM

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After 13/75 comming the mighty 13/90
After t71 comming the ugly slow bad pen t69

T71 is much much better but shhhh WG will nerf him :))

Loofah #3 Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:50 AM

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Also T71 has better gun depression  7 vs 6. I thought it was 8 but maybe got nerfed...
Yes, T71 is OP ATM, just as every other new autoloader. T69 - with gold it's not even funny anymore, the most devastating T8 med with the best gold ammo around with v. good turret armor, gun depression etc. etc.  etc.,
WG should fire their "balance team" cause they have no idea what they're doing.
But this game's balance is going dowhill ever since they introduced autoloaders.

Edited by Loofah, 07 February 2013 - 11:56 AM.


tomogaso #4 Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:51 AM

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View Postiulica1337, on 07 February 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

After 13/75 comming the mighty 13/90
After t71 comming the ugly slow bad pen t69

T71 is much much better but shhhh WG will nerf him :))
I have the 13 90, and the T69 is not that bad I reckon. I know it's better but I don't want to grind the sh*tty T21 for it so I'd rather WG nerfs it!  :Smile-angry:

Judqment8 #5 Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:05 PM

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Here is my old topic about the same thing:
http://forum.worldof...tterly-useless/

DeathByDribbling #6 Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:06 PM

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Think the AMX has a slightly higher drum rof, and is smaller.  You also forgot that the T71 can also mount a vert stablizer - something that even a 13-90 can't mount (for non sensible reason)!

Anyway big difference is the 175 pen as that opens up a whole bunch of targets that the AMX will bounce off.

However I suspect from WG view they are a bit different in that T71 is the top USA light tank, where as 13-75 is just a stepping stone to 13-90 which is the top French light tank.  Top tanks tend to be a bit better.

Edited by DeathByDribbling, 07 February 2013 - 12:09 PM.


RavenDeBlade #7 Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:07 PM

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T71 is easier to knock out than AMX 75...

Heinkle #8 Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:10 PM

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View PostLoofah, on 07 February 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

But this game's balance is going dowhill ever since they introduced autoloaders.

Agreed, and then the tier 10 mediums/TDs made it worse, then the gold ammo for credits made it even worse, and then they introduced Chinese tanks with 300mm pen premium rounds which is just ridiculous.

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http://en.wikipedia....iki/Power_creep

tomogaso #10 Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:16 PM

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View PostDeathByDribbling, on 07 February 2013 - 12:06 PM, said:

Think the AMX has a slightly higher drum rof, and is smaller.  You also forgot that the T71 can also mount a vert stablizer - something that even a 13-90 can't mount (for non sensible reason)!

Anyway big difference is the 175 pen as that opens up a whole bunch of targets that the AMX will bounce off.

However I suspect from WG view they are a bit different in that T71 is the top USA light tank, where as 13-75 is just a stepping stone to 13-90 which is the top French light tank.  Top tanks tend to be a bit better.
The US autoloaders fire faster than the French. And the T71 is much smaller than the AMX.

View PostRavenDeBlade, on 07 February 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

T71 is easier to knock out than AMX 75...
Elaborate.

Edited by tomogaso, 07 February 2013 - 12:16 PM.


Judqment8 #11 Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:17 PM

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View PostRavenDeBlade, on 07 February 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

T71 is easier to knock out than AMX 75...

And just how?

tomogaso #12 Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:17 PM

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View PostHeinkle, on 07 February 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

Agreed, and then the tier 10 mediums/TDs made it worse, then the gold ammo for credits made it even worse, and then they introduced Chinese tanks with 300mm pen premium rounds which is just ridiculous.
I just noticed the top tier Chinese heavy has 400 pen.....seems about right...

Norgaroth #13 Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:26 PM

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Its not balanced in my view.  I rarely find myself troubled by an AMX 13 75 due to the lack of penetration and speed (compared to other lights).  However since the introduction of the new American lines, the T71s I see wreaking havoc daily.  They are just a much stronger all round take compared.  I'm not saying they are overpowered, I know these are good players in the T71s, but the AMX 13 75 needs to be buffed a bit to match it I feel.

tomkrist #14 Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:28 PM

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I fear a nerf on the t-71. I have also 13-75. I havent crew on 100% jet on the t-71, but
i admit i play T-71 before 13-75 already lol

Rankkis #15 Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:37 PM

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I already boasted with this in one other thread but this seems to be much more suitable :Smile-tongue:

Yesterday, El Halluf, T71, 3031xp  :Smile_trollface-3:  Problems, gentleman?

It probably will be nerfed in the near future, that's my guess. Anyone know the overall WR for the T71 on the server?

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View Posttomogaso, on 07 February 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

I have the 13 90, and the T69 is not that bad I reckon. I know it's better but I don't want to grind the sh*tty T21 for it so I'd rather WG nerfs it!  :Smile-angry:

T21 i use ventilation rammer and view optics . It's like a t-50 with gun depresion and acurate gun with enought penetration for it's tire . I know i had lots of t9-10 matched but i menage to have over 55 win ration and the gring was funny. Maybe i like light and medium tanks.

But on topic always new tanks are better and they nerfed after.

Arallaw #17 Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:45 PM

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Please no more T71 topics. It's just fine. *hides in antinerf bunker*  :Smile-hiding:

Aethelwulf309 #18 Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:51 PM

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waah waaah waaah my amx isnt the bees knees any more!.....suck it up gentleman and whats that your always telling people?

FieserNiesel #19 Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:51 PM

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The T71 can be knocked out more easily because it has a higher profile and when u hit it, it almost everytime catches fire or ammorack gets hit.

And on paper the T71 looks better, but when u actually drive it, u will notice that it tends to drift when driving too fast, so u are easier to hit.

another thing is that the AMX-Series is much bouncier than T71.

Murphy1up #20 Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:04 PM

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T71 can be a strong tank one on one. But the obvious tactic for that is just don't let yourself get caught 1 on 1. Not every tank can be truely balanced for 1 on 1 situations.  If 2 tanks engage a T71 or even if you just have a friendly tank near to you, he has to make a choice who he's shooting them he has a long reload. He'll die before that reload is done.  Like the AMX lights it's best played as a vulture picking up wounded tanks or attacking when your focus is elsewhere.

If you're facing one in the enemy team you consider that at the start of the match and be prepared for it.  

It's like if the enemy team has 5 arty you know not to sit in the open.
If they have lots of scouts you know your arty needs protecting.
If they have lots of TD's you expect them to play defensively.
If they have lots of heavies be prepared for a slug fest.




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