ARL44 Garbage
Innocuous
09 May 2013
Personally I would dodge the 90mm DCA, it has poor alpha considering the amount of time it needs to aim and that level of penetration is not needed at that tier - if you're frontally taking on tier 8 heavies (only reason to use the DCA) they're going to pound you into the ground while you're still waiting for the circle to shrink. Either keep the 90mm F3 (decent penetration, much better aim time and better DPM) or use the 105 (has the alpha that makes the aim time worth the wait).
Other then that it's a decent tank - the frontal armour is very nice if the enemy are stupid enough not to shoot the turret and it isn't slow either - once you got the apartment block off it's head. Reverse and turning speed are not fast though, so don't charge into trouble or you won't be able to get out of it so easily. Also it's tracks fall off if anyone sneezes within 50m of you, so watch out for that.
Other then that it's a decent tank - the frontal armour is very nice if the enemy are stupid enough not to shoot the turret and it isn't slow either - once you got the apartment block off it's head. Reverse and turning speed are not fast though, so don't charge into trouble or you won't be able to get out of it so easily. Also it's tracks fall off if anyone sneezes within 50m of you, so watch out for that.
Reinman
09 May 2013
I have the same problem with the ARL as with the BDR. I always roll a bad team, that gets ROFL-stomped. Guess the french line is cursed for me ;).
armatage
10 May 2013
ARL 44 - 130 battles, 64,6% WR... it was more like 69% but i wasnt playing for 2 months and now my overall winratio is like 30%, hehe. And its not even pimped, 100% crew but no skills, no equipment. Like some people said, 90mm F3 is more than enough penetration-wise, decent speed, suprising armor - has drawbacks, but very, very solid tank!
IronSpear
13 May 2013
lecoche, on 07 May 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:
Please be honest, I am speaking about standard issued garlbage, not overpimped, supercrewed ARL 
I certainly hope, gold and multi-skills 
can transform a hopeless tank into something else.
Ok the tank is relatively fast. I give you that, not kv-1s level but not far.. if you don't change direction.
Still you call the 212 penetration gun, an accurate gun
with a bullet going dead center of the circle once in a lifetime? It has exactly the same accuracy than the top gun of the amx 13 90. 
not exactly the gun for sniping.
Good frontal armor? Ok you just miss the point, that, the turret is weak. The whole cursed turret, mantlet included. While you have to shoot enemy driver viewport, or cupola, the enemy only has to shoot your turret.
Cheap shells? I dare to say the right price, for the delivered performance.
Good penetration? Still bounce, ricochet against same tier.
Long aiming time, lousy accuracy, average damage, low Rof, low armor(), still need to aim to penetrate gun( and then hope the bullet will land where you aimed). DPS wise you are screwed.
So you will lose against kv1s(moving target), kv2 (same gun with better damage
, and german (they can angle, so you have to shoot weakspot, yours is bigger than theirs, they shoot faster and are more accurate, and they can hide, you can't , M6 (same gun, your weakspot is bigger
At the end of the day (and at the start too) accuracy/pen will always mess you up, no matter how high it states it is, you will bounce, ricochet, 0 dmg, so you will lose, because your ROF/damage is abysmall,
I certainly hope, gold and multi-skills can transform a hopeless tank into something else.Ok the tank is relatively fast. I give you that, not kv-1s level but not far.. if you don't change direction.
Still you call the 212 penetration gun, an accurate gun
with a bullet going dead center of the circle once in a lifetime? It has exactly the same accuracy than the top gun of the amx 13 90. not exactly the gun for sniping.Good frontal armor? Ok you just miss the point, that, the turret is weak. The whole cursed turret, mantlet included. While you have to shoot enemy driver viewport, or cupola, the enemy only has to shoot your turret.
Cheap shells? I dare to say the right price, for the delivered performance.
Good penetration? Still bounce, ricochet against same tier.
Long aiming time, lousy accuracy, average damage, low Rof, low armor(), still need to aim to penetrate gun( and then hope the bullet will land where you aimed). DPS wise you are screwed.
So you will lose against kv1s(moving target), kv2 (same gun with better damage
, and german (they can angle, so you have to shoot weakspot, yours is bigger than theirs, they shoot faster and are more accurate, and they can hide, you can't , M6 (same gun, your weakspot is bigger At the end of the day (and at the start too) accuracy/pen will always mess you up, no matter how high it states it is, you will bounce, ricochet, 0 dmg, so you will lose, because your ROF/damage is abysmall,
I do not even have to have the tank to call bullshit on this. How the hell you manage to bounce with 212 pene on tier 6 ? What are you talking about with the weak spots ? With that penetration value you can just aim dead on on IS frontally and it will go through. That is more penetration value then top gun on the Tiger.
That is more then VK has on the gold Konisch ammo that goes through any tier 8 !! heavy. Is this some lame troll attempt ?
smpelle
13 May 2013
Now got unlocked 105mm and DCA and that 3.4sec aimtime does not work for me, maybe with vents and GLD but dont have credits, F3 is enaugh in t8 battles and i prefer rof.
