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Shaka_D #1 Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:23 PM

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Something different.

I know there was a forum post a while back on Wargaming providing financial backing in the search for missing buried spitfires in Burma. It seems now they have withdrawn their support, I read this article on MSN.

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A geology expert hunting for dozens of Spitfires allegedly buried in Burma said he would not give up the search for the Second World War fighter planes after the venture's backers dismissed the theory.
Belarusian global video gaming company Wargaming.net, which funded the high-profile hunt for the Spitfires said on Friday none of the legendary planes was buried in the south-east Asian country.
But the excavation teams carrying out surveys on the ground said on Saturday night that they would not abandon the search and were still conducting surveys near the international airport in Rangoon, Burma's main city, as well as the northern town of Mytikina.

"I am very confident that the planes are buried in both places. Excavation is a time-consuming task, but I strongly believe that we will be able to extract the planes," said Soe Thein, a retired geology professor who has helped in the recovery operation.

Htoo Htoo Zaw, whose company is partnered with British aviation enthusiast David Cundall in the search, said representatives from Wargaming.net left before the survey was complete and could not say definitively whether there were planes or not.

The reputation of the Spitfire, Britain's most famous combat aircraft, was cemented during the Battle of Britain, when the fast-moving single-seater aircraft helped beat back waves of German fighters and bombers. Britain built a total of about 20,000 Spitfires, although the dawn of the jet age at the end of the war meant the propeller planes quickly became obsolete.

The hunt for the lost planes was launched amid hope that as many as 140 rare Spitfires were hidden in crates in pristine condition in three locations in Burma.

But Wargaming.net said on Friday that the planes were never even delivered to the country by Allied forces as the war drew to a close nearly 70 years ago.

"The Wargaming team now believes, based on clear documentary evidence, as well as the evidence from the fieldwork, that no Spitfires were delivered in crates and buried" in Burma between 1945 and 1946, the statement said.

Archival records indicated that the British unit handling shipments at the time received only 37 aircraft, but "none of the crates contained Spitfires and most appear to have been re-exported," said the company, best known for its multiplayer titles including World of Warplanes and World of Tanks. Moreover, "appalling weather" and shortages of heavy equipment and manpower would have made it "almost impossible" to bury the massive crates, the company said.

Edited by jinx_uk, 17 February 2013 - 08:24 PM.


Silentstalker #2 Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:27 PM

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*shrugs*

Shit happens. This wasn't a business venture anyway, it was a WG-funded vacation with an Indiana Jones twist.

BueloProductions #3 Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:31 PM

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Adverse publicity?
Are you angry at WG?
Well like everyone with an E50 & E50M, after the surprise in the new test server ... stealth nerfs beyond stupidity.

Edited by BueloProductions, 17 February 2013 - 08:35 PM.


mondog #4 Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:37 PM

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Shame. Should have checked the shipping manifests first maybe! Would like to see there evidence all the same.

Homer_J #5 Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:39 PM

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WG left after 2 days and digging a trench in the wrong place from what I read in more informed circles.

CaptainMastiff #6 Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:47 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 17 February 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

WG left after 2 days and digging a trench in the wrong place from what I read in more informed circles.

Pretty sure I read in the Guardian at some point this week that there were no records to suggest the planes arrived at that airport in the first place.

Grimdope #7 Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:48 PM

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They got a ton of exposure in the media over here so it's no all bad.

View PostSilentstalker, on 17 February 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

*shrugs*

Shit happens. This wasn't a business venture anyway, it was a WG-funded vacation with an Indiana Jones twist.

Those planes if they existed were valued £1-3 million each apparently, the Burmese government wanted 30% that would have left a healthy wedge for WG.

Dragokar #8 Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:52 PM

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Well I hope they find something nice without WG ;)

Homer_J #9 Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:58 PM

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View PostCaptainMastiff, on 17 February 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:



Pretty sure I read in the Guardian at some point this week that there were no records to suggest the planes arrived at that airport in the first place.

That's like saying there are no elephants because I can't see any in my garden.

Records were not kept well, there being a war on and all, and those that were kept were on paper and did not always make it back to London. There are several dozen Spitfire unaccounted for, that we do know.

