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Souroy #21 Posted 02 February 2011 - 01:34 PM

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View Posthammerbolt, on 02 February 2011 - 12:58 PM, said:

When the tree is released, the S35's longevity will depend on it's upgrades, specifically a bigger gun. I confess I have no idea if any was designed for it; I know the was a bigger turret designed, but no idea on guns.
Personally I see two possible turrets: the ARL 2C turret or the SARL 42's one (but the SARL 42 and the S35 had not exactly the same chassis):

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Here a ARL 2C turret on a Somua S40: one man, 47mm SA35 (maybe able to take a 47mm SA37/39 ?)

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Model of a SARL 42: two or three men (can't remember), 75mm APX or 75mm L/42.

The SARL 42 only existed as a paper-project developped clandestinely during the war while the Somua S40 entered in production just before the Battle Of France (too late to fight).

Otherwise the premium S35 will be more enjoyable to play after the next patch as he will become a Tier 3.

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View PostWaroch, on 30 January 2011 - 12:08 PM, said:

Is it good really? There's a topic about it in the German med tanks forum, and for what people say of it it's not the greatest piece of steel of steel of its tier :o
I love my Hotchkiss (maybe my favorite tank in game with T28), but i'm affraid the premium S35 won't be as enjoyable. Maybe i should give it a try...
Suits my style, like it. Kinda "lightweight Ram" - reasonably maneuvrable beast with a great rate of fire.
It's not the greatest piece of steel in its tier, but then no Premium tank is. But with its rapidfire gun it can dish out a lot of damage and it can take some as well. Not much use in higher tier games though.

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View PostSouroy, on 02 February 2011 - 01:34 PM, said:

The SARL 42 only existed as a paper-project developped clandestinely during the war while the Somua S40 entered in production just before the Battle Of France (too late to fight).

So are many of the tanks in WoT, so I think we'll see it ingame :)

View PostSouroy, on 02 February 2011 - 01:34 PM, said:

Otherwise the premium S35 will be more enjoyable to play after the next patch as he will become a Tier 3.

You mean, it will drop down a Tier?! Aweosme! It'll own everything in the field! It's May 1940 again! :Smile-izmena:  :D

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Oh, missed that one... My Somua in Tier III? Bring 'em on  :Smile-izmena:
I pity the poor souls :D

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Full incoming modifications for the S35:

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- S35 739(f): tank tier decreased from 4 to 3, durability decreased by 20 Hit Points, decreased passing-ability for normal terrain by 10%.

1- Create a platoon mixing S35 and H39
2- With a bit of luck you'll end in a Tier 3 max battle
3- ???
4- PROFIT

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Next mandatory question: when will this patch go live? *drool*

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View Posthammerbolt, on 02 February 2011 - 12:58 PM, said:

I've decided to use up my gold on a S35 as well, with a 100% crew. It's armour and speed are pretty good, and at short/medium range, the 47mm hurts much of it's usuall opponents (PzIII/IV, A-20, ocasional T-34, basic Sherman, Marder III). The problem is that much of the opposition is made up of upgraded PzIII/IV, not the "stock" versions the S35 terrified in May 1940. The PzIII has an AT 50mm, the PzIV a long 75mm, etc. So, in long range fights, the S35 is at a serious disadvantage. I've only played 4 games, but I've figured out that the best way to play it is to play either from ambush (wait for enemy to come) or follow a pack in the back, leaving the others to do the long range stuff. Did this one with a T-34 in the lead, had great fun  :Smile-playing:

When the tree is released, the S35's longevity will depend on it's upgrades, specifically a bigger gun. I confess I have no idea if any was designed for it; I know the was a bigger turret designed, but no idea on guns.

PS: I carry a few "gold" rounds, to hit thougher opponents.

Same thoughts about the S35 as me. I sold it though. But yeah, nice little tank. Specially with some APCR's.

