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SummerWars #81 Posted 29 December 2010 - 07:36 AM

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View PostmeNtalhead, on 29 December 2010 - 07:30 AM, said:

aha, sorry, my mistake! btw. you have jopax in your friend list? I know him personally :P
No I dont know him.

FangTwo #82 Posted 29 December 2010 - 07:42 AM

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I just got back to the game after not being about to play for about 6 days, so this is the first I've seen T-54's, but I'd just like to point out that with the IS-3 fully upgraded and 100% crew I've not been able to pen the T-54 frontal yet, and I've had plenty of chances. In fact tbh, I'm not sure I've managed to damage one at ALL yet. I may have gotten 1-2 hits in on the side but even 99% of the direct side shots I got dinged. Tank is obscenely OPed from what I've seen, esp since (once again) our wonderful Russian devs have gone and given the tank 21mm more frontal armor than it actually had. The tank is post-war by about two years anyways guys, why on God's name do you need to fudge the numbers in it's favor?

VooDooPC #83 Posted 29 December 2010 - 07:44 AM

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Most of my shots from the side seem to only track the T-54. It's low profile makes it seem like most of the side of the tank is all track.

meNtalhead #84 Posted 29 December 2010 - 07:45 AM

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View PostVooDooPC, on 29 December 2010 - 07:44 AM, said:

Most of my shots from the side seem to only track the T-54. It's low profile makes it seem like most of the side of the tank is all track.
Rollcage Stage 2 anyone? :D

SummerWars #85 Posted 29 December 2010 - 07:48 AM

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oh my god. Please stop complaining . IS3 can pen too. Lets do some test >< again

meNtalhead #86 Posted 29 December 2010 - 07:55 AM

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View PostSummerWars, on 29 December 2010 - 07:48 AM, said:

oh my god. Please stop complaining . IS3 can pen too. Lets do some test >< again
If my KT (which has weaker cannon than IS3) CAN pen it anywhere, then IS3 should have no problems... Or is T-54 IS3-proof?

VooDooPC #87 Posted 29 December 2010 - 08:26 AM

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I want to test shooting a T-54, anyone want to get shot in the name of science? I'll let you shoot me. :D

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View PostmeNtalhead, on 29 December 2010 - 07:55 AM, said:

If my KT (which has weaker cannon than IS3) CAN pen it anywhere, then IS3 should have no problems... Or is T-54 IS3-proof?

if its at close range the Kt would negate about 10o of angle due to its height compared to the IS-3

Journier #89 Posted 29 December 2010 - 09:40 AM

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View PostmeNtalhead, on 29 December 2010 - 07:30 AM, said:

aha, sorry, my mistake! btw. you have jopax in your friend list? I know him personally :P

Jopax is one of my friends as well. ^_^:Smile-izmena:


Did some more tests, completely unupgraded t-54 , front hull and front turret is penetratable (as long as you do not hit the more angled bits) by IS-3 BL-9 gun and up. The Gun mantle/ Gun are able to be penetrated as well apparently by BL-9.

I did a mock battle with the t-54 but he was completely unupgraded and it ended in me just tracking him 3 or so times while he was closing/ circling and he couldnt circle me due to no upgraded engine/tracks, and couldnt dmg me either in my is-3 till he was on my side/rear.

fully upgraded they really can move, circle and dance like crazy light tank since i get to enjoy that fight in pub games consistantly.

didnt get to do any more tests with summerwars didnt catch him sadly.

meNtalhead #90 Posted 29 December 2010 - 09:41 AM

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View Postazza10, on 29 December 2010 - 09:02 AM, said:

if its at close range the Kt would negate about 10o of angle due to its height compared to the IS-3
Ask someone to let you their T-54 to be shot in training and you'll see.

AdLav #91 Posted 29 December 2010 - 09:49 AM

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I'll gladly open a Training room for people to test the T54 armour, when the server is back on we'll try it :)

HolyGigi #92 Posted 29 December 2010 - 09:53 AM

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Got about 4-5 encounters yesterday with my IS7 vs T54. My crew is at 100%, with 1 skill at 100, and other at ~95%.  
From 130m+ i couldn't land one shot frontal. All dinged. From sides, i damaged the tracks, 0 damage. By the time the reload was done, so did his repairs. I was lucky I could use the environment to slow him down so I could kill him. I'm not saying a T54 can kill an IS7, uneless the is driver has some mental problems, but I'm more concerned when i see a T54 then when i see an AUSF B/Panther2/any US tanks.

The T54 has the speed of leopards, the armor of a tier 9 heavy and huge mobility.  Cant really find anything bad about it.

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View PostHolyGigi, on 29 December 2010 - 09:53 AM, said:

Got about 4-5 encounters yesterday with my IS7 vs T54. My crew is at 100%, with 1 skill at 100, and other at ~95%.  
From 130m+ i couldn't land one shot frontal. All dinged. From sides, i damaged the tracks, 0 damage. By the time the reload was done, so did his repairs. I was lucky I could use the environment to slow him down so I could kill him. I'm not saying a T54 can kill an IS7, uneless the is driver has some mental problems, but I'm more concerned when i see a T54 then when i see an AUSF B/Panther2/any US tanks.

