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Taschenflak #261 Posted 30 December 2010 - 10:42 PM

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View Postgorlock, on 30 December 2010 - 10:17 PM, said:

Well. I have a t54 and consider myself a decent driver. A clanmate (who is also a decent driver) in his panther II and myself went into some training match to do some testing. We pretty much figured out that they each have their benefits and overall are evenly matched when both are fully upgraded. I will agree that unupgraded, the t54 is superior.


Could you please be so kind as to list the "benefits", that the panther 2 has over T-54?

TempSGK #262 Posted 30 December 2010 - 10:50 PM

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Panther 2 fully upgraded-
Better overall damaging gun
Better accuracy
Tall allowing hull down positions
Better acceleration (not so sure yet)
More Healthpoints
better view range
Better Aiming time
Ability to piviot on the spot

Some of these advantages are not really much BUT they are STILL advantages.

Taschenflak #263 Posted 30 December 2010 - 10:51 PM

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View PostPinesgkpang, on 30 December 2010 - 09:31 PM, said:

T54 is best at killing lower tanks, guess where all that hate is coming from.   It can bounce shots from all lower Medium tanks except Panther.

It readily bounces both the 10.5 on Panther 2, as well as the 128mm on JT that has an average of 276 pen if my memory serves me right. Unless  you hit the lower side of glacis, which is 1) impossible at close range due to slope, and 2) impossible when the tank is angled.

Then, compare the size of the "weak spot" on this tank's front with others and it's pretty hillarious. People keep pointing out that "hay it has weak spotz!!1" and forget to mention that the weak spot still has 120 armor and is two pixels large, compared to 2x1m and possibly two digits of armor on other tanks.

Also, it shines at killing any tanks, period.

TempSGK #264 Posted 30 December 2010 - 10:55 PM

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No any bounce is bad aim, I assure you!  T54 and T44 frontal armour combine with slope allows allows for alot of bad aim, also if you take into account how small the T54 is along with the mobility it got.  2 word : Bad Aim.

EDit: I'm gonna guess AP Shell penetration is reduce the more far the range, so possibility that shooting T54 armour at rane won't penetrate.

GinGinLime #265 Posted 30 December 2010 - 11:22 PM

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Cba going bk in thread to find post but someone mentioned IS4 being forced into corner by T54 to not be circled, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that and a smart IS4 would be backing up against a Pershing and Panther2 as well. Doing that forces the T9 med to fight you like a heavy , exposing the  IS4 sides only at most and forcing the med to move so you'll hit him.  If the T54 still lost even when able to circle then it's only real use would be beating up lower tiers and meds would remain the ugly sisters of heavies.

tankomaniac #266 Posted 30 December 2010 - 11:37 PM

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View PostAsky, on 30 December 2010 - 10:31 PM, said:

:lol::lol:  No offense sir, but how old are you? How can somebody want a tank to be intentionally OP just so he can exploit beta? It makes no sense since everybody would use that OP tank, so you won't own nobody. Many  people hate t-54 because they don't understand what tier 9 means and they can't aim

Im 5 year old, and btw dont whine, t54 got nerf :) adept or die.
Even in beta people expoliting (lack in mechanic game code - advantage vs others) Dont be funy who want pay in future monthly fee for game where a lot lack in gameplay, you think t55 is to weak or maby balanced ? t54 mania in every topic.

Benaulim #267 Posted 30 December 2010 - 11:54 PM

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I think it will be tweaked. Seriously, even for me - as a dedicated driver of T-44/54s - it feels a little too fast and its frontal turret armor somewhat too strong. Especially when my T-54 runs into a hostile one of its own kind. To quote myself: "I am not afraid of aggressively engaging an IS-3 or a KT anymore, I do still avoid getting close to t9 and switch to HE when targetting t10 just to be on the safe side."

Then again if they nerfed it too bad it would just be a T-44, wouldn't it?

The moment people rush a T-54 with more than one tank instead of exercising stationary shootouts they will realise it has got weak spots and learn how to destroy it. Last but not least this game is about teamplay. If the threat of the T-54s promotes this once again we might even be thankful. On the other hand as soon as T-54s start to team up and actually perform fast flanking maneuvers as they're meant to people will hate them even more.

Tanitha #268 Posted 30 December 2010 - 11:57 PM

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Its a T9 tank, I have one that's elite with 100% crew etc., it cant 1v1 a IS4 or a vk4502 two tanks also on its same EXP cost / Credit cost, and tier.
So based on that I wouldn't conciser it OP.

I also wouldn't expect it to 1v1 T9 heavies, because it has speed. So if its sitting in the middle of the map, it can easily go cap if needed, or go back and defend the base if needed. It has the speed to move around quickly and easily.