One thing more, arty will love you and t5 will gonna oneshot you.
One thing more, arty will love you and t5 will gonna oneshot you.
KrauzerII
14 May 2013
lecoche, on 07 May 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:
Please be honest, I am speaking about standard issued garlbage, not overpimped, supercrewed ARL I certainly hope, gold and multi-skills can transform a hopeless tank into something else.
Ok the tank is relatively fast. I give you that, not kv-1s level but not far.. if you don't change direction.
Still you call the 212 penetration gun, an accurate gun with a bullet going dead center of the circle once in a lifetime? It has exactly the same accuracy than the top gun of the amx 13 90. not exactly the gun for sniping.
Good frontal armor? Ok you just miss the point, that, the turret is weak. The whole cursed turret, mantlet included. While you have to shoot enemy driver viewport, or cupola, the enemy only has to shoot your turret.
Cheap shells? I dare to say the right price, for the delivered performance.
Good penetration? Still bounce, ricochet against same tier.
Long aiming time, lousy accuracy, average damage, low Rof, low armor(), still need to aim to penetrate gun( and then hope the bullet will land where you aimed). DPS wise you are screwed.
So you will lose against kv1s(moving target), kv2 (same gun with better damage , and german (they can angle, so you have to shoot weakspot, yours is bigger than theirs, they shoot faster and are more accurate, and they can hide, you can't , M6 (same gun, your weakspot is bigger
At the end of the day (and at the start too) accuracy/pen will always mess you up, no matter how high it states it is, you will bounce, ricochet, 0 dmg, so you will lose, because your ROF/damage is abysmall,
I certainly hope, gold and multi-skills can transform a hopeless tank into something else.Ok the tank is relatively fast. I give you that, not kv-1s level but not far.. if you don't change direction.
Still you call the 212 penetration gun, an accurate gun
with a bullet going dead center of the circle once in a lifetime? It has exactly the same accuracy than the top gun of the amx 13 90. not exactly the gun for sniping.Good frontal armor? Ok you just miss the point, that, the turret is weak. The whole cursed turret, mantlet included. While you have to shoot enemy driver viewport, or cupola, the enemy only has to shoot your turret.
Cheap shells? I dare to say the right price, for the delivered performance.
Good penetration? Still bounce, ricochet against same tier.
Long aiming time, lousy accuracy, average damage, low Rof, low armor(), still need to aim to penetrate gun( and then hope the bullet will land where you aimed). DPS wise you are screwed.
So you will lose against kv1s(moving target), kv2 (same gun with better damage
, and german (they can angle, so you have to shoot weakspot, yours is bigger than theirs, they shoot faster and are more accurate, and they can hide, you can't , M6 (same gun, your weakspot is bigger At the end of the day (and at the start too) accuracy/pen will always mess you up, no matter how high it states it is, you will bounce, ricochet, 0 dmg, so you will lose, because your ROF/damage is abysmall,
so explain this garlbage player:
today i got at this hour 124 battles with my arl which is just right now full, with crew just at 100%; got 56% win rate (and this was with the crappy guns i got the last one at 97% crew)
obviously its without gold ammo, when you play tier 6 having 269 pen instead of 212 is useless, if you play properly no one bounces you on your tier even angled at 30% a kv1s as only 155 mm armour, opposite is far from true
Edited by KrauzerII, 14 May 2013 - 04:10 PM.
taattis
15 May 2013
Finding it pretty meh, sure it aint bad but there really aint a reason to pick it over KV-1s.
Tho1528
15 May 2013
You called the ARL 44 garbage?! I'm getting a heart attack from hearing that!
It is probably my favourite tier 6. (The other tier 6's are also good, but this one earns it place at my number 1)
At stock, with 50% crew, it is, I have to admit, pretty bad. But that is the case for (almost) every tank, so I can accept that.
Once fully upgraded, with a crew of at least 75% (mine is already at 186%), it rocks.
Speed is great with 38 km/h maximum, with average acceleration. (traverse speed is pretty low, but it's a heavy tank, so that's logical + with 86% clutch braking I don't feel it anymore)
Gun (I'm talking about the 90mm DCA 45) has great pen and decent damage and RoF (similar to the Tiger's 88mm)
There are only 3 flaws:
- It is pretty big (taller than the tier 7 tiger and IS), but I don't care about that.
- The sides and rear on both hull and turret are pretty weak and vunrable to HE shells from artillery, but I don't really care about that either, because the frontal armour makes me laugh when KV-1S's bounce on it! It is 120mm at a slope, which gives it a value of like 160 or 180 maybe?
- The 90mm DCA 45 is known for the slow aiming time (on the ARL 44, on the AMX M4, the aiming time is higher), but because I decided to keep this master, I bought some equipment for it: Ventilation, Gun rammer and gun laying drive (during a 50% off event)
And don't forget this quote: "It's not the tank which is crap, it's the one who's driving it."
It is probably my favourite tier 6. (The other tier 6's are also good, but this one earns it place at my number 1)
At stock, with 50% crew, it is, I have to admit, pretty bad. But that is the case for (almost) every tank, so I can accept that.