The T54 has the speed of leopards, the armor of a tier 9 heavy and huge mobility.  Cant really find anything bad about it.
Digging around the forums and from my personal experience, it feels like that altough Panther 2 and Pershing are good as tier 9 mediums, T-54 is like a tier 10 medium, altough it IS highly penetrable by T8 heavies from the front, manual aim is needed and it's not easy to hit a 56kmh T-54 in it's small hull, your only bet is to lead him into your shots when he is circling you to detrack him or catch him off guard. That is for a number of reasons: It starts super good, you don't even have to upgrade to have the tank perform good, stock T-54 is everything you need, it has great speed, mobility and firepower, plus it seems to be overspecced compared to it's rivals, the Pershing and P2. Even WITHOUT tracks upgrade you can get radio, gun and turret, and it has a much lower xp requirements to go elite. Compared to the Panther 2, without spending 500 000 money to get the enhanced torsion bar, you are stuck with a panzer 4 gun and have to rack up 47250 exp just to get the 88, it's even worse when you think it's an imaginary tank and they could've just removed the limitation that the long 88 has to be mounted on the second turret. At current stage, I say that they leave the T-54 as it is, but at least buff the P2 and Pershing.
Will say more when I get the 105 and last engine for P2 and see how it performs against T-54.

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A KT can penetrate the T-54 front turret just fine just hit either to the left or right of the gun. If you can't penetrate the front hull try hitting it closer to the edges near the track skirts, and not in the center of the front hull.

SummerWars #95 Posted 29 December 2010 - 07:42 PM

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I made a mistake in those previous tests

Update: the lowest part of T54 frontal hull...can be pen at 129m...

Lupusceleri #96 Posted 29 December 2010 - 07:43 PM

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View PostmeNtalhead, on 29 December 2010 - 11:19 AM, said:

Digging around the forums and from my personal experience, it feels like that altough Panther 2 and Pershing are good as tier 9 mediums, T-54 is like a tier 10 medium, altough it IS highly penetrable by T8 heavies from the front, manual aim is needed and it's not easy to hit a 56kmh T-54 in it's small hull, your only bet is to lead him into your shots when he is circling you to detrack him or catch him off guard. That is for a number of reasons: It starts super good, you don't even have to upgrade to have the tank perform good, stock T-54 is everything you need, it has great speed, mobility and firepower, plus it seems to be overspecced compared to it's rivals, the Pershing and P2. Even WITHOUT tracks upgrade you can get radio, gun and turret, and it has a much lower xp requirements to go elite. Compared to the Panther 2, without spending 500 000 money to get the enhanced torsion bar, you are stuck with a panzer 4 gun and have to rack up 47250 exp just to get the 88, it's even worse when you think it's an imaginary tank and they could've just removed the limitation that the long 88 has to be mounted on the second turret. At current stage, I say that they leave the T-54 as it is, but at least buff the P2 and Pershing.
Will say more when I get the 105 and last engine for P2 and see how it performs against T-54.
Not getting tracks is a very bad idea for any med/light tank. You might be able to get away with it on TD/SPG/heavy but still not something I would do.

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Tested it, IS3 BL-9 gun can penetrate the frontal armour of T54 No Matter where you aim!!! (you name it, center front, bottom front any part of Front it can penetrate)

It can also penetrate the un-upgraded turret, 200mm.      (haven't tested for the upgraded turret yet, will test in future)

So I'm guessing any of you BL-9 users who bounce frontal T54 armour is just bad aim.


Guns that can't penetrate Frontal armour of T-54 are guns that have a penetration rating I believe below then 190mm.
And there are a lot of guns below 190mm so they are probably calling the T54 overpowered now.  
What the T54 can do is avoid lower tiers except the Panther.

There is a weak spot on T54, its the drivers hatch but its extremely hard to hit it.

FilipMinee #98 Posted 30 December 2010 - 02:24 AM

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yep there are quite a many weak spots on T54 they are just small and hard to hit , what you have to count for is that randomness in penetration values as well same shot will not always penetrate same spot just because of deferent penetration that shell can have.

Cygnus_A #99 Posted 30 December 2010 - 10:38 AM

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If you can penetrate the unupgraded turret then you can also penetrate the upgraded one. The upgraded turret has the same frontal turret armour, but it has some extra turret side armour.

Sykotic #100 Posted 30 December 2010 - 11:38 AM

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I had a game today in my T-44 where I was following an IS-7 and we ran in to another IS-7. The enemy IS-7 shot me twice from 30m straight on and both shots bounced. I am sure that annoyed him to no end, but does that prove that the T-44 is OP and needs to have it's armor nerfed?

No matter what the penetration values are there is also an element of chance as well. I have bounced shells on vehicles where even my lowest penetration value was higher than any armor value they had. To a certain extent there needs to be small element of chance in shot penetration to balance the game. It just sucks when you are on the wrong side of that chance.




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