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Greeebo #41 Posted 29 March 2013 - 03:15 PM

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I believe that T71 is hard to master, or even only get used to.
However, it's incredible fun to play, so more people are willing to spend time with it and then you can see obvious difference between T71 and other tanks.
T71 on battlefield is more likely to be pain in your ass than other random tank which somebody is driving to only grind through, but that's not neccesarily because it's OP.

Zalmoxis91 #42 Posted 29 March 2013 - 03:18 PM

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lol @ the OP

17k games and gets taken out by a T71 in solo fights. This is just shameful, unless you have a very slow TD.

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View Postbeercritch, on 29 March 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

The main problem I see is that small targets have a very high chance of not being damaged by big tanks, not the damage they deal. This improves their "survivability" greatly.

Dont this its true? Well it must be as there is a fix on the way in 8.5

http://forum.worldof...xtract-from-85/

So I would do nothing to high tier scouts until we see exactly how effective this bug fix is, but expect to see many more scouts getting 1 shot killed after 8.5.

That patch note is about ramming damage, so there won't be any big change.
(I know, that English is almost as bad as mine.)

Souperman #44 Posted 29 March 2013 - 03:52 PM

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View PostMaj_Solo, on 29 March 2013 - 09:02 AM, said:

Well I think that the whole point with these autoloaders is to teach you that you should not be alone and or not become isolated at a point where you will have NO support fire from ANYWHERE.

And that taking them out is a priority. And that doing that is rather easy since they have less armour. Except the amx light and meds they seem to have enough armor for their class and are able to soak up damage from being hit by heavies. I think it takes too long time to kill these amxes but on the other hand they are tier 7 and 8 so ....... hmmm

well ...... as much as you are whining I will have to play T71 non stop then so I finnish it before next patch ......  :smile:
Who said something a pack of tanks with auto-loaders? Mano a mano, E-100 can shoot that only once while T57 would easily do 400x5 or whatever shells it has. While E-100 has 2700 HP, killing crew members, engine and maybe set you on fire just for fun for two times in a row.. now THAT'S FUN!!!

AEIOUMadden #45 Posted 29 March 2013 - 04:10 PM

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View Posttaattis, on 29 March 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Pretty damn easy even for a herpderp light driver like me who wastes every third game doing just about nothing.

That's pretty much my experience but I'm pretty terrible with any light so it just seems as difficult as the others to me. Just like any tank some come more naturally than others and I find I have to put a lot of effort into the T71 to do well with it.

purplehayes #46 Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:42 PM

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I may have been drinking when i started this topic. I still hate these auto-turds. forget ideas about them soloing me in my t7 heavy. clearly it was not 'solo' since the damage is 900 before they reload, but i still think this is bullshit. that they can do more damage than any same tier tank in a shorter space of time, that their penetration is enough that they don't even need to get around to the back. that half the time they don't even try to dodge because they know you are dead before you get your second shot. if you're playing reqular lights you HAVE to go to the back, you HAVE to dodge, and you CANNOT let them have a first shot never mind a second one. It would be fine if they fit what lights were before all the french showed up. And i wouldn't mind ANY of this, if i could use MY auto-loading gun on them, or rather auto-cannon i.e. coaxial machine guns as secondary weapons for shooting up these poorly armoured little buggers so they won't be so cocky in future. yes cocky. that's exactly what they are.

purplehayes #47 Posted 29 March 2013 - 07:49 PM

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View PostHeinzi, on 29 March 2013 - 07:50 AM, said:

Tier 7 tanks have 1100..1450hp, you can't just roll up next to them and do it alone with a ~900 average damage magazine.
You have to single out damaged or weak (lol TDs) ones, and pick them off like a vulture.

If its so OP get one yourself, though if you're a bad player you'll absolutely hate it.
SLIGHTLY damaged. so its ok that a t7 heavy can maybe get spotted by some douche t71 and arty splash the heavy for like 200 becuase he in cover so not a full hit, then the t71 can just go kill him easily. that's bullshit 80% hitpoints to frigging light tank. nothing 'light' about that. and again it wouldnt be so bad if they had to shoot in the rear but if you play tiger/t29 it doesnt matter about trying to keep front armour to him for a bounce/non-pen because they can pen you right in the front plate. bullshit

Edited by purplehayes, 29 March 2013 - 07:52 PM.


Gl0cK_17 #48 Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:02 PM

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I should really buy back a t71 at some point, was loads of fun when i was grinding my way to the t57 :)

purplehayes #49 Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:53 PM

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forget about the damage. I think it would be fine if they gave it roughly the same penetration as the 13/75. It doesn't need 175 pen to damage higher tier tanks in the sides and rear and it definitely doesn't need that much for the same tier. If it had similar pen to the AMX 1375 it would at least have some possibility of a bounce when shooting same tier heavies frontally, and would therefore have to go around to sides and rear like that kind of tank is SUPPOSED TO ANYWAY!

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View PostZalmoxis91, on 29 March 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

lol @ the OP

17k games and gets taken out by a T71 in solo fights. This is just shameful, unless you have a very slow TD.
You don't know anything. maybe not solo from both 100% and also depends on tanks. I don't recall giving any specifics so stfu. I have nothing to be ashamed of, whereas you, with average xp below 400, on the other hand...

LordofHara #51 Posted 29 March 2013 - 10:40 PM

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Please drive the T71 and AMX13/90. You will see:
           - tier difference
           - MM difference (however I am getting a shitload of tier X fights in T71)
           - damage difference (like stated in other posts the damage output is not the same)
           - penetration difference (you are shooting APCR but the pen isnt the same as AMX, no gold rounds taking into account)
Next the T71 isnt an easy tank to drive. No derp cannon, no armor (I mean NO armor, just look at it), MM sucks alot. When you get killed it is most of the time because a skilled player used the tank at his full potention or you werent paying attention towards the T71. Or just bad luck. Also your point about getting penned by the front in a Tiger or T29 is a bit strange. I think that every tier 7 tank can pen those two from the front. And if a T71 player is using gold shells than it is normal that the T71 pens you. Just try T71. Please.

