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Genjurooo #1 Posted 31 May 2013 - 01:55 AM

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So, I play a lot at lower tiers and done this for a while now in order to get some tanks (mostly british and french) to 51% wins and ace tanker 'em.
Now, every freakin' time I play some tier 2 tank, rage builds in. Why? Because of overpowered tanks such as T18 and Pz. I C.

The german one ruins games when is played in platoon by advanced players. That happens mostly at night. Seen some enemy team raped by those and then 2 games later, the same winrate nutcases raped my team while on the enemy one. This wasn't the only case, but the most recent one.

The T18? I HATE this one-hit-kill garbage. I wonder what were the devs thinking? Has awesome speed, one-hit-kill gun and the casemate is like impenetrable. And yeah, at tier 2, with all the new and casual players, not many use gold against it. Nerf the 75 mm and the frontal casemate armor. Make that gun do like 110 dmg or something so that it won't instakill every tier 2 it faces.

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Blue2018 #2 Posted 31 May 2013 - 01:58 AM

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Ye T18s are highly annoying in the tier 2 bracket, cant pen the front of them a lot of the tier 2's have a hard time even penning the side as well, have to get right up close to them to kill them.

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View PostGenjurooo, on 31 May 2013 - 01:55 AM, said:

So, I play a lot at lower tiers and done this for a while now in order to get some tanks (mostly british and french) to 51% wins and ace tanker 'em.

Almost 14k battles and you are crying that other people who are better than you at seal clubbing are better at it than you. Is that the point you tried to make but missed making?

FailAccount #4 Posted 31 May 2013 - 02:00 AM

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Sorry but both tanks are easy to kill.

Valeriadrina #5 Posted 31 May 2013 - 02:01 AM

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75mm probably gets nerf on HEAT pen in next patch. But it will still clean your clocks with HE regardless. And you can also use 57mm AT gun instead (which also kills people so fast and easy).

Panzer I C is a weird vehicle. Very powerful as a top tier but very weak as a low tier (in tier 5 games). Some tanks are practically unpenetrable with Mauser.

teemu92 #6 Posted 31 May 2013 - 02:11 AM

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T18 is my worst enemy too, next to the machinegun pz tank, i always load a few prem shells when meeting one .. but yeah wcyd

ulcusrodens #7 Posted 31 May 2013 - 02:15 AM

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the worst thing about the t18 is its insane speed. i mean, a tank that's well armoured and armed should not be able to climb every hill faster than many lights... and to out-manouvre them!

Harland #8 Posted 31 May 2013 - 02:15 AM

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I hope those tanks will never get nerfed, because they force newbies to use tactics and teamplay to kill them, instead of going point and shoot (and no, I don't own either T18 or Pz. I C). Besides, when they are driven by mediocre players they are easy enough to kill. If they are driven by good players they will own, but at those low Tiers a good player will own in any tank. If it helps, think of it as a challenge... though, apparently nobody playing this game wants a challenge considering all those OP this, OP that threads...

And if you can't deal with them after so many battles... well, it's tough being you then, I guess.

Genjurooo #9 Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:35 AM

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View Postplayarci, on 31 May 2013 - 01:59 AM, said:

Almost 14k battles and you are crying that other people who are better than you at seal clubbing are better at it than you. Is that the point you tried to make but missed making?
I was sure that someone like you would come. The problem is that in ideal conditions T18 will instakill every single tier 2 it faces. Also the other problem is that the new players (that don't use gold) won't even damage it if it's driven by some average player.

View PostValeriadrina, on 31 May 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

75mm probably gets nerf on HEAT pen in next patch. But it will still clean your clocks with HE regardless. And you can also use 57mm AT gun instead (which also kills people so fast and easy).
HEAT doesn't drop you in one hit.
The other gun won't be such a problem if WG will nerf the casemate armor too, since all TDs (tier 2) have fast firing guns. It will be just a question of who lands the first hit in a face-off with another TD.

View PostHarland, on 31 May 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

I hope those tanks will never get nerfed, because they force newbies to use tactics and teamplay to kill them, instead of going point and shoot (and no, I don't own either T18 or Pz. I C). Besides, when they are driven by mediocre players they are easy enough to kill. If they are driven by good players they will own, but at those low Tiers a good player will own in any tank. If it helps, think of it as a challenge... though, apparently nobody playing this game wants a challenge considering all those OP this, OP that threads...

And if you can't deal with them after so many battles... well, it's tough being you then, I guess.
What is forcing it's my team to fail.
I play RenaultFT AC at the moment and mostly on Himmelsdorf it is hell. I can't get fast enough on the route under the castle and can't count on my team to hold that position when I see them with like 0k-1k battles and even if they go there, it drops 'em like flies (if they don't wait for him to come... and they don't). Standing back and waiting or by the corners often means overrun and defeat even after I drop him. On other maps it is true that they're not so dangerous, but still it has too many advantages:
-speed
-impenetrable casemate armor (without gold)
-one-hit-kill gun
All of these together mean high potential disaster for your noob team even if you did very good.

Pz. I C is not so OPed. The problem, as I said, are the winrate nutcase platoons at night (when there is small population).