Once fully upgraded, with a crew of at least 75% (mine is already at 186%), it rocks.
Speed is great with 38 km/h maximum, with average acceleration. (traverse speed is pretty low, but it's a heavy tank, so that's logical + with 86% clutch braking I don't feel it anymore)
Gun (I'm talking about the 90mm DCA 45) has great pen and decent damage and RoF (similar to the Tiger's 88mm)
There are only 3 flaws:
- It is pretty big (taller than the tier 7 tiger and IS), but I don't care about that.
- The sides and rear on both hull and turret are pretty weak and vunrable to HE shells from artillery, but I don't really care about that either, because the frontal armour makes me laugh when KV-1S's bounce on it! It is 120mm at a slope, which gives it a value of like 160 or 180 maybe?
- The 90mm DCA 45 is known for the slow aiming time (on the ARL 44, on the AMX M4, the aiming time is higher), but because I decided to keep this master, I bought some equipment for it: Ventilation, Gun rammer and gun laying drive (during a 50% off event)
And don't forget this quote: "It's not the tank which is crap, it's the one who's driving it."
lecoche
16 May 2013
How to fail to pen with a 212 PEN gun against Tier 6 ? Easy. Aim the enemy hull, and garlbage will send your bullet in the turret. 
Craptastic.
Bad accuracy, long aim time, meh damage
I guess I am not as lucky as you who manage to fight only noobs with your overpimped tank and 200% crew.
Edited by lecoche, 16 May 2013 - 07:03 PM.
Craptastic.Bad accuracy, long aim time, meh damage
I guess I am not as lucky as you who manage to fight only noobs with your overpimped tank and 200% crew.
Edited by lecoche, 16 May 2013 - 07:03 PM.
armatage
16 May 2013
Get 170mm PEN gun against Tier 6, aim the enemy hull and you will pen it. Fantastic.
This tank is just decent in every aspect, and it makes it so great.
Decent accuracy, decent aim time, decent damage, decent speed, decent manouverability, decent armor (I mean overall - thin sides, thin turret but thick frontal plate, and turret always has a chance to bounce off mantlet or just damage the gun). Oh and great gun depression, haha.
This tank is just decent in every aspect, and it makes it so great.
Decent accuracy, decent aim time, decent damage, decent speed, decent manouverability, decent armor (I mean overall - thin sides, thin turret but thick frontal plate, and turret always has a chance to bounce off mantlet or just damage the gun). Oh and great gun depression, haha.
haplo34
17 May 2013
Yeah this tank is absolute garbage, no accuracy, no damage, no pen, no armor...
L2P dude seriously...
Pateut
17 May 2013
I personally loved the ARL44 and I also loved the AMX M4. I played both with the 105 and they rocked. At one time I had a win ratio of 70% with ARL.
To me they were good tanks. You really must learn to use each tank at what it is best at.
To me they were good tanks. You really must learn to use each tank at what it is best at.
taylan91tr
17 May 2013
lecoche, on 16 May 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:
How to fail to pen with a 212 PEN gun against Tier 6 ? Easy. Aim the enemy hull, and garlbage will send your bullet in the turret. Craptastic.
Bad accuracy, long aim time, meh damage
I guess I am not as lucky as you who manage to fight only noobs with your overpimped tank and 200% crew.
Craptastic.Bad accuracy, long aim time, meh damage
I guess I am not as lucky as you who manage to fight only noobs with your overpimped tank and 200% crew.
MotanTurbat
19 May 2013
Ragoutrabbit, on 25 April 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:
46% win ratio and 24 kills in 46 games, I'd hate too see what you think is a bad tank....
192 games
58% win
146 kills
And I'm not much of a great player!
It's a good tank, fairly mobile for a heavy, good frontal hull armor, great gun selection! Very good sniper. Only bad thing is the long aiming time on 2 of it's top guns!
Jokanaan
19 May 2013
There are not many ARL's on the battlefield compared to KV-1S, M6 or even Churchill's so chance to meet good ARL players is even lower. But that's not a tank fault. That's mainly a driver who makes tank worthy or not.
ARL has great variety of guns to choose from and is quite fast for a heavy. You can choose 105mm from S-35 CA or 90 mm from ARL V39. It's main disadvantage are tracks. From what I've seen they get destroyed very often. But you don't see many ARL's - just KV-1S all the way so there is a good chance that unexperienced players won't know where to shoot when they meet one.
It's french so don't expect to meet an armored behemoth but it's worth a try.
ARL has great variety of guns to choose from and is quite fast for a heavy. You can choose 105mm from S-35 CA or 90 mm from ARL V39. It's main disadvantage are tracks. From what I've seen they get destroyed very often. But you don't see many ARL's - just KV-1S all the way so there is a good chance that unexperienced players won't know where to shoot when they meet one.
It's french so don't expect to meet an armored behemoth but it's worth a try.
Firewaltzer
Yesterday, 11:47 AM
I'm not a big fan of ARL 44 either. But the 105mm TR(ollgun) makes me crack a smile almost every game. Serious DPS with very sexy gold pen.
