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I wasn't impressed by your previous post either

Matching bigotry with more bigotry never got us anywhere. So lets agree to stop and then we can get back to our much enjoyed Anglo-French alliance based on equal amounts of love and hate

 Rollup, on 09 November 2011 - 04:57 PM, said:

the only thing here thats pointless is your post with no basis in fact.
number 1 Following Operation Battleaxe a dozen Matildas left behind the Axis lines were repaired and put into service by the Germans.[31] The Matildas were well regarded by their German users [32] although their use in battle caused confusion to both sides, despite extra-prominent German markings.

number 2,try reading dunkirk theres loads and i mean loads of stories about french soldiers being packed up and ready to surrender whilst the british fought on,basically they got stabbed in the back by their own allies.

and number 3 i aint no bigot,i deal in facts,something that you obviously dont.

 dasdon, on 09 November 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

You know that the 8.8 was use like a Tank gun at El Aleimein battle for the first time?
The French/German war was BEFORE.
The german never use 8.8 on French tank. Sow you don't have argumentation. And don't know historical event. Goooood.

 KuroNyra, on 09 November 2011 - 06:01 PM, said:

um read a book or something,88 was used in anti tank roll in the stomping of france.
so lol at u fool.
http://www.achtungpa...bwehrkanone.htm

Good to see the french tanks coming, obiviously some very interesting machines !

 dasdon, on 09 November 2011 - 06:10 PM, said:

LOL at YOU.

They talk of over Flak. Flak 38 & other's. Not the 8.8
You did one of the BIGGEST FAIL

 KuroNyra, on 09 November 2011 - 06:15 PM, said:

did u even look at the link?cause from where im sitting all you are doing is looking stupid.

 dasdon, on 09 November 2011 - 05:53 PM, said:

If you would only stop being so angry and read my post, I said "I would be genuinely interested". At risk of de-railing this flamewar and starting a genuine discussion about tanks, the Matilda "When the BEF returned to the United Kingdom, nearly all their armour was left behind. Matilda Mk Is left in the United Kingdom were withdrawn for training purposes." from Wikipedia. Even the British knew the Mark 1 could not compete. Matilda Mark IIs were more effective in North Africa for a while, they were difficult to penetrate, but were ripped to bits by the better armor of the Germans leading to substantial losses. The irony is, that they would be more effective against British Armor and artillery until the 6 pounder was introduced. Their 2 pounder armament with no HE was pretty light weight.

 dasdon, on 09 November 2011 - 05:53 PM, said:

Please link your sources. This not the case according to my great uncle who was eventually captured at St Valery. He was always very complimentary of the valor of the French during that time. I would be interested to read your sources suggesting otherwise.

 dasdon, on 09 November 2011 - 05:53 PM, said:

Umm....

 dasdon, on 09 November 2011 - 05:53 PM, said:

Let me guess, dasdon's an angry kid recruited by the BNP

 Jukelo, on 09 November 2011 - 06:26 PM, said:

Just a little kid who don't have any argument and want the British tank "cause they are the best of the world of all time!!!! "

 KuroNyra, on 09 November 2011 - 06:32 PM, said:

Your behaviour can hardly be called adult when viewed in the comments on his profile page. Please grow-up.

 Jukelo, on 09 November 2011 - 06:26 PM, said:

now think about that statement for a second,if i was outraged over war grave desecration wtf would i be a bnp supporter for? just a dumb retarded thing to say.

 Rollup, on 09 November 2011 - 06:23 PM, said:

back again roll up,just finished eating,the matildas i were talking bout came from the african campaign.
another awesome eg is http://en.wikipedia....Command_Vehicle
i'll quote for u "During World War II the United Kingdom was the only country to develop and widely employ purpose-built armoured command vehicles. Those were essentially armoured buses based on truck chassis.

The most common ACV of the British Army was the AEC 4x4 ACV. The vehicle, based on AEC Matador chassis, entered production in 1941. A total of about 415 units were built. The vehicle was used for the first time in the North African Campaign and remained in service until the end of the war. Big and comfortable, it was nicknamed Dorchester by the troops, after the luxury hotel in London. Three ACVs of this type were captured by the German Afrika Korps. Two of them, named "Max" and "Moritz", were employed by Rommel and his staff throughout the campaign."

second for sources im talking bout a book called dunkirk,also Dunkirk: Fight to the Last Man .was another book i read but its name escapes me.
rest assured tho theres plent of evidence to say that a lot of french broke rank and made a break for freedom even tho ordered to hol.ofc not all the french did but enough did to make it into british soldiers memories of ww2 which are in print.
and lastly i repeat i aint no bigot but when i get abused i return it in kind.

Have respect for all veterans. I know german veterans of the invasion of France, you will never hear them saying the french were cowards, quite the opposite.
Even after the fall of France, they kept fighting. Even in Soviet, there were frenchmen fighting.4 of the fighter pilots became heroes of the soviet union!

My grandfathers both fought in the war but on separate sides( one was officer in SS wiking/nordland, other fought in the norwegian resistance),my great uncle was a merchant marine during the war, sunk by german subs twice, all survived and I was taught to to respect the veterans no matter the country, or the war in question.

This contest to see whos fallen soldiers "are more important" is insulting to all those who fought and died for their country, a human life has equal value, politics mean squat, in the end all the difference between us is our nationality

 Rollup, on 09 November 2011 - 06:55 PM, said:

Grow-up? Me?
Go tell that to the one who have NO FUCKING RESPECT for the veteran. For the people who die during this war.
I have no respect for someone who don't have respect too.

You know, this is one of the most undignified spectacles I have read on the Tanks forum  
I welcome the french tanks, they will add another dimension, I look forwards to any British tanks that make it in too.
I personally play this game cause it's fun, not for some jingoistic desire to show one set of killing machine is better or worse than another, say, lets all get some perspective.

Go back, read through the comments again, are you really the person your comments purvey?  If so, then I suggest you try and calm down.

MajGenMus +1, aggree wholeheartedly

 Rollup, on 09 November 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

Well mate, again this is simply not true at all. On May, 24th 1940 General von Rundstedt ordered to stop the attack started at Calais after talking to Hitler - at this time, the spearhead of German tanks were only 18 kilometers away from Dunkirk (Hart,Liddell: History of the Second World War, G.P. Putnam, New York: 1970); historians are still arguing about the reasons to stop today.

Not until then (May 24th) there was the Allied attempt to organize a decent defence line around Dunkirk from May 24th to 27th.

Those counterattacks you mentioned started not until May, 27th - as you can see now, full three days after the "18km perimeter" of May, 24th.

 ElAtaque, on 09 November 2011 - 09:13 PM, said:

Absolutely accepted. However, the counter-attacks across the Somme delayed the German pincer for some days, and hence Hitler's decision. I also think that map is somewhat misleading (though accurate at 4th of June I'm sure), as the pocket collapsed gradually with troops falling back behind the defensive perimeter. My only point is, that without the valor of French soldiers providing the threat/distraction from the southwest there would have been very little hope of evacuating the BEF. The French had suffered substantial losses and could have sat on the other side of the river, licked their wounds and reorganised defensively in relative safety. They were certainly in no fit state to attack.

As a point of interest, Montgomery (see my avatar ) admitted that he thought the whole expedition was doomed to failure and consequently spent his entire time in Belgium rehearsing a tactical withdrawal. Not only did we run away (in an orderly fashion) but we premeditated it ! Though I agree it was the prudent thing to do, it still astonishes me.

 KuroNyra, on 09 November 2011 - 07:11 PM, said:

Yes, you. Is going to someone's profile page and spamming it with "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB" mature ?