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I wish they'd buff the Valentine II

Valentine gun buff

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bean57 #1 Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:27 PM

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The Val II is my only premium tank and I enjoyed it at first but now I've pretty much given up playing it and it's purely down to the gun.  I know the tank gets preferential MM and doesn't meet above Tier IV but I would gladly take it up against higher tiers if only they'd give it a decent gun.

I've given up on it because you have to use premium ammo against other Tier IV tanks unless you're happy to try and get 6+ direct penetrating hits in with normal AP.  Even with premium you're looking at 4 or 5.  Against Matildas it's completely ineffective and it struggles against Hetzer's and Lee's too unless you can hit the weak spots several times.  I found I was making a loss on some battles.  As I say it was fun at first but now it's boring.

What do other owner's think?

hamstor #2 Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:44 PM

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I feel you... The gun is indeed abysmal. But in comparison to its British brother it has decent mobility (sort of) and you can try to pick your targets.

I have to drive the Val2 with 50:50 AP/APCR to be at least competetive. Still I think the bigger problem is the puny ammo supply. I seem to run out of ammo every 2nd match...

BravelyRanAway #3 Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:46 PM

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The gun has always been a problem, so we used to rely on its armour for a chance. Now its just a one shot pinata for a derp Hetzer. :sad:

scuffer #4 Posted 01 May 2013 - 12:56 PM

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Agreed.  Its armour is of no value in the current game, and is too slow to try anything clever to avoid.

JohnTravolta #5 Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:36 PM

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View Posthamstor, on 01 May 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

I have to drive the Val2 with 50:50 AP/APCR to be at least competetive. Still I think the bigger problem is the puny ammo supply. I seem to run out of ammo every 2nd match...
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what he said...

61 shells with 51/84 pen and 47 dmg is not enough...

Edited by JohnTravolta, 01 May 2013 - 09:38 PM.


saturnus #6 Posted 22 August 2013 - 06:57 PM

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Wargaming should rebalance this tank.
When the tank was introduced it was OK, because many tier IV had trouble penetrating it.
That way you could stay alive a little longer to compensate for the insane weak gun.

Now, with all the TD's and premium ammo, you get killed so easily in this tank.

panacik #7 Posted 03 September 2013 - 08:29 AM

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I wish it had more ammo. Look at LTP- same gun, 150 ammo.... And you probably have payed some gold for Valentine II (I know I did), while LTP was given for free

Edited by panacik, 03 September 2013 - 08:30 AM.


Hedgehog1963 #8 Posted 03 September 2013 - 07:25 PM

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I got my Val II in the half price sale last xmas and I love it.  Great armour, poor gun (Tier II gun in a tier IV tank).  Putting my 450% T-50 crew in it I get a 55% WR.   Works out well enough for me.  I do carry premium ammo in it though.  I can afford the losses of credits.

battlecry123 #9 Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:20 AM

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This tank would be better with a gun worthy to use in tier 4 games as a tier 2 gun is like trying to kill an elephant with a peashooter.
the tank it self isn't bad could do with an upgrade to cope with the latest  additions to the tank ranges so it can at least be able to maybe take punishment and give it also maybe a bit more armour would be nice or if not that a better engine to make it faster

kraljrtg #10 Posted 16 December 2013 - 06:33 PM

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bad gun boring tank,with this gun is insane to play :( tier 4 games,slow tank....

distrofijus #11 Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:26 AM

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strangely enough, this is the only tank I've got crucial contribution (in platoon with another valentine).

Armor is really good, however quite a few stars need aligning for it to work. Sometimes you look at the matchmakin and when you see a bunch of hetzers, marders 38, t-28, su85b, t40s you know that you won't do good in that game :)

 

For me - it's just troll bounce machine where I pew pew a lot of gold :)

 

 



Akula971 #12 Posted 24 December 2013 - 12:14 AM

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It is not that bad. I load up with mostly premium ammo, cammo paint, vents, binos, and cammo net.  I get about 52%WR in it. 

My tips?

Stay well back, your view range and cammo will help you. Never be in the lead. Use premium at a distance. If spotted and being shot at retreat to nearest cover. Always move from cover to cover. Never be exposed in the open.

Crew at max cammo skill. 

It is not a credit earner for me. Just a crew trainer.



Link_to_Insanity #13 Posted 02 January 2014 - 05:38 PM

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It's basically a smaller profile B1/B2 tank, at least that's how it plays.

 

It has pretty good armour and I'd prefer the preferential matchmaking, rather than it getting a better gun.


Edited by Link_to_Insanity, 02 January 2014 - 05:38 PM.


ThunderboltZ #14 Posted 11 January 2014 - 01:19 PM

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I was about t start a new topic until i saw this ...now i don't have to :smile:

So, the valentine II, gun is totally useless even with premium ammo since they introduced the Matilda. Can't do a sh*t against Hetzers, other Valentines, AMX 40, B1 ...list goes on and on. You need premium ammo for almost ANY tier 4, and armour doesn't matter when Matildas can pen tier 5, Hetzers can oneshot derp you anytime they want - and you just bounce off their weakspots even with premium ammo :facepalm: I think WG has forgotten these old premium tanks and not balancing them properly. Now almost every tier 4 can do everything better, and if you DO pen someone its usually thanks to APCR - that costs 800cr piece. Premium tanks should make money? should they ? if they don't they should be atleast fun to drive. How it could be fun to bounce almost every tank you see and get shot, like i said already - armour doesnt matter when these new "OP" tanks can pen even tier 6 with ease ...

 

Firstly off - buff the abysmal gun, give some more ammo and that's it. I wouldn't personally care if it would see tier 5 (but not tier 6) if you would atleast get a gun that could pen SOMETHING without the cost of APCR. 

 

 



Bolterman #15 Posted 24 March 2014 - 03:10 AM

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I hope none of your suggestions make it. This tank is pure awesomeness, and yes, mine only spits gold and still make profit in losses. Truth be told, Matilda is a hard nut to crack, but not every enemy is a Matilda and aiming at the weak spots makes wonders, You should try!

warmagnet123 #16 Posted 15 June 2014 - 08:29 PM

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http://www.o5m6.de/valentine_ix.html

 I found this now this would be better as a tier 4



warmagnet123 #17 Posted 15 June 2014 - 08:31 PM

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mark ix valentine better than the tier 4 one which is crapas hell

http://www.o5m6.de/valentine_ix.html







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