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[post-0.8.6] Shell trajectories of high-tier arty


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Xensation #1 Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:23 PM

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Siema, pozz, moin, witam and hodor fellow tenkerers and forumites! :honoring:

I know everyone loves arty, especially the high tier ones, that's why I decided to make this thread. If you want your arty to get a huge buff, this is the right place to ask for it!

On a serious note: It's a bit strange, because this is a really important thing to know when comparing the different SPGs, but I have never seen such graphs anywhere on the Internet, although I have been looking for them a few times already, so I think it'd be great to publish them.

Thanks to Scud1337 for finding all the data required and doing the formulas and calculations!

Graphs:
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Note: I don't know the exact names of British SPGs off the top of my head, that's why they are called "GB <tier>"


Best regards,
Xensation

Edited by Xensation, 16 July 2013 - 02:37 PM.


FailAccount #2 Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:26 PM

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Scud is cleverer

DogSix #3 Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:26 PM

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tier 10 british arty may have the highest arc, but that still doesn't compensate for the bad 1.1 accuracy.

Xensation #4 Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:32 PM

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View PostDogSix, on 15 July 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

tier 10 british arty may have the highest arc, but that still doesn't compensate for the bad 1.1 accuracy.
In the middle it's 44.5% higher. I think that's a huge advantage in urban and hilly maps. The higher the shell trajectory the more accurate the gun on such maps.

Edited by Xensation, 15 July 2013 - 08:33 PM.


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View PostDogSix, on 15 July 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

tier 10 british arty may have the highest arc, but that still doesn't compensate for the bad 1.1 accuracy.
T92 range: 1400 m
CGC range: 1000 m
Shorter range --> better accuracy
i will try booth aiming circle size at 900 m when i have the time

and CGC can equip VENTS!

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higher arc = more oneshots on direct hits

Xensation #7 Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:49 PM

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View PostF0lterknecht, on 15 July 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

higher arc = more oneshots on direct hits
Also a good point.

British SPGs definitely look like they're worth a try.

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View PostXensation, on 15 July 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

British SPGs definitely look like they're worth a try.

To grind more than a million xp just for ONE arty with 1.1 accuracy... I wouldn't. You know that if it's too good they'll just nerf it.

Xensation #9 Posted 15 July 2013 - 09:09 PM

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View PostDogSix, on 15 July 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

To grind more than a million xp just for ONE arty with 1.1 accuracy... I wouldn't. You know that if it's too good they'll just nerf it.
The tier 8 and 9 SPGs are nice, too.

We_Just_Dinged_Em #10 Posted 15 July 2013 - 09:12 PM

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of course WG wouldn't introduce a new line of SPGs that happen to be better than the ones they just nerfed would they ;)

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View PostXensation, on 15 July 2013 - 09:09 PM, said:

The tier 8 and 9 SPGs are nice, too.

How do they play then?

Xensation #12 Posted 15 July 2013 - 09:18 PM

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View PostDong760, on 15 July 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

of course WG wouldn't introduce a new line of SPGs that happen to be better than the ones they just nerfed would they ;)
They're not stronger than the others.

View PostBaine, on 15 July 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

How do they play then?
Great gun arcs (I think it's a bit more than M40; all 3 high tier brits have the same arc), balanced guns (good mix of accuracy, rate of fire, damage, penetration, splash), little loss of accuracy by moving the gun, quite maneuverable and as a bonus they can mount vents. Overall I kind of like them, but I am not really that great as an arty player.

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The tier 6 FV304 looks fun! Fast as a T-50-2 with an arty gun on top!

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View PostXensation, on 15 July 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

Also a good point.

British SPGs definitely look like they're worth a try.

There's some utterly worthless dross in the mid tiers to grind through though before you get to the tolerable stuff...

Trent #15 Posted 15 July 2013 - 09:24 PM

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Xen, you might want to point out in OP that the scale is basically non-existent on the graphs, e.g. for Object 268 shooting at 500 m the angle is a whopping ~10°, while all your pics look like it's around 45° (which is the absolute max in strategic mode, achievable only when shooting at max range).

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View PostXensation, on 15 July 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

They're not stronger than the others.


Great gun arcs (I think it's a bit more than M40; all 3 high tier brits have the same arc), balanced guns (good mix of accuracy, rate of fire, damage, penetration, splash), little loss of accuracy by moving the gun, quite maneuverable and as a bonus they can mount vents. Overall I kind of like them, but I am not really that great as an arty player.

We will see, I don't know much in this game but I know my arties.

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View PostXensation, on 15 July 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

Also a good point.

British SPGs definitely look like they're worth a try.

lower arc -> faster shell flight = more hits

Xensation #18 Posted 15 July 2013 - 09:28 PM

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View PostMhUser, on 15 July 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

lower arc -> faster shell flight = more hits
Yes, and that's the only advantage.

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The way I see it variety is nice. Some high arc arties are nice to have in the armoury to dig out those people who think they are safe behind the rock. The worst thing they could do IMHO is make all the arties from the different countries pretty much the same.

I hope the brits bring something new to the fray, variety is the spice of life.

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T10 is definitely the pick of the crop, it's