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Pia #1 Posted 12 January 2011 - 01:44 PM

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Hi guys, i have an doubt and Im here to put an end on it! :)

I have a M3 Stuart and M5 Stuart. I only play with the M3 and his crew have 100% of level training, now i dnot know if i decide to move the crew to the M5 or keep it on M3. I know that if i move them, they will plose some percetual of level. I will swap only if the M5 will best than M3.

Analyzing the armor characteristics of each tank, I saw that the M5 has more turret armor and less hull armor than the M3, But the hull of the M5 has more bends in their construction. This makes it as good armored as the M3 or not?

The M5 turret model M44 rotation speed (better armored) is 46 and the M3 turret is 50. Is this really better?

The M5 tank speed is worse than the M3 speed.

The M5 visibility (with the M7 turret model) is better than the M3 (+40). However, that's a less armored turret, his better armored turret (M44 model) has less visibility that the M3 stuart (-80).

Well, with these comparisons I asking you guys.
A light tank, primarily used as a scouter, which is the better choice?

Thank for the help and good game to all.

Arkhell #2 Posted 12 January 2011 - 02:22 PM

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you can put that 100% crew into the M5 (not retraining them) and they will function as if they were a 75% crew for the M5 so you can test it with a half decent crew and see what you like better.

XyA_DeathKnight #3 Posted 12 January 2011 - 08:44 PM

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I'll give you my opinion...

I sunk all of my resources that were on my M3 into a new M5 and was EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED and at great loss to gear my M3 back up after I SOLD my M5.

Again, this is just my opinion, but:

1. M5 is slow.. aggravatingly slow for a light "scout" tank
2. M5 has 75mm howitzer option.. which might be great IF you could actually hit anything with it (I could not, and I consider myself good enough to never use auto aim and I fire most of the time during movement)
3. M5 armor loss vs. M3 is compounded due to the fact that you will face higher tier tanks...

I seriously HATED this tank and did everything I could to get past it. Now that I am on the M7 I can see that my decision was the correct one, at least for me. The M7 is God-like compared to either of these tanks.

FYI, I kept and frequently still drive my M3.

Hope this helps and good luck with the decision.

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Pia #4 Posted 14 January 2011 - 01:36 AM

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Thank you for the help XyA_DeathKnight.

With your opinion I will keep my M3 and I will only use the M5 for the research and after this i will sell it.
:)

Your opinion helps alot! Thank you again.






View PostXyA_DeathKnight, on 12 January 2011 - 08:44 PM, said:

I'll give you my opinion...

I sunk all of my resources that were on my M3 into a new M5 and was EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED and at great loss to gear my M3 back up after I SOLD my M5.

Again, this is just my opinion, but:

1. M5 is slow.. aggravatingly slow for a light "scout" tank
2. M5 has 75mm howitzer option.. which might be great IF you could actually hit anything with it (I could not, and I consider myself good enough to never use auto aim and I fire most of the time during movement)
3. M5 armor loss vs. M3 is compounded due to the fact that you will face higher tier tanks...

I seriously HATED this tank and did everything I could to get past it. Now that I am on the M7 I can see that my decision was the correct one, at least for me. The M7 is God-like compared to either of these tanks.

FYI, I kept and frequently still drive my M3.

Hope this helps and good luck with the decision.

-Death Knight


Pia #5 Posted 14 January 2011 - 01:38 AM

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Thanks for the help arkhell.

With your and XyA_DeathKnight opinion I decide keep the M3 and sell my M5 after research it.

Thank you friend and good play.






View PostXyA_DeathKnight, on 12 January 2011 - 08:44 PM, said:

I'll give you my opinion...

I sunk all of my resources that were on my M3 into a new M5 and was EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED and at great loss to gear my M3 back up after I SOLD my M5.

Again, this is just my opinion, but:

1. M5 is slow.. aggravatingly slow for a light "scout" tank
2. M5 has 75mm howitzer option.. which might be great IF you could actually hit anything with it (I could not, and I consider myself good enough to never use auto aim and I fire most of the time during movement)
3. M5 armor loss vs. M3 is compounded due to the fact that you will face higher tier tanks...

