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Kazadar #21 Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:06 PM

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Its pretty much the same with the T57 vs AMX50B. Except for the speed the T57 does everything better.

View Postiulica1337, on 07 February 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

T21 i use ventilation rammer and view optics . It's like a t-50 with gun depresion and acurate gun with enought penetration for it's tire . I know i had lots of t9-10 matched but i menage to have over 55 win ration and the gring was funny. Maybe i like light and medium tanks.
I like my T21 aswell. I might even keep it.

Naboo #22 Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:10 PM

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People should not forget, that only experienced players have a T71 yet. Most have probably played the AMX tree too. So let's just wait at least 1-2 months before we declare the T71 overpowered.

I only reached the T21 just yet, so no comments on the AMX13-75 vs. T71 discussion. I remember though when I first played the AMX13-90 (it was T7 back then and widely regarded as OP). It took me a long time to get used to a totally different play style, and after more then 300 battles with light autoloaders I'm still nothing more then average with them.

So from my humble point of view, I do admire a skilled T71 driver (met some the last couple of weeks), but I do not considered the tank itself OP in any way. It's usually the driver who is OP.  :Smile_veryhappy:

Edited by Naboo, 07 February 2013 - 01:13 PM.


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View Postiulica1337, on 07 February 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

After 13/75 comming the mighty 13/90
After t71 comming the ugly slow bad pen t69

T71 is much much better but shhhh WG will nerf him :))

T69 is a medium while the 13 90 is still a tank with light properties. So they are used differently.
Btw, T69 is a good tank. I've ~2k average damage per battle with that one.

Private_Miros #24 Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:17 PM

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I know T71 is a good tank but it simply did not work for me.

I hated it and even used 1000 gold to free xp it. I found T21 to be much more suitable to my play style, and a better damage dealer and scout.

Warheart1992 #25 Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:22 PM

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 07 February 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

I know T71 is a good tank but it simply did not work for me.

I hated it and even used 1000 gold to free xp it. I found T21 to be much more suitable to my play style, and a better damage dealer and scout.

If its T20 chassis , its fine  :Smile-tongue: .

On topic , yes , it prolly is OP atm , but I guess soon it will get its nerf too, I personally find it  the best light atm ingame....

Tjappi0 #26 Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:24 PM

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Stabaliser, optics and ventilation.
I like this one a bit more then the chaffee ;)

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View Posttomogaso, on 07 February 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

I just noticed the top tier Chinese heavy has 400 pen.....seems about right...
IS-4 has 400 penetration with gold ammo too, but it's HEAT so it doesn't have normalisation.

Psycho_Baby_ #28 Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:29 PM

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  • Cannot hit sh@t on the move
  • Cannot make a fast turn (drifting away instead)
  • Regular engine damage or fire
  • You can squash it like a bug in a bigger tank


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View PostKwagga, on 07 February 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

  • Cannot hit sh@t on the move
  • Cannot make a fast turn (drifting away instead)
  • Regular engine damage or fire
  • You can squash it like a bug in a bigger tank

I think the first three, and especially the second is why I think it's such a bad tank, despite it's apparently good hard stats.

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View PostLoofah, on 07 February 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

Also T71 has better gun depression  7 vs 6. I thought it was 8 but maybe got nerfed...
Yes, T71 is OP ATM, just as every other new autoloader. T69 - with gold it's not even funny anymore, the most devastating T8 med with the best gold ammo around with v. good turret armor, gun depression etc. etc.  etc.,
WG should fire their "balance team" cause they have no idea what they're doing.
But this game's balance is going dowhill ever since they introduced autoloaders.

Exactly so

Its seem auto loaders are every where.  When the're well played they devastate and dominate.

Get it wrong and you are toast.

But going with the flow

Amx 1390                = love it
Bat the Chat            = love it
T71   =love it
T69    =+ gold love it   =   - gold not so much
Amx 50 100     = love it
AMX 50 120     = played on test and i know i'm going to love it

How are the balanced??  
I have no idea if they are technically, just maybe the vast WOT population has not got to grips with them yet so keeping the stats in the area of balanced.  Acting as a damper for the players with high performance figures.

I like them to stay even if only o punish the unwary just like arty can do.

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View PostRankkis, on 07 February 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

I already boasted with this in one other thread but this seems to be much more suitable :Smile-tongue:

Yesterday, El Halluf, T71, 3031xp  :Smile_trollface-3:  Problems, gentleman?

It probably will be nerfed in the near future, that's my guess. Anyone know the overall WR for the T71 on the server?

51.93 % EU
51.74 % RU
51.01 % US

All stats unofficial

http://wot-news.com/...rver/eu/norm/en

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Edited by TacPenguin, 07 February 2013 - 02:04 PM.


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View PostRankkis, on 07 February 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

I already boasted with this in one other thread but this seems to be much more suitable :Smile-tongue:

Yesterday, El Halluf, T71, 3031xp  :Smile_trollface-3:  Problems, gentleman?

It probably will be nerfed in the near future, that's my guess. Anyone know the overall WR for the T71 on the server?