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View PostCostarring, on 20 March 2011 - 01:03 PM, said:

Same thoughts about the S35 as me. I sold it though. But yeah, nice little tank. Specially with some APCR's.

I have recently bought a B2 (captured B1). Althought it has the same gun, it's far greater armor allows me to survided a lot longer. It's turning into a nice cash- maker.

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Yes, but the 47mm is clearly impotent against the heavier armor of the T1H or the KV, which you encounter quite frequently. Even the APCR can't pierce the side of a KV!  :blink:
We're talking here about a gun that was able to take out Pz III and IV 1km+ away...

I think it will require better penetration in game or the S35 will suffer from this. The B1 will have its 75mm howitzer, but the S35 will need a gun; or maybe that'll be a 47mm SA39 upgrade?

Even if it's one tier lower, it ends up most of the time with me being one of the lowest tanks of a battle full of KV, Shermans T-34s etc...

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Tiers 3 and 4 will indeed end up 90% of the times in Tier 5 matches

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View PostWaroch, on 20 March 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

Yes, but the 47mm is clearly impotent against the heavier armor of the T1H or the KV, which you encounter quite frequently. Even the APCR can't pierce the side of a KV!  :blink:
We're talking here about a gun that was able to take out Pz III and IV 1km+ away...

I think it will require better penetration in game or the S35 will suffer from this. The B1 will have its 75mm howitzer, but the S35 will need a gun; or maybe that'll be a 47mm SA39 upgrade?

No 1940-41 (S32-B1 era) tank-mounted gun could kill the KV. Even the long 75mm of the upgraded PzIV had trouble with it. Tbh, it would be highly unrealistic for the B1/S35 to get a gun capable of doing this. I expect the B1 will, at best, get HE on the 75 powerfull enough to damage it and that's it. So what? If you're riding a pimped PvIV and go head to head with a Tiger II, do you expect to win? No, you run away and call TDs or arty. That's what the team is for.

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yes, i quite understand that, and i agree with you. But it's pretty frustrating to be completely impotent against such common tanks  <_<  

But they could make the HE shell really explode instead of bouncing off like it is doing now... even if it takes off very few HP...

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View PostWaroch, on 20 March 2011 - 06:37 PM, said:

But they could make the HE shell really explode instead of bouncing off like it is doing now... even if it takes off very few HP...

Regular HE detonators weren't built to resist such impacts. For that efect, you'd need HESH.

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View PostWaroch, on 20 March 2011 - 05:23 PM, said:

We're talking here about a gun that was able to take out Pz III and IV 1km+ away...
Don't forget WHAT Pz III and IV ;) Pretty different from what we have in game...

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View Posttuccy, on 21 March 2011 - 09:52 AM, said:

Don't forget WHAT Pz III and IV ;) Pretty different from what we have in game...

Indeed. We can still kill an upgraded PzIII, but the PzIV is another matter. Also, in may 1940, the PzIV's armor was so thin that even the excelent 25mm AT the french infantry had, had a good change to imobilizing it...

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A bit out of subject but there are reports of the destruction of a Panzer IV by a Renault D1 during the Battle of Kasserine.

Anyone precisely  know what Panzer IV versions were used during this battle ?
Because destroying something with a 47mm SA34...  :Smile-hiding:

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View PostSouroy, on 21 March 2011 - 10:46 AM, said:

A bit out of subject but there are reports of the destruction of a Panzer IV by a Renault D1 during the Battle of Kasserine.

Anyone precisely  know what Panzer IV versions were used during this battle ?
Because destroying something with a 47mm SA34...  :Smile-hiding:

Saw the same report, but could never find details. Rear/side shot, for sure, on some more vulnerable part...

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I'm really looking forward to try the AMX 13 with 90 mm gun and autoloader, it will be like a mad leopard hunting down arties

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I'm really looking forward to try the AMX 13 with 90 mm gun and autoloader, it will be like a mad leopard hunting down arties

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