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Field_marshal_Colt #161 Posted 17 April 2014 - 05:42 AM

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I know what you are saying. But with the T-43s final 85 mm gun you should shoot at the weaker tier nine tanks. I honestly don't know what was the WarGarming staff thinking when they brought the Russian 85 mm gun that does about 180 hp's of damage while the British 20 pounder (which is 83 mm's) that does over 200 of damage.

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I am currently grinding the tank and while it's a little harder for me (I went KV-13 back in the day, so no engines from a T-34-85), I still don't see how it's any good compared to pretty much any other tier 7 medium tank. Here are some common stats on the T-43 and its closest counterparts (Comet and T20):

 

View range: 370 on the T-43, 380 on the Comet, 390 on the T20

Penetration: 144, 148, 160

Alpha damage: 180, 140, 240

DPM: 2000, 2153, 1531

Gun depression/elevation: -8/+26, -12/+20, -10/+25

Top Speed: 51, 51, 56

Traverse: 38, 36, 37

 

They are almost identical in every other stat that matters and although it might be worth mentioning that the T-43 has a god awful signal range (90m less than the T20 and 175m less than the Comet), that usually isn't important since the T-43 can't scout a damn thing anyway, due to its limited VR (even with optics, you're barely over 400m whereas the T20 will be pushing 430m). That said, I don't think that the T43 is necessarily a terrible tank, I just think it needs something to make it stand out compared to the rest. Honestly, the Comet is just a way better T-43 and combined with the ridiculous upgrade scheme on the Russian side (T-44 essentially gets nothing carried over from the T-43) while the Comet starts almost fully upgraded (first engine, first radio, a gun that's slightly worse than the top gun), why not go for the Brits?



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I think a big part of peoples disappointment with the T43 is that they had the Tier 7 gun on a tier 6 tank previously, if the T34-85 was limited to the tier 6 gun then the T 43 would feel like a step up. Also the only targets you will get that you didn't with the T34-85 are the in the T9 games that you get so the rest of the time you are facing the same tanks as before but now you have slightly better armor. 

 

My feeling on this tank is that where the T34-85 was quite a lot of fun the T43 is quite a lot of work, you get punished harder for your mistakes but if you learn from them when you get the T44 you will do much better.



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34-85 is a weird tank tbh it is a HT/med hybrid as it has a gun which can go through the front of most HT at T6, with the exception of ARL44 and Churchill but then you can go through the turrets. While having similar hit points.

 

The 43 I abused the much faster fire rate as a brawler and you could absolutely punish anything you got round the back and sides with. It punishes frontal attacks with easy fires, which aren't that catastrophic as you can put it out with one press.

 

The 44 punishes mistakes harder than any other tank I've found due to module vulnerability, I found myself turning right to protect the ammo rack, feeling iffy about turning right corners reverse side scraping out of them to protect the right ammo rack. I found myself playing it like an ELC, ambush to start, always ensuring I had an escape route should it become too hot. Back towards enemy during bush ambush to enable a quick escape. Watching the enemy turret carefully to do a bullet time dodge to make him miss (needs top engine), aiming for turret ring/track to enable you to move around them with impunity. Also racing to favourable positions like taking the hill and delaying the enemy.

 

Twas hard, got 50% WR and my last 50games averaged 2000 or so damage and I burned through nearly 300 repair kits. Also burning through a lot of gold ammo, I carried 11 when I first got the LB1, I found in my last 50 games I actually only needed to use 3 per battle, my last 15 battles I used 0 gold ammo and started turning a profit in the 44.

 

I appreciate some of the qualities, but the absolute focus, the multi focus which was required made me sweat like crazy. While the IS3 I can focus on my own flank and generally can't go to the other to help out, it means I can focus on one thing. By the 44 and probably the 54 means you can rush to the other side to help out and need to keep an eye on escaping if it gets too hot.


