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bach01 #1 Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:16 PM

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which gun do you guys use on this? 370dmg derp,180dmg derp or pen gun?

Tjappi0 #2 Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:30 PM

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I played the 370dmg derp ;)
The others are OK, but they didnt stand out that much.

TriXKrakeN #3 Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:09 PM

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3.7 inch. He is much better.

zeppo #4 Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:11 PM

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I was pretty satisfied with the performance of the 3,7inch howitzer with a mixed ammo stash HE + Gold after i rushed to the 25 pounder and it failed completly (no dmg with AP HE or Gold, the penetration is redicoulus on both ammo types(AP,GOLD).
The major downside of the howitzer is the "funny" "shell flyingtime" you can watch it fly towards your target and count to three after it "hits" to see some dmg numbers ;)

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HubertGruber #5 Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:24 PM

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QF6.

taattis #6 Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:30 PM

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I am using the quick firing 6 pounder.

Rautaa #7 Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:30 PM

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3,7 inch howitzer. It's a better hit-and-run gun than the 6-pdr, so it suits the Alecto. Had some pretty epic battles with it...

The so-called "AT Howitzer" is so bad, it should just be removed from the game.

ammarmar #8 Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:42 PM

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This vehicle has no best gun. It doesn't even have a good gun - all are bad for its tier. Its strength is speed but what fun is it to drive a tank destroyer that can't destroy tanks properly...?

Ozymandias #9 Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:45 PM

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I don't intend on ever firing a single gold shell so I can't comment as to gun performance with gold ammo. However, I am addicted to derp guns so I overlooked the 6-pdr so quickly it wasn't even funny. Now as to the other two derps, let's see. I was initially excited by the 25-pdr since it has a great RoF and quite decent accuracy for a derp. But the thing is using it with AP shots is dumb because the pen is too low. Spamming HE makes sense but the damage is low. Also it lacks the 1-shot potential of the 3.7 inch gun which makes a big difference when you're driving a fragile vehicle like the Alecto, as one-shotting your opponent means that he won't have a change to cause you any damage (apart from the fun factor). I tried the 25-pdr with pure HE on a few battles and while I could cause damage (relatively high RoF and decent accuracy), I would get less kills, plus if I ever got into a brawling match I would die faster than light. So I've ended up using the 3.7 inch which is a good derp gun (pretty accurate for a derp too) but has the drawback of the low shell speed and "weird" firing angle. Sure, sometimes you can actually shoot at tanks behind cover but it's pretty much useless for shooting at moving targets. If the 3.7 inch fired like the 25-pdr (i.e in a straight line) it would be a no brainer. As things stand, I still prefer the 3.7 but it takes getting used to.

Things might be vastly different regarding the 25-pdr if used with gold ammo though. Like I said I'm against it so I never use it, ergo I cannot comment.

joyuesp #10 Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:46 PM

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for flanking tactics and oneshotting light tanks 3.7 is a beast.

gazzer21 #11 Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:06 PM

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no gun on this tank is good, all are lacking big time in one area or other.

6 pdr lacks any alph damage
25 pdr lacks any Penetration worth having
and the 3.7 well Accuracy and flight time thats a joke.

I ended up back at the 6 pdr and was glad to get out of this tank,
Tank is nice , with a good gun it would be great , if 6 pdr did 100-110 damage it would rock

joyuesp #12 Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:17 PM

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last 2 battles i played before i elited it and change to the at2.
http://mwreplays.com/newreplaysimg/48ca201dbe6e3b8542ad2023bf680368.png
http://mwreplays.com/newreplaysimg/5d8e880e712405e120451b597ef48baf.png

derping the sides of enemy tanks is really effective.

Listy #13 Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:23 PM

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I tried the 25Lbr, and although at Tier IV games your a killer, I found that long range shooting (something an Alecto is built for) is really impossible. Add in in higher tier games, although I was conistantly doing damage, I felt that I could have done better with the 6Pdr.

So I've gone back to the 6Pdr, but everyone is going to have their own views, as there is no "best" option. there is only "best for me".

Rautaa #14 Posted 19 March 2013 - 11:06 PM

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View Postbach01, on 19 March 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

Thanks for the answers.What about the AT-2 which has the same guns? it s kinda lacking in pen at T5, so derp might be more use then?

6-pdr all the way. It's fast and accurate, so just aim at weak spots.

With the Alecto you want to stay hidden, hit hard, and then run. With the AT 2 you actually want the enemy to notice you spamming 57mm shells at them and focus on trying to damage you. An unspotted AT 2 is doing it wrong.

michellesrack #15 Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:08 AM

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Absolutely the worst-armed tier 4 TD in the game. Nearly every game is a tier 6 & it's incapable of penning anything.
One game today, I hit a KV-1S in the ass 13 times with the 25pdr/HE and did precisely 62 damage. Yet a tier 2 can kill Alecto from infront with 1 shot.

