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Zieten #21 Posted 29 January 2011 - 04:27 PM

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View PostTeamInfidel, on 29 January 2011 - 01:51 PM, said:

Armor does matter in that tier as soon as it's so low that it can be penetrated with HE shells. Which is the case here. A KV with a 152mm will kill this thing in one shot if it hits...

if u get hit by the 152mm of an KV in a 60kph fast scout tank you've done something wrong in the first place ;)

ArmorShark7 #22 Posted 29 January 2011 - 05:38 PM

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So the AMX-13 has a 250 hp engine. The stock one, that is.

Whereas the Leopard gets more than twice that number of hp...
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Souroy #23 Posted 29 January 2011 - 06:30 PM

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And still the AMX-13 have a better power/weight ratio.
~18.2 hp/t for a "stock" AMX-13 in comparison of ~16.6 for a stock Leopard.

Ps: 270hp for the engine of the AMX-13 and 14.8 tonnes in combat weight.  ;)

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View PostArmorShark7, on 29 January 2011 - 05:38 PM, said:

So the AMX-13 has a 250 hp engine. The stock one, that is.

Whereas the Leopard gets more than twice that number of hp...
<_<

And my KV is even more powerful  :Smile_harp:

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ArmorShark7 #25 Posted 29 January 2011 - 07:37 PM

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View PostSouroy, on 29 January 2011 - 06:30 PM, said:

And still the AMX-13 have a better power/weight ratio.
~18.2 hp/t for a "stock" AMX-13 in comparison of ~16.6 for a stock Leopard.
The Leopard was planned as a 550 hp vehicle.

In the game it gets 585 hp and weighs 21.34 tons, for a 27.41 hp/t of power to weight ratio.

Not counting the added weight of the various modules, the AMX-13 needs something like 405 hp to match that.

theta0123 #26 Posted 29 January 2011 - 07:41 PM

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Its not just HP/ton that matters. its also other things, like type of tracks and suspension

Then again, the AMX-13 has pretty powerfull guns, so it compensates that

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The AM-13 90mm is a tier VII vehicle that isn't supposed to compensate for any tier IV tank's feature.

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did someone noticed, that the prem tank "2C Bis" is 12 meter long and 4 meter high?

this tank is bigger than a Maus!

this is a real monster...
with a 155mm HE gun and a 75mm gun...

that would be interesting^^ =D

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View PostNothin_, on 29 January 2011 - 08:51 PM, said:

did someone noticed, that the prem tank "2C Bis" is 12 meter long and 4 meter high?

this tank is bigger than a Maus!

this is a real monster...
with a 155mm HE gun and a 75mm gun...

that would be interesting^^ =D
lol, but it's not exactly a light tank :D would be better in the heavy tank discussion ;)
But yeah, it can be fun if it has loads of hp, because its armor is 40mm max (that was a lot for WWI tank, but in WWII...). I guess the side and rear must be 20mm or so. It's gonna be penetrated by any gun on the battlefield. And don't count on speed to dodge shells ^_^

theta0123 #30 Posted 30 January 2011 - 12:19 PM

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Its gonna be like the KV-2=AN epic troll tank!

Waroch #31 Posted 30 January 2011 - 12:33 PM

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sure. Epic 155 derp gun + 75mm to help you wait for the reload of the 155  :Smile-playing:
but a wonderful top speed of.... 12km/h  :Smile-hiding:

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If I'm not mistaken the FCM 2C Bis had "only" a short 155mm, no 75mm (as it was replaced by the boomstick gun).
For the dimensions: Length: 10.27m - Width: 2.95 - Height: 4.01m
And the armor:
Hull: 45/22/? - Turret: 35~40/?/?  
Hull of the uparmored n°97 "Normandie" 90/50~65/?

In my opinion the "normal" FCM 2C have to be Tier 3, maybe one Tier higher for the FCM 2C Bis.

Otherwise to go back on the subject, do you think it's justified to have the AMX-40 as a Light Tank when it was classed as a Cavalry Tank, as the Somua S35 and the AMC 35 which are classed as Medium.
I fear that this tank supposed to replace the S35 will be relegated to a scout role due to his classification and how the balance system put them in high tiered battle.
At least that make new questions to ask in the "Q&A" topic.  :Smile-hiding:

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oh, shit! i posted in the wrong forum =D
oups^^

but a lot of french tanks will be really funny^^
like the light tank with the 90mm >xD

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View PostSouroy, on 30 January 2011 - 01:17 PM, said:


Otherwise to go back on the subject, do you think it's justified to have the AMX-40 as a Light Tank when it was classed as a Cavalry Tank, as the Somua S35 and the AMC 35 which are classed as Medium.
I fear that this tank supposed to replace the S35 will be relegated to a scout role due to his classification and how the balance system put them in high tiered battle.
At least that make new questions to ask in the "Q&A" topic.  :Smile-hiding:
It's even weirder when you look at its description on chars-francais.net It's heavier than a S35 (same dimensions & gun, 2-men turret and thicker armor), and has only a 160hp diesel (190hp for the SOMUA 35). The SOMUA 35 isn't that much of a fast-mover, so what? The AMX40 is bound to be a 30km/h scout?  :blink:
I guess this will be one of the changes Gaulois was talking about on the French subforum...

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According to the article of the last GBM magazine about this tank, the speed of the AMX-40 was estimated to be between 45 and 50 km/h, in comparison with the ~40 km/h of the AMC 35 and S35, this due to the Christie suspension of the AMX-40.

The engine was a 4-cylinder at 160 hp but since the end of 1939 it was asked that the hp/weight ratio of the new tanks had to be at 12 hp/t minimun, this led to the fact that the AMX-40 would have been fitted instead with a 6-cylinder (220 hp) version of the new Aster engine.

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i would like to see the AMX30 for tier 9 or 10 medium i mean the timeline limit is already down the drain with the T55.. er i mean T54 and much too modern engine, armor protection is nothing to fear from the AMX30 with 80mm max but its very fast and agile and equipped with a 105mm gun

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Having a light tank with reliable gun would be a nice change to see.
Now we only need to remove 360 degree vision or give map selection ability and they'd actually become useful.

The new green hill map is a pain for heavies.

theta0123 #38 Posted 08 March 2011 - 11:07 AM

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View PostGies84, on 03 February 2011 - 04:34 PM, said:

i would like to see the AMX30 for tier 9 or 10 medium i mean the timeline limit is already down the drain with the T55.. er i mean T54 and much too modern engine, armor protection is nothing to fear from the AMX30 with 80mm max but its very fast and agile and equipped with a 105mm gun
AMX30, just like the leopard 1, only has armor capable of withstanding autocannon fire of 20mm

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View Posttheta0123, on 08 March 2011 - 11:07 AM, said:

AMX30, just like the leopard 1, only has armor capable of withstanding autocannon fire of 20mm

did i say something different ? i stated that the amx30 only has max 80(79)mm armorplates nothing else  ;)

theta0123 #40 Posted 08 March 2011 - 12:32 PM

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View PostGies84, on 08 March 2011 - 11:50 AM, said:

did i say something different ? i stated that the amx30 only has max 80(79)mm armorplates nothing else  ;)
yes but

sorry old habits of german fanboys who whine that they wanna see the Leopard 1 :Smile_honoring::Smile_honoring:




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