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theta0123 #1 Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:38 PM

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Discuss the upcoming french light tanks here!

I provided the french tech tree and Souroy's French tank thread for extra help

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derito #2 Posted 19 January 2011 - 09:57 PM

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I fear we'll have to wait for the detection mechanic rework to see if these high tier lights can be something else than expensive suicide tanks.

Zieten #3 Posted 19 January 2011 - 11:25 PM

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it'll be a 60 kph fast suicide tank with a rapid reloading (if they implement it that way) 90mm gun - sounds fun to me  :Smile-playing:

derito #4 Posted 20 January 2011 - 12:36 AM

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I have to admit that a scout that can reliably kill these high tier arties  would be nice and the bigger maps might help.
However if it's so heavy that the first slope make it lose half its speed, it could be problematic for a tank with something like 40mm armor that get matched against the like of IS-4s and GWpanther (especially with all these spawns on top of hills).
Also are the AMX-13s the same tank with a different gun ? Didn't the devs learn from the american heavy line ?

Zieten #5 Posted 20 January 2011 - 01:49 AM

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View Postderito, on 20 January 2011 - 12:36 AM, said:

I have to admit that a scout that can reliably kill these high tier arties  would be nice and the bigger maps might help.
However if it's so heavy that the first slope make it lose half its speed, it could be problematic for a tank with something like 40mm armor that get matched against the like of IS-4s and GWpanther (especially with all these spawns on top of hills).
Also are the AMX-13s the same tank with a different gun ? Didn't the devs learn from the american heavy line ?

i looked up (or tried it) the french light/med tree and i'm positive that the AMX-13s are the same tank, the T7 just upgraded to a 90mm.

idk12 #6 Posted 20 January 2011 - 09:22 AM

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When does this comming up? it would be wonderfull more tanks XD Gg guys

ZorinWarfield #7 Posted 20 January 2011 - 09:42 AM

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They will need to cut some considerable corners with the AMX-13...

1. The armor does not exceed 25mm. Good luck with that in a tier 6/7
2. The automatic revolver loader only managed 10-12 shots per minute. A considerable number of tanks we have already in game reign supreme without a autoloader.
3. The autoloader only holds 12 rounds and after they have been fired the reload time needs to drop considerably cause the commander could now only reload by hand.
4. Due to its size there was only room for 30 rounds.
5. The autoloader was situated in the back of the turret, which should pretty much always lead to a one shot ammo rack kill.

ArmorShark7 #8 Posted 20 January 2011 - 05:35 PM

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I'll definitely get their tier VII light tank as soon as I can.

Say goodbye to your Leopard.
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Zieten #9 Posted 20 January 2011 - 06:09 PM

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View PostZorinWarfield, on 20 January 2011 - 09:42 AM, said:

They will need to cut some considerable corners with the AMX-13...

1. The armor does not exceed 25mm. Good luck with that in a tier 6/7
2. The automatic revolver loader only managed 10-12 shots per minute. A considerable number of tanks we have already in game reign supreme without a autoloader.
3. The autoloader only holds 12 rounds and after they have been fired the reload time needs to drop considerably cause the commander could now only reload by hand.
4. Due to its size there was only room for 30 rounds.
5. The autoloader was situated in the back of the turret, which should pretty much always lead to a one shot ammo rack kill.

1. armor does not really matter in that tier anymore. almost anything reliably penetrates medium tanks of that tier anyway
2. 10-12 shots per minute with a 90mm sound good to me. you probably won't live long enough to spend em all anyway ;)
3. as written in 2. - you probably wont get that far
4. 30 rounds are more than enough for almost every battle
5. yeah - that IS going to be problem i admit. though the shitty armor might prevent people from shooting at the turret and rather choosing the hull. (see - the bad armor is good for something after all :D)

don't get me wrong - your arguments are absolutely valid - but we need to see it ingame to judge it i guess :)

derito #10 Posted 20 January 2011 - 06:46 PM

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Actually the thing I fear the most is that there might be a lack of arties after release. There's already fewer than before
but there's people that got them before the huge nerf and that probably still use them at least for money making.
However I'm not so sure they will have the courage to grind arties all over again just to shoot 4 rounds per minute
and then pray for their shells not to miss this stationary heavy they're aiming at.
And since lights really shine with arties (when scouting for them or taking them down) it could be a real problem for these lil' french tanks.

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View PostZorinWarfield, on 20 January 2011 - 09:42 AM, said:


4. Due to its size there was only room for 30 rounds.
32 ;)

Souroy #12 Posted 21 January 2011 - 12:46 PM

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37 with the 75mm, 34 with the 90mm and 56 for the 105mm Spg (50 HE and 6 HEAT).
I don't have numbers for the AMX-13/105 Mle 58. :Smile_honoring:

Edit: 32 shells (HEAT and HE) for the AMX-13/105 Modèle 58.

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Well, I took reference from the Austrian Army which used to operate them too, as my french is a bit rusty nowadays. Still, if they would model it in a realistic fashion it would be nothing special and rather hard pressed to impress as either tier 6 or 7. I guess we can agree on that?

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View PostZorinWarfield, on 21 January 2011 - 01:35 PM, said:

Well, I took reference from the Austrian Army which used to operated them as my french is a bit rusty nowadays. Still, if they would model it in a realistic fashion it would be nothing especially and rather hard pressed to impress as either tier 6 or 7. I guess we can agree on that?

if they give it a good view range (more than 440 metres) and a good camo value it might be a good sniper somewhat similiar to the american T20/23 ( whose armor is of no use too despite being a bit better than that of the AMX).

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View PostZieten, on 21 January 2011 - 01:42 PM, said:

if they give it a good view range (more than 440 metres) and a good camo value it might be a good sniper somewhat similiar to the american T20/23 ( whose armor is of no use too despite being a bit better than that of the AMX).

But the gun wouldn't be up to it. Only if they tier it always as the top dog to lower tier battles, yet that would be rather daft as it is a light tank after all and shouldn't be the best your team has in its battle line-up.

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View PostZorinWarfield, on 21 January 2011 - 01:35 PM, said:

Well, I took reference from the Austrian Army which used to operate them too, as my french is a bit rusty nowadays. Still, if they would model it in a realistic fashion it would be nothing special and rather hard pressed to impress as either tier 6 or 7. I guess we can agree on that?
Maybe, as the saying goes wait and see.
But personally I think that people who want to play it like a Leopard or a A-20 are wrong, Imo he will shine more if played like a TD.

However I just to add something about this quote:

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2. The automatic revolver loader only managed 10-12 shots per minute. A considerable number of tanks we have already in game reign supreme without a autoloader.
A majority of tanks have a better rof ingame than what they had irl, maybe it will be the same with the AMX-13 serie.  :Smile_honoring:

theta0123 #17 Posted 21 January 2011 - 08:40 PM

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The AMX-13 does sound pretty epic though. Hopefully it has the best viewrange of them all though  :Smile_honoring:

malcos #18 Posted 21 January 2011 - 11:45 PM

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The AMX-13 is going to be so awesome, or such a disappointment.

Either case, I'm eager to see how it plays.

baki502 #19 Posted 24 January 2011 - 02:19 PM

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Seems to me more like a sec. Hellcat...

MoreDakka #20 Posted 29 January 2011 - 01:51 PM

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View PostZieten, on 20 January 2011 - 06:09 PM, said:

1. armor does not really matter in that tier anymore. almost anything reliably penetrates medium tanks of that tier anyway

Armor does matter in that tier as soon as it's so low that it can be penetrated with HE shells. Which is the case here. A KV with a 152mm will kill this thing in one shot if it hits...




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