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View PostField_marshal_Colt, on 17 April 2014 - 06:42 AM, said:

I know what you are saying. But with the T-43s final 85 mm gun you should shoot at the weaker tier nine tanks. I honestly don't know what was the WarGarming staff thinking when they brought the Russian 85 mm gun that does about 180 hp's of damage while the British 20 pounder (which is 83 mm's) that does over 200 of damage.

 

Well sorry to bring it to you, but your logic is flawed. Unlike Californian porn, bigger is not always better.



ilmavarvas #166 Posted 21 May 2014 - 06:16 PM

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Just gotted my first (and hopefully not last) Steel Wall in T-43, this thing seems to like reverse sidescraping :)

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I would like to see the replay!

ilmavarvas #168 Posted 21 May 2014 - 08:25 PM

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View Postrikkelt, on 21 May 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

I would like to see the replay!


Got it, I'll post it later when I'm at laptop. The one that shot me most was another T-43, with heat & ap.



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View PostZinn, on 23 April 2014 - 06:17 AM, said:

I am currently grinding the tank and while it's a little harder for me (I went KV-13 back in the day, so no engines from a T-34-85), I still don't see how it's any good compared to pretty much any other tier 7 medium tank. Here are some common stats on the T-43 and its closest counterparts (Comet and T20):

 

View range: 370 on the T-43, 380 on the Comet, 390 on the T20

Penetration: 144, 148, 160

Alpha damage: 180, 140, 240

DPM: 2000, 2153, 1531

Gun depression/elevation: -8/+26, -12/+20, -10/+25

Top Speed: 51, 51, 56

Traverse: 38, 36, 37

 

They are almost identical in every other stat that matters and although it might be worth mentioning that the T-43 has a god awful signal range (90m less than the T20 and 175m less than the Comet), that usually isn't important since the T-43 can't scout a damn thing anyway, due to its limited VR (even with optics, you're barely over 400m whereas the T20 will be pushing 430m). That said, I don't think that the T43 is necessarily a terrible tank, I just think it needs something to make it stand out compared to the rest. Honestly, the Comet is just a way better T-43 and combined with the ridiculous upgrade scheme on the Russian side (T-44 essentially gets nothing carried over from the T-43) while the Comet starts almost fully upgraded (first engine, first radio, a gun that's slightly worse than the top gun), why not go for the Brits?

 

The stats you posted aren't the ones that matter most IMO. Firstly T20 has no armour at all, Comet has got some armour on the turret (the mantlet, which unfortunately doesn't cover entire turret), and T-43 has got excellent turret armour (by comparison, and only as a medium) - if you get thrown as a top dog, sitting in a hull down, you can bounce helluva shots. Mind you, it's not a T29. Needless to say that hulls are in all cases worthless.

 

Another point is maneuverability. Can't say much here about T20 (loathed the thing), however Comet turns horribly - bleeds all the speed, and turn radius is huge. T-43 behaves a lot better.

 

Back on the topic, I didn't like T-43 at all when I began playing with it, seemed to gain nothing over its predecessor, while being a tier higher. In the end though it was quite OK tank - nothing special, not too bad, but definitely not a keeper.



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http://www.wotreplay...herr_putin-t-43

 

Here's the replay of Steel Wall in Malinovka, also got Confederate too.

 

The actual game wasn't so good for me, altough we won after all and the match was pretty balanced too.

 

 



ilmavarvas #171 Posted 22 June 2014 - 02:57 PM

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And after about month playing in T-43, I'm so fed up with this tank...

 

Constantly seeing T9 games in it, not much you can do in there and in those games you really depend too much of your team + with that alpha dmg & dpm, you really can't punish T9 or even some T8 tanks back as you should.

 

Altough it seems to work decently well IF you manage to find some other mt or two to work with, as a pack T7 meds are pretty scary even in T9 game, sadly I'm playing solo randoms, so don't get to see that too often.