This is from a Widepark game tonight, where my team were over the railway, raping the opposition so quick I never even got a shot off. Arrived at their base & found a KV-1 afk:

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That's 8 shots, mixed AP & HE, in the ass at point blank range with a so-called "Tier 5" derp gun. 6 pens, 2 critical hits but 0 damage!!

I just hope the ATs are worth the grind cos this thing is a serious downer. :(

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Rautaa #16 Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:16 AM

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View Postmichellesrack, on 07 May 2013 - 03:08 AM, said:

Absolutely the worst-armed tier 4 TD in the game.

There are 6 tier IV TD's in the game. 3 of them have a 105mm HEAT howitzer, so that part is true. The other 3 (including the Alecto) have rather comparable weapons. Alecto has mobility and view range as an advantage. Apart from the HEAT derps, I really don't see the issue you describe.

View Postmichellesrack, on 07 May 2013 - 03:08 AM, said:

Nearly every game is a tier 6 & it's incapable of penning anything.

Confirmation bias: It gets normal tier 4 matchmaking, and tier 6 battles are in the minority of those battles. Tier 4 is populated well enough to be full at most times. Also, if you aren't "penning anything", you are doing it wrong.

View Postmichellesrack, on 07 May 2013 - 03:08 AM, said:

One game today, I hit a KV-1S in the *** 13 times with the 25pdr/HE and did precisely 62 damage.

Stop using the 25-pdr then. Don't blame the Alecto if you mount the wrong gun on it.

View Postmichellesrack, on 07 May 2013 - 03:08 AM, said:

Yet a tier 2 can kill Alecto from infront with 1 shot.

Good thing you never have to face T18's then...

View Postmichellesrack, on 07 May 2013 - 03:08 AM, said:

That's 8 shots, mixed AP & HE, in the *** at point blank range with a so-called "Tier 5" derp gun. 6 pens, 2 critical hits but 0 damage!!

I hope you learned your lesson? Stop using the bad 25-pdr and mount one of the useful guns. And no, the 25-pdr is not a tier 5 derp gun. It's not a derp gun at all. In fact, it's no gun at all, just a waste of exp and credits.

TL;DR: The post contained a lot of whine without any actual content.

PowJay #17 Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:19 AM

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If you pop over to the vehicle forum- you will later, because this thread will be moved there- you will find the thread- "Tips for Alecto"

On page two of this thread- http://forum.worldof...to/page__st__20 - you will find my post from the other day with screen shots- which is why I am not simply copying and pasting my information.

1494 damage with the 6pdr. 25 hits- including moving targets- 21 penetrations. Lots of non-hits, but that is explained in the thread.

Alecto is fast becoming a potential keeper for me.

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the 25-pdr is not a tier 5 derp gun.
You must be playing some other game. Mine lists the 25pdr as tier 5 & top gun for the Alecto.And at least 70% of my games are against heavies like KV, 1S & M6. Maybe if your winrate goes below 50% you get all these tier 4 battles you claim, but I  find that as soon as I hit 60% I get 10 games in a row against gold-spamming Hetzers, T49 platoons and/or multiple KVs.

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Don't blame the Alecto if you mount the wrong gun on it.
The problem is, there's no "right" gun. It's a TD that can only destroy lower tier tanks. Whatever you mount, Alecto is at least 2 tiers worse than the awesome SU-85B (which eats KV for breakfast), and at least 1 tier worse than Hetzer and M8A1.Of course WoT screwed up the real-life design, in which the gun faced backwards, making it a true shoot-and-scoot TD, which would have been unique in the game and rather interesting to play. Instead, like every other low-tier TD, when spotted you have to slowly rotate 180 degrees before being 1-shotted, or reverse slowly backward before being 1-shotted.

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The post contained a lot of whine without any actual content.
The post contained my OPINION in a thread devoted to the topic I was addressing. Seems you can't stand for free-thinking ppl to disagree with your OPINION. Grow up.

@PowJay.
Some constructive comment. Thank you.

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how2skate_com #19 Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:36 AM

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3.7 is pretty okay, stay back behind a ridge and you can shoot over it in an arc. You can shoot them, they can't shoot you.

Imho this is not a fast flank tank as many people say, it's just too vulnerable. Run into an enemy and you're dead.

malachi6 #20 Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:04 AM

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25 pounder is fun when you loop it over a hill crest and kill guy on reverse slope. Getting accused of cheating is just a bonus.