I seriously HATED this tank and did everything I could to get past it. Now that I am on the M7 I can see that my decision was the correct one, at least for me. The M7 is God-like compared to either of these tanks.

FYI, I kept and frequently still drive my M3.

Hope this helps and good luck with the decision.

-Death Knight


zwild #6 Posted 16 January 2011 - 12:59 AM

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Your loss.

The M5 is an amazing machine with the howitzer equipped.  Tiny and deadly.

As for the speed, I just had to look at the listed speed... I swore that it was the fastest tank I owned, but I guess the stats say different.  /shrugs, it is still faster than anything that it is put up against usually <cough> haeavy tanks.

Best tactic is NOT to scout with this tiny beast, but to stay behind the heavies and play direct fire artie role.  The 75mm HE rounds will make any heavy very sad.

My personal best with the M5 is blowing up 2 heavies without them even knowing where I was.

derito #7 Posted 19 January 2011 - 12:52 AM

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It can scout properly if you use it to get in bushes close to often used roads to see enemies coming while still being far enough not to get spotted (camo and binoc are really useful for that).

Vanitar #8 Posted 27 January 2011 - 10:33 PM

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I have my stuart M5 on elite, love that tank, its a bit slower than m3, yes, but the 75mm howitzer can do some nice damage, its maybe harder to hit, but once the crew is on 100 and you get close enough, its always a hit, sometimes even a critical. You can kill the slow tds and the thing is maneuverable, so you can do damage to low tier mediums and some low tier heavy tanks and be off. Once i was circling the small cliff in the middle of the map cliff and blasting shells at a kv, didnt kill him, but had a lot of fun. Yes once you get hit, its always a one shot mostly, but if you are careful you can be a good scout in that tank, m3 gun cant do anything with that water gun.

Yodarkore #9 Posted 15 April 2011 - 04:43 PM

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M3 or M5? definately M2 light tank! M2 is clearly the only good american tank, strong armor and good damage for its tier (2). M3 is undergunned, M5 with howitzer is fun but require lot of skill, regular gun lack punch.

So, if you want to stick to a stuart and have fun with it, stick with the M2 light tank, this is the ultimate noob basher (even better than the bt2 who comes to a close second place). Your only foe in the M2 light is the pzII upgraded gun, but you can easily win against it if you play smartly.

I'd think that the M5 would have been a good tank (that was the only light scout who gave me some trouble with my leo), but after playing it for a while it doesnt make it, it face too strong opponements for its tier, where, as alway, russian tanks rules in skilled hands. Germans are on a tie with it since they may have decent armor, but clearly lack of punch.

that was my 2 cents...

Oh and now, with a +15% resist HE, +5% skill crew and +10% view range, i can swear its the ultimate tank, too bad you dont earn that much money in tier 2 (i make around 6-12k with it, wich is still decent, premium ofc)

zyxterman #10 Posted 19 April 2011 - 03:23 AM

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If you want new vehicle with 100% crew - simple train old crew to 100%, then don`t give them skills, just leave (+) and run some more battles. They will gain exp. Train them until all of them will have 100% after respecialisation ( you can check it then try respec )

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This is how to play with stuieeee :D[attachment=12059:shot_023.jpg]

Paulski_PL #12 Posted 13 May 2011 - 11:39 AM

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I had the M5 during Beta, and it was one big dasappointment for me. Mainly because of the battles I was put in offcourse. Now I'll just keep my M3, I love it. Just got 1.000 xp (doubled) and almost 10.000 credits. Killed 3, damaged 2, spotted 5. No way I could do that in an M5.