 

 



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OK I re-bought a KV-13 which is similar(ish) to T-43. Gun wise I have no problems. RoF and damage are decent along with accuracy and aim time. Penetration is lackluster but all tier 7 mediums except Panther and T-34-1. 

Camo and view range are similar on both tanks, KV has more camo but lower view range so I guess not much difference there. Armor is what sets them apart. KV-13 isn't really nippy tank and has that bonus armor that may drag you down in some situations but help in others. I think for such gun speed is better.

My current crew and equipment setup is: Vents, rammer and optics.(however I may did mistake and not using GLD instead of vents but this is also OK setup, I don't plan keeping the tank) and for crew I went YOLO with camo.

So all in all, T-43 might not be a bad tank at all.



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No, the T-43 isn't so bad or anything, it's just plain dull, it hasn't got anything to set it apart from others, not a keeper for me.

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T-43 has suffered from power creep. It used to be a good tier 7, before the British and Chinese mediums came along. Thus as mentioned above the Chinese T34-1 is better. I also personally think the Comet is better.

 

Meanwhile the T34-85 is arguably the best tier 6 medium available and has suffered no power creep. the Cromwell is faster, but the T34-85 gun tends to make up for that one weakness when you compare those two.

 

Thus going from the best tier 6 medium, to a medicore tier 7 medium is the reason for the disappointment in that line.

 

Of course it is still worth grinding through the T43 despite it being low average, because the T44 played correctly does very well. I did badly in T44 when first learning this game, but having recently returned to playing it, it is a very able medium, well able to move around the battlefield and deliver oppurtunistic damage.



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This tank sees nothing but tier 9 games talk about being inept playing it lol

tajj7 #176 Posted 09 September 2014 - 09:01 PM

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About to unlock it but as far as I can tell -

 

Same gun as T-34-85

Slower than T-34-85

Less power to weight than T-34-85

Same traverse as T-34-85

Same aim time

Same accuracy

 

What the hell am I getting? -1 degrees gun depression and some DPM seems a bad trade for going up a tier.

 

By the way went to look in Tank inspector at it and it listed the T-44-122 and T-44-85 as tier 7 premium tanks? 



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View Posttajj7, on 09 September 2014 - 10:01 PM, said:

 

By the way went to look in Tank inspector at it and it listed the T-44-122 and T-44-85 as tier 7 premium tanks? 

 

T-44-122 was a reward for supertesters, so RU only. T-44-85 was going to be a normal premium tank, but then it got shelved.

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View Posttajj7, on 09 September 2014 - 10:01 PM, said:

About to unlock it but as far as I can tell -

 

Same gun as T-34-85

Slower than T-34-85

Less power to weight than T-34-85

Same traverse as T-34-85

Same aim time

Same accuracy

 

What the hell am I getting? -1 degrees gun depression and some DPM seems a bad trade for going up a tier.

 

By the way went to look in Tank inspector at it and it listed the T-44-122 and T-44-85 as tier 7 premium tanks?

 

 You're pretty much getting 100% crap in the shape of an T-43, after that you're getting 50% crap in the form of an T-44 and after that, you're getting super-sweet T-54 ;)

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The T-43 has better terrain resistance, it's a little bit faster than the T-34-85. The only bad thing is actually the penetration, you will need more prem ammo so it's more expensive to run.

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View PostEila_Juutilainen, on 09 September 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

 

T-44-122 was a reward for supertesters, so RU only. T-44-85 was going to be a normal premium tank, but then it got shelved.

 

Ok thanks.

 

 

View PostHerr_Putin, on 09 September 2014 - 10:29 PM, said:

 

 You're pretty much getting 100% crap in the shape of an T-43, after that you're getting 50% crap in the form of an T-44 and after that, you're getting super-sweet T-54 ;)

 

Great, well the T-54 and then the Obj 140/T62a are the ultimate aims so I suppose some pain was inevitable on the way.

 

I suppose I'm used to the crap penetration on the Comet so plenty of premium rounds in the tank then. 






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