The most intriguing piece of information though is a communication from the base commander saying "what shall I do with these Spitfires?".

zmeul #10 Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:08 PM

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Burma's jungle is OP, maybe WG should take a 2nd look at the terrain and re-make it for 0.8.x engine  :Smile_trollface-3:

ps: the plane that won the Battle for Britain was the Hawker Hurricane, not the SpitFire

Edited by zmeul, 17 February 2013 - 09:12 PM.


Ecotech #11 Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:28 PM

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Zmeul, maybe sooner or later some enthusiast will restart production of the Spitfire, just like they did with the Me 262.

zmeul #12 Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:31 PM

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View PostEcotech, on 17 February 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

and will say "Made in Belarus"  :Smile_trollface-3:

Ecotech #13 Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:38 PM

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And sell it on World of Warplanes as premium :P

Ar fii in stare gozerii astia...

zmeul #14 Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:46 PM

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View PostEcotech, on 17 February 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

dude what he hell .. don't give them ideas


I wonder where they'll sink more of people's money next ... try to surface the french fleet Churchill ordered to be sunk at Mers-el-Kébir?
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slow216mac #15 Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:47 PM

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View Postzmeul, on 17 February 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

ps: the plane that won the Battle for Britain was the Hawker Hurricane, not the SpitFire

Yeah.
The Spit was slightly faster and more maneuverable than the Hurricane, but was less sturdy and much more difficult to repair.
The reason the Spit got the glory was mostly politics, I believe. It was NEW, it had a different structural design.
Frankly, they needed people to BELIEVE in something, to make something the symbol of defiance.
And if you have the choice of a 'stodgy, fabric-covered' and a 'shiny, new' plane...
Also, Hurricanes were mostly designated to intercept bombers, while the Spits went after escorts.

wsatnutter #16 Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:48 PM

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WARGAMING WAS AFTER CHEAP PUBLICITY  for wowp

as usual they never followed up a usual pattern of investigation


look at the manifests if there is a desciption of a british civil servant it is a "pen pusher"

everything manifested we always cross the Ts and dot the I's
but heyho another wargaming F--------p

Warenwolf #17 Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:50 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 17 February 2013 - 08:58 PM, said:

Records were not kept well, there being a war on and all, and those that were kept were on paper and did not always make it back to London. There are several dozen Spitfire unaccounted for, that we do know.


See the contradiction here? If the records were not kept well, how exactly would anyone know how many Spitfires are unaccounted for? Just to clarify my position - i think record keeping was good enough to not lose track of a huge number of expensive Spitfires (enough to arm 7 - 8 squadrons?). We are not talking about a can of beans dropping of the back of a truck exactly...

Anyway, the search has been called off. Archaeologist working on the site think that idea of 124 Spitfires being buried in Burma is just a myth.

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View Postjinx_uk, on 17 February 2013 - 08:23 PM, said:

"The Wargaming team now believes, based on clear documentary evidence, as well as the evidence from the fieldwork, that no Spitfires were delivered in crates and buried" in Burma between 1945 and 1946, the statement said.

Archival records indicated that the British unit handling shipments at the time received only 37 aircraft, but "none of the crates contained Spitfires and most appear to have been re-exported," said the company, best known for its multiplayer titles including World of Warplanes and World of Tanks. Moreover, "appalling weather" and shortages of heavy equipment and manpower would have made it "almost impossible" to bury the massive crates, the company said.

Are these the same documents that said the FV215b was a heavy tank that used a 120mm gun?

Edited by Gobrot, 17 February 2013 - 10:39 PM.


Lemmingtrain #19 Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:45 PM

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I recommend reading/following PPRuNe to get some background on the story:  

http://www.pprune.or...-spitfires.html

Post 52 onwards is worth a look re the background and funding for the dig.

Kellomies #20 Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:52 PM

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View Postzmeul, on 17 February 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

I wonder where they'll sink more of people's money next ... try to surface the french fleet Churchill ordered to be sunk at Mers-el-Kébir?
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Yeah, there sure is much left of those boats down there. *eyeroll*




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