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theta0123 #81 Posted 11 August 2011 - 11:31 PM

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View PostInfernalis, on 11 August 2011 - 08:57 PM, said:


And I don't think the devs will take in account the quality of the steel, they didn't with the Germans tanks (unless they just hate the Ger tanks).
Sorry to pop your bubble there, but german steel was no diffrent then other steel, mid and late war,it was infact much worse then other nations steel

Steel=Iron ore and carbon.
RHA steel=Steel and Alloy elements. Aluminium, molybedenum, magnesium, vanadium and so on
The most important one, is molybedenum. This hardens the steel, but also strenghtens it. It doesnt make it very brittle

Germanies only source of this, and others, was located in norway, and it got destroyed in 1943 by allied fighter-bombers. The germans tried to solve this by adding larger amount of carbon and vanadium. This made the steel hard, but also very very VERY brittle. Brittle steel issent strong steel. It is also terrible to weld. And the weldings dont last long
A good example is the PZIV. Its armour was in theory sufficient to withstand the Shermans 75mm gun at 450meters. But the Sherman could in normandy, easily penetrate the 80mm frontal hull armour at ranges up to 700-800 meters.

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View Posttheta0123, on 11 August 2011 - 11:31 PM, said:

Germanies only source of this, and others, was located in norway, and it got destroyed in 1943 by allied fighter-bombers.
Much ore was produced in the Narvik mines, but much of it came from northern Sweden. Transported on railroad to the harbourtown Narvik and then shipped to Germany.
Narvik was then a key point control of - or destroy.

Sorry for the OT.  :rolleyes:

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View PostInfernalis, on 11 August 2011 - 08:57 PM, said:

This is the problem with mixing WW2 tanks and post-WW2 tanks.

Considering how fast tank warfare evolved during the war, you don't even need to go that far. A normal early 1940 tank was in trouble in early 1941, and obsolete by late 41, early 42...

My favorite comparison, in WoT, is the B2 (captured B1-Bis) vs the PzIV. If the B2 faces a stock PzIV, which is a (basically) April/May 1940 tank, the PzIV is in serious problems. Otoh, if it's a late model PzIV, with the long 75 and extra armour, then it's the B2's turn to be in trouble...

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Damn, no AMX-30. Can't wait for AMX-13 though.

kilerignas_ltu #85 Posted 18 August 2011 - 07:14 PM

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when french comes??????????????????

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View Posttheta0123, on 11 August 2011 - 11:31 PM, said:

Sorry to pop your bubble there, but german steel was no diffrent then other steel, mid and late war,it was infact much worse then other nations steel

Steel=Iron ore and carbon.
RHA steel=Steel and Alloy elements. Aluminium, molybedenum, magnesium, vanadium and so on
The most important one, is molybedenum. This hardens the steel, but also strenghtens it. It doesnt make it very brittle

Germanies only source of this, and others, was located in norway, and it got destroyed in 1943 by allied fighter-bombers. The germans tried to solve this by adding larger amount of carbon and vanadium. This made the steel hard, but also very very VERY brittle. Brittle steel issent strong steel. It is also terrible to weld. And the weldings dont last long
A good example is the PZIV. Its armour was in theory sufficient to withstand the Shermans 75mm gun at 450meters. But the Sherman could in normandy, easily penetrate the 80mm frontal hull armour at ranges up to 700-800 meters.



I didnt know that  :o

So basicly german steel WAS much more better. And i thought that all the about german steel quality meant about the welding tecniuque, not the steel itself...

Nice to know anyway.  :D

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View PostSotahullu, on 18 August 2011 - 08:57 PM, said:

I didnt know that  :o

So basicly german steel WAS much more better. And i thought that all the about german steel quality meant about the welding tecniuque, not the steel itself...

Nice to know anyway.  :D

Not really much better. Better than soviet steel for most of the war yes, but it's not like USSR was famous for its metallurgy! Overall, German tanks had good quality steel from 1942 to early 1944, so that's two years out of six years of war. But that's enough to build a legend apparently :P

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Last night, my team needed to gang up 5 v 1 to kill a B2/B1-bis... :(

I want the french tree!

Waroch #90 Posted 19 August 2011 - 09:10 AM

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Imagine what it'd been with the 75mm on top of that :D

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View PostSouroy, on 07 August 2011 - 01:42 PM, said:

Hull:
Front - 40mm/58°
Sides - 30mm/30°
Rear - 25mm/30°
Floor - 20mm
Top - 20mm

Turret:
Front - 45mm/55°
Sides/Rear - 30mm
Top - 20mm

Basically, avoid to be hit.  :Smile_harp:

But it will have an Hp/weight ratio of at least 21.25 (better than any T9 Medium), too fast too furious in a cardboard soapbox.  ^_^


If they keep these values, they're going to be penetrated by every arty shells. One shot and you're dead. They'd better be as fast as T2 light if they want to survive.

Tamcia #92 Posted 28 August 2011 - 07:46 PM

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They have no armor you could say. Faster then T54 by 6kmph... Tier9... Was looking forward to French tanks, but if they have these stats, they will be just free kills.

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it seems the french tanks are like large chaffees
easy to hurt, but they hurt back! x)

Paaranoja #94 Posted 14 October 2011 - 05:42 PM

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I dont know much about french tanks but this is what i expect: correct me if im wrong

they will be small and rather bad armored, but they should have precise high rof high penetration guns? So their dps should be like us tanks or better?

What about gun depression? I'm guessing something in between american and german depression?

What about shell travel time? If i read correctly the french had a thing for high velocity guns, is it realistic to expect fastest shells in the game?

All in all, if im somewhat correct i think i will like french tanks a lot :) the sooner they come the better :)

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View PostPaaranoja, on 14 October 2011 - 05:42 PM, said:

I dont know much about french tanks but this is what i expect: correct me if im wrong

they will be small and rather bad armored, but they should have precise high rof high penetration guns? So their dps should be like us tanks or better?

What about gun depression? I'm guessing something in between american and german depression?

What about shell travel time? If i read correctly the french had a thing for high velocity guns, is it realistic to expect fastest shells in the game?

All in all, if im somewhat correct i think i will like french tanks a lot :) the sooner they come the better :)

I have an answer for one of your questions. According to this article, click me, the initial speed of projectile will hit 1000m/s. And I am talking about 90mm cannon used by T8 medium.

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View PostPaaranoja, on 14 October 2011 - 05:42 PM, said:

I dont know much about french tanks but this is what i expect: correct me if im wrong

they will be small and rather bad armored, but they should have precise high rof high penetration guns? So their dps should be like us tanks or better?

What about gun depression? I'm guessing something in between american and german depression?

What about shell travel time? If i read correctly the french had a thing for high velocity guns, is it realistic to expect fastest shells in the game?

All in all, if im somewhat correct i think i will like french tanks a lot :) the sooner they come the better :)
Actually,they'll be interesting to grind,because there's be a noticable rift between timelines.
Earlier tier will be slower and better armored,with small caliber high velocity guns and howitzers.
Then the post-war tanks with tanks inspired by German design and the fast glasscannons with very,very high velocity guns.

Paaranoja #97 Posted 15 October 2011 - 03:46 PM

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thx guys. i cant wait for the french, i have a feeling i will enjoy them very much  :Smile_honoring:

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Im the only one shocked that Somua ins't in the first "wave" -_-

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no. -_-

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well im still intrested; Was there some plans to up-gun the Somua with 75mm gun with larger tower?




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