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it's a bit silly to compare with the 13 75 as it's obviously a weak tank in that line. It got the same gun as the A;X 12t, so obviously that gun looks weak for it's tier.

There is no risk of the T71 getting nerfed anytime soon as Wargaming uses statistics as their main tool for figuring out wich tanks are too good and the stats for the T71 are not that hot.

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View PostZnail, on 30 March 2013 - 05:37 AM, said:

it's a bit silly to compare with the 13 75 as it's obviously a weak tank in that line. It got the same gun as the A;X 12t, so obviously that gun looks weak for it's tier.

There is no risk of the T71 getting nerfed anytime soon as Wargaming uses statistics as their main tool for figuring out wich tanks are too good and the stats for the T71 are not that hot.
It's supposed to be a light tank so it should be f*ing weak for tier because its job is spotting and distraction, and not killing the best tanks the enemy has all on its own (shouldn't even be possible)

Edited by purplehayes, 30 March 2013 - 09:58 AM.


purplehayes #54 Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:02 AM

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since these tanks get their bullshit 175 pen, plz WG console me to my satisfaction by giving the A20 100 pen so that it can go zipping around killing KV in just a few shots in similar fashion to what these buggers do...then the game will be balanced and fair?

purplehayes #55 Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:29 AM

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View PostFido__007, on 29 March 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

*Any means any, except A-20 :)


XVM tells me that the average kill rate for A-20 is 0.16. XVM also tells me that the average top players' kill rate for A-20 is 0.69. My kill rate for A-20 is 0.70. the A20 can be deadly. I fly with the L-11 gun which even being 8 penetration short of the T-50 top pen gun which it can also mount, has been enough to kill a very poorly Tiger, prevent a KT from capping, and even once, but only once, penetrate a KV in the engine at long range (300m+) with a normal AP shell for full 110 damage. the biggest difficulty is that you can't let anyone shoot at you EVER, except maybe another light tank you're chasing.

I think lights in general should not be able to really defy this rule like t71s which don't even need try and dodge when they go and kill a tank

Edited by purplehayes, 30 March 2013 - 10:39 AM.


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View Postpurplehayes, on 30 March 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:

It's supposed to be a light tank so it should be f*ing weak for tier because its job is spotting and distraction, and not killing the best tanks the enemy has all on its own (shouldn't even be possible)

T71 is not a scout. It is too large and not nimble enough to drive it. Again grind your way towards the T71. Play it and you will see it is not that OP. And why dont I see more of them if you think they are so powerfull (like the KV1-S who is in every tier 6 fight)

purplehayes #57 Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:51 AM

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you know in reality i don't even care how this tank plays in higher tier games because I only just bought my tier 8s, but I think it proper takes the Schmeichel in tier 7

purplehayes #58 Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:09 AM

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View PostLordofHara, on 30 March 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

T71 is not a scout. It is too large and not nimble enough to drive it. Again grind your way towards the T71. Play it and you will see it is not that OP. And why dont I see more of them if you think they are so powerfull (like the KV1-S who is in every tier 6 fight)
A20 is not much smaller and not very nimble either, but it gets no such nonsense firepower that let it frontally pen and easily kill all tanks of the same tier, before they can kill it. I think that should be how light tanks just are. and i didnt even say scout i said light tank.

Also if KV-1S is so awesomely powerful, lets do a little thought experiment to test that.

KV-1S vs T71.

T71 is the victor!
I don't even have to do the maths to prove this because you know it is true but with a little working out and the knowledge that KV-1S has just 810 hps and a MAXIMUM damage of 581 with HE, you can see that the T71 easily wins the fight and doesn't even have to dodge even if the kv1s gets the highest possible damage. also doesn't matter a jot where t71 shoots. Well excuse me but I think that is a pile of poo. anyway I have unlocked and bought it so I will see how this pile of poo actually plays but i am expecting my win rate to skyrocket with killrate rising to something like 10.00 before i recieve invitations from all the leading clans and am contracted to play as their captain in a televised world of tanks tournament. yes i think the problem really is that bad

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This argument is retarded.

the T71 has an altered MM due to its unique scout role in the game, due to that uniqueness it hardly ever ends up as a top tier tank.  It has to be a relatively good tier 7 because of this.  Basically, you might as well consider the T71 as a tier 8, just like to all intents and purposes you might as well consider the AMX 13 90 as a tier 9 for the purposes of match-making.  That's the reason it appears good when placed against other tier 7 tanks, it's because is HAS to be that good due to the tanks that it fights against in 19 out of 20 games.

When you face one in your tier 7 tank and there are T71's in some of the top-tier slots HE'S NOT A SCOUT IN THAT GAME, he's the equivalent of a Batchat 25t.  He's earned that right by being totally outgunned in the other 19 games he's just played against massively more powerful tanks.

Think of it like arty, a tier 8 arty is NOT equivalent to a tier 8 tank which is reflected in the MM it receives.  Why on earth do you think the scout tanks also receive a less favourable MM?  Basically, you're moaning that the T71 is too powerful to be a tier 7, which is exactly why WarGaming have given it the MM that they have, so that it rarely sees its own tier.

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The problem is people ignoring the lights they see on the minimap (IF it's turned on anyway)
Well, let him get behind you, whether it's called t21/71 amx series, vk2801, t50/50-2 and then ask for nerf, valid point.
I've killed e100 with t21 shooting his weakspot behind the turret with normal shells, now tell me t21 is op.




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