View Postdheim, on 31 May 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

the worst thing about the t18 is its insane speed. i mean, a tank that's well armoured and armed should not be able to climb every hill faster than many lights... and to out-manouvre them!
That too, but if it were only speedy and not onehitkilly + invulnerable (against not packing gold new players that charge it frontaly), you could count on the noobs in your team to deal some damage.

Edited by Genjurooo, 31 May 2013 - 04:36 AM.


Jaak_Taiger #10 Posted 31 May 2013 - 07:09 AM

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View PostHarland, on 31 May 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

I hope those tanks will never get nerfed, because they force newbies to use tactics and teamplay to kill them, instead of going point and shoot
And you honestly think that's actually going to happen? That's what I'd call wishful thinking

Edited by 0rpheus, 31 May 2013 - 07:10 AM.


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View PostHarland, on 31 May 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

I hope those tanks will never get nerfed, because they force newbies to use tactics and teamplay to kill them, instead of going point and shoot (and no, I don't own either T18 or Pz. I C).
Those tanks will force newbies to use OP tanks or discourage from play, nothing else
Tanks are OP and used mostly by stat padders

Justerin #12 Posted 31 May 2013 - 07:54 AM

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I often play T1 Cunningham so I just hit T18 tracks and leave him to team-mates. He's pretty helpless while immobilized.

BTW, yesterday I played UC-2 (tier 2 british TD). It's stock cannon tears T18 apart if you're hitting sides or rear.

Edited by Justerin, 31 May 2013 - 07:55 AM.


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View PostHarland, on 31 May 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

I hope those tanks will never get nerfed, because they force newbies to use tactics and teamplay to kill them, instead of going point and shoot (and no, I don't own either T18 or Pz. I C). Besides, when they are driven by mediocre players they are easy enough to kill. If they are driven by good players they will own, but at those low Tiers a good player will own in any tank. If it helps, think of it as a challenge... though, apparently nobody playing this game wants a challenge considering all those OP this, OP that threads...

And if you can't deal with them after so many battles... well, it's tough being you then, I guess.


Totally agree and gave you +1. When I see those those brainless low tier players not using any tactits at all so I say "you deserve to be owned" and I take my punishing tool - german tier III premium tank and I go to spread death among them. I feel like a missionary. :-)

TheQuartermaster #14 Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:00 AM

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Not sure this will affect tier 2 but there is a new tier 2 German arty with a gun that does 410 average damage

Jan_Vrba99 #15 Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:07 AM

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The other day I took my Tetrarch out for a spin, killed two T18's (platoon) with std ammo from the front, and their reaction? HACKER, HACKS, I will report your cheater.

Most T18's dont realise that Tetrarch has 64mm pen on std ammo.

Now the sad part is, most players sold their Tetrarch's,

Tetrarchs are the best medicine for T18's

MartiniHenrie #16 Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:08 AM

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View PostGenjurooo, on 31 May 2013 - 04:35 AM, said:

Long time player crying like a baby

All I'm getting from this thread is 'I can't deal with it so nerf it!', heavens forbid that some effort and cunning is required to play a game.  As for the newbies being hit hard, the ones with brains will come back and try again and the ones that want an easy ride will leave.

New players need to learn how to play, some veteran players too by the sounds of it, so having training tools that enable new players to learn not to charge straight at TD's is invaluable.  How many players learn from these experience is debatable looking at some of the tier 7-8 players I run into, but Hey Ho life goes on.

Learning is good, whining is not so good, especially when it only presents part of the argument.  'I can't kill it from the front' well you're an experienced player, track and flank like the rest of us...

YukiEiriKun #17 Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:12 AM

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I don't know.. Nowdays seeing T18 does not strike me with fear anymore, even if I'm in my LOLtracktor..
Pz1C is annoying 'cos it is so fast.. But otherwise, easy to deal with..

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View PostBoertjieZAR, on 31 May 2013 - 08:07 AM, said:

The other day I took my Tetrarch out for a spin, killed two T18's (platoon) with std ammo from the front, and their reaction? HACKER, HACKS, I will report your cheater.

Most T18's dont realise that Tetrarch has 64mm pen on std ammo.

Now the sad part is, most players sold their Tetrarch's,

Tetrarchs are the best medicine for T18's

I take the PzJg1 to kill off T18

Golem501 #19 Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:36 AM

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Good idea... I should play those tanks again... they're fun.

The Pz1.AusC platoons are fun to play... and fun is the goal of the game isn't it. Try it out sometimes instead of complaining. It's fun to race across maps I do it in my T-50 as well...

Stokkolm #20 Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:51 AM

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As I type this OP has -7 reputation. This proves people who play at higher tiers are completely unaware how broken tier 2 battles are right now. They think T18 is just some kind of KV-1S and this is just a typical noob whine. Imagine T95 (tier9 US TD) driving at 48km/h with the 183mm gun from FV215b fighting tier 7-9 tanks and you can make an idea about how T18 is like at it's tier.

Amount of battles played recently from noobmeter.com:
T18 - 284k
Panzerjäger I - 43k
Universal Carrier 2-pdr - 30k
AT-1 - 22k
RenaultFT AC - 16k

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