Ive not really had 1v1 games against the US and German T9 mediums. So I cant really compare it to other T9 mediums sorry.
But i know there was lots of testing on the T9 mediums in test battles. Like
10 T54's V 10 P2's (12 games a side i think) I dont know the results of that one.
10 T54's V 10 IS4's (12 games a side think) I tested in this one, playing both a IS4 1/2 the time and a T54 1/2 the time.
The T54's won one game when they caught the IS4's sleeping on the other side of the map and capped. The rest of the games the T54's were slaughtered (all killed).
+ lots of other combination's i didn't partake in or see the results for.

So, nerf bat? I dont know, but I cant really see why one is needed.
What will I play on release? I'm not sure any more.
Maybe a IS7, still. Its the top T10 tank IMO.
Maybe a T54, with arty backup.
IE the T54 scouts, while the arty kills, and the T54 can take hits long enough for the arty to kill what its scouted.
or. Maybe arty, I'll start playing arty seriously soon, I've not really played it much yet, just a few hummel games, because I prefer the tanks. But while its beta i should give them a serious tryout.

All the above is just a "players" perspective.

theta0123 #269 Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:01 AM

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and these so called players perspectives give false info to other people. Wich makes people think this game is majorly imbalanced

wich is not

i havent battled the T54 much... so i still leave my jugdement.

I saw a platoon of 2 of these smash trough half of my team

But i also saw a full platoon of 3 being killed by 2 KT's and one VK 3001 P wich defended its sides/rear

TempSGK #270 Posted 31 December 2010 - 12:27 AM

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T54 is very good against lower tiers, since they guns can't penetrate, against higher tiers that's a different story.   Instead of nerfing the T54 I would say Buff the Panther 2 and Pershing front armour so lower tiers can't penetrate frontally.

Or if they want to nerf T54, Please nerf front armour!!! nothing else thankyou.

Cocox #271 Posted 31 December 2010 - 01:14 AM

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The T-54 is ahead of it's time in this game. The devs need to balance the game while keeping some historical accuracy. The T-54 is leagues above any WW II tank. My opinion: it should be removed..

Else, in 1-2 years everyone will be driving Abrams, T-90, Leopard IIs and Merkavas 1 shooting less fortunate enemies brought in by the matchmaking system.. :Smile_harp:

Bellzybub #272 Posted 31 December 2010 - 01:16 AM

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I really think the Dev's tried to balance the new T-9 meds in terms of speed, damage, damage taken so on and so forth, atleast on paper. But what i don't think they realized is that the P2 and the Persh are house's compared to the super low profile of the T-54, thus making it very hard to hit and hit effectively. So the question is how would you go about balancing that out, lower overall hp, lower effective armor?

@ The guy that said "A 704 bounced 2 shots off me" Well bud i've bounced my BL-10 off of every tank in this game atleast twice, and im sure everyone else has too. I believe that's a flaw in game mechanics.

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Orkel2 #273 Posted 31 December 2010 - 01:19 AM

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made me lol

Finchy #274 Posted 31 December 2010 - 01:23 AM

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Some really good points made itt. Why would they nerf it when most of its battles are against tier 9-10 heavies. I think what needs to happen is the other 2 Tier 9 mediums should get buffs IF they need them. Personally I have not used any of these tanks yet but from what I have been told/seen The T-54 is perfect.

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that battle was nice :)

slindagor #276 Posted 31 December 2010 - 01:42 AM

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t54 is a great tank, panter II and pershing also, i hope they wont ruin it with anything (higher repair cost etc.)
i think all 3 tank is almoast equal, 1 to 1 the panther II or Pershing or T54 can win the battle, almoast the player experience what is count

Manetoz #277 Posted 31 December 2010 - 02:05 AM

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A game I was in where 6 T-54 got 1 kill between them... and the side with 5 T-54 lost. The heavies won easily.
http://img27.imagesh...i/shot006w.jpg/

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If we go by the theory that developers balance tanks by health-points, then if every tier 9 medium would have the same amount of health. T54 would be the best tank and Panther 2 the worst, since it have the highest amount of health-points.  :Smile_great:

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Today on the desert map there were 2 t 54's and they killed half our team and later on when i was near there cap i spotted 1 still at 100% while it has been in close range combat with perhaps 6 other heavy tanks.

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T-54 is producing an almost ridiculous amount of bounces (even from the body armor) or zero damage hits (valid hits on side armor/body but no damage at all). Thus it is way more forgiving about piloting mistakes (which kill you in most other tanks). I've had situation where the T-54 driver is pretty bad and I could really damage (70% - 80& damage) the T-54 or almost take it out (because his support kills you before) in a Panther, but as soon as the driver has some skill and knows what he is doing it can rip through almost anything and the T54 can rout the whole opposing team (seen matches in which two T-54 took out way heavier teams with multiple minimouse etc). The only weakness is the ammo rack hit but that is not more likely than system failure in other tanks. Considering that 4 hits on my Panther often take out gunner, loader + gun and ammo rack or a frontal hit by a Pz4 on my KT sets the tank on fire this is a pretty small weakness imo especially when one takes into account that it is hard to get a good angle on that small t54 turret when he is moving like crazy.




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