I'm thinking about giving my M3 a name. Maybe Martha. "Martha Stuart", lol  :P

pinkflamingo #13 Posted 21 May 2011 - 09:03 PM

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the m5 stuart with the howitzer is the best light tank imo

you can one shot an ausf a and do a lot of damage at high speed

i think its a great tank!

arminofme #14 Posted 24 May 2011 - 01:45 PM

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at first I hated the M5. but after I got it fully upgraded, with the 75 howitzer it's quite a deadly little bugger. but I play it as an aggressive scout mainly so I usually die pretty fast, then again I do enjoy it as such.
best match I had with it was when after surviving a hailstorm of arty shells with 12 hp left I made 6 kills and won the match. 4 of them were artys .. sweet revenge  :D
anything open top is 1 shot for the M5: most lvl3 arty and some lvl4, most low lvl td's.
It's quite fast and agile, there are faster things then him true, but only scouts.
while the 75mm is not really accurate at full speed I had some pretty good shots with it so it's not that bad. HE shells have the added bonus of not needing to be extremely precise to deal damage, just to hit the target. Lighting up heavies are always a bonus.  

when you get to be top tier, there are very few things that can stop you, I had 7 kills in a match like this .. quite awesome.

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I had the M3 / M5 dilemma too but read so much good stuff about the M24 Chaffee that I decided to go for it and grind through if need be.

However I think this is the tank I've had the most fun with since I started playing WOT. It puts a smile of my face in most matches. It's not got great acceleration but once up to speed, KEEP MOVING!

Get the Howitzer, don't try and slug it out with the big boys, use the side lines or weave through the centre, take pot shots at anything you see on the way and REALLY annoy them, scream into the enemy base and take out their arty / TDs, scream back out again and continue to roam around scouting.

It's brilliant fun and WHAM! that Howitzer packs a real punch. :)

Claymored #16 Posted 07 October 2011 - 09:38 PM

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M3 is fairly good fast but extremely squishly.
M5=garbage get used to been able to do next to nothing.

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On the contrary the M5 Howitzer can be a lot of fun. It's reload times are reasonable, it is nippy and maneuverable and it packs a hefty punch.

On the Cliff map last night I went for the middle, one-shotted a TD, swept around the edges of the cliff and spotted several tanks. 2 T-28s were hiding on the corner below me and myself and a friendly medium hung over the edge and blasted them to bits. By now most of the opposing force were trying to push down the 2 sides so I trundled up to the top right above their base and spotted their artillery and lone medium defender, took off half the medium's health then pulled back, did a wide circling traverse while the medium came looking for me, shot him in the ass while artillery finished him, went into base and took out the artillery with single shots each. Captured 75% of the map by myself when a TD and a medium came back to defend and I finished them off also to end the game. I was shaking with excitement.

Only the M5 has ever given me this much fun. In other maps like Himmelsdorf I've raced into the opposing base circling and taking out TDs on the way, blasted their artillery and got a load of spotting XP as well.

Granted you have to be middle to top tank to be able to do that but if you're bottom tank use your speed to keep moving and take pot shots as you roam. You can be distracting enough that your mediums and heavies will get clear shots at the tanks you spot.

I do have frustrating matches as bottom tank but they are heavily outweighed by the brilliant matches like the one above.

It's a great little tank! :D

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The M5 with the 75mm needs a well trained gunner, then it can hit things, the M5 is agile and fast that it can zip around get close in and bump 75mm hell on any one, the 75mm also lets it harm the biggers badguy, i have playe dpop and shot with a pair of IS-3s, making them break cover to deal with me and letting Arty have his fun with them while i raced away. The M5 gets to have fun, and has the speed to steal a base cap, circle a heavy, escape a med and cope with lights.

the M3 is ..just another light tank, nothing very good or bad, a bit bland.

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With my M5 I'm usually set last one with big, heavy tanks in game. It demands extreme care to be not hitted, as usually track is damaged, luckily, repair set can save butt. Second hit will end the game.
Yes, I'm enjoying M5, even that very often I die from one shot. More often, I can survive, outflank, hit and run.

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View Postpinkflamingo, on 21 May 2011 - 09:03 PM, said:

the m5 stuart with the howitzer is the best light tank imo

Do try the T2 Light before you make statements like that :)