For you and all the statistic lovers  :Smile_blinky: :
T71: 52,29%
Type 62: 51,08%
AMX 13/75: 50,84%
Ch16_WZ_131: 50,82%

Taken from WoT-News: http://wot-news.com/...rver/eu/norm/en

Edit:
Tac, you ninja.  :Smile_veryhappy:
Hm, but why the difference???

Edited by mystictda, 07 February 2013 - 02:10 PM.


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T71 despite it's awsomeness is very fragile, at least mine, things like 2 amo racks damage shoot after shoot, fire, gun broken or crewmen casualties is something im slowly getting used to. Something else that should be taken into summary is that T71 like most of autoloader or high tier light tanks (or both) is usualy played by better, more experienced players, newbs can't rly handle frenchies / dedicated scouts.

Edited by L04i, 07 February 2013 - 02:38 PM.


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View Postmystictda, on 07 February 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

For you and all the statistic lovers  :Smile_blinky: :
T71: 52,29%
Type 62: 51,08%
AMX 13/75: 50,84%
Ch16_WZ_131: 50,82%

Taken from WoT-News: http://wot-news.com/...rver/eu/norm/en

Edit:
Tac, you ninja.  :Smile_veryhappy:
Hm, but why the difference???

Mnn  dont know
My ISP is Virgin media maybe they have website in their Cache. Just flushed and refreshed cache still getting 51.93 on EU server   :Smile_confused:
I wonder why yours is higher?  Still its in the same area but heading i think to a higher value than WG would like.
I'm sure it will get hit by a huge Nerf BAT and end up a shell of a tank  :Smile_sad:

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Edited by TacPenguin, 07 February 2013 - 02:58 PM.


Denis_2004 #35 Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:23 PM

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View Postmystictda, on 07 February 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:



For you and all the statistic lovers  :Smile_blinky: :
T71: 52,29%
Type 62: 51,08%
AMX 13/75: 50,84%
Ch16_WZ_131: 50,82%

Taken from WoT-News: http://wot-news.com/...rver/eu/norm/en

Edit:
Tac, you ninja.  :Smile_veryhappy:
Hm, but why the difference???
For lat two weeks on EU server it fell to 51.6%, so when a lot of average players will get it , it won't look so OP

DeathByDribbling #36 Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:21 PM

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View PostPrivate_Miros, on 07 February 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

I know T71 is a good tank but it simply did not work for me.

I hated it and even used 1000 gold to free xp it. I found T21 to be much more suitable to my play style, and a better damage dealer and scout.

I got a 47.5% or so win rate on T21, then was on about 45% win rate on T71, then something clicked and according to noobmeter I won 33 out of my last 42 battles (all solo random).  Persistence > free xp.

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View PostDeathByDribbling, on 07 February 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

Persistence > free xp.

I know! T71 is really just that horrible for me that I made the exception.

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View Posttomogaso, on 07 February 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

I just noticed the top tier Chinese heavy has 400 pen.....seems about right...

Think that's bad? The tier 7LIGHT tank has gold shells for the same penetration as some tier 10 heavy tanks have for AP.

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View PostLoofah, on 07 February 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

Also T71 has better gun depression  7 vs 6. I thought it was 8 but maybe got nerfed...
Yes, T71 is OP ATM, just as every other new autoloader. T69 - with gold it's not even funny anymore, the most devastating T8 med with the best gold ammo around with v. good turret armor, gun depression etc. etc.  etc.,
WG should fire their "balance team" cause they have no idea what they're doing.
But this game's balance is going dowhill ever since they introduced autoloaders.

You dick around since mid-2011 and still haven't noticed WG balances tanks according their profits.
T71 is very powerful if not OP after free exp sink in shape of M5-M7-T21 (well these are workable but hardly impressive), thus it promotes itself on his own

T69 indeed have dafuq penetration on gold ammo, but regular AP penetration coupled with average accuracy, bad aim time and "autoloader syndrome" is just sad. And to run it care free with gold ammo you need to play your premium tank every second battle. With premium acc of course. Add to that notorious ammo rack issues (apparently WG thought it would be funny to paint interiors with "ammorack paint" instead white/OD/whatever.

T54E1 - I don't own it yet, but it seems to be similar case, except gold penetration is below average and accuracy is even worse. And no HE, not that its primary shell in autoloaders but having one drum of these usually don't hurt.

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View PostEctar, on 07 February 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

T71 can be a strong tank one on one. But the obvious tactic for that is just don't let yourself get caught 1 on 1. Not every tank can be truely balanced for 1 on 1 situations.  If 2 tanks engage a T71 or even if you just have a friendly tank near to you, he has to make a choice who he's shooting them he has a long reload. He'll die before that reload is done.  Like the AMX lights it's best played as a vulture picking up wounded tanks or attacking when your focus is elsewhere.

If you're facing one in the enemy team you consider that at the start of the match and be prepared for it.  

It's like if the enemy team has 5 arty you know not to sit in the open.
If they have lots of scouts you know your arty needs protecting.
If they have lots of TD's you expect them to play defensively.
If they have lots of heavies be prepared for a slug fest.
Regardless, american autoloader are OP and much more powerful than french ones, something is not right, already barely anyone play french tanks because most of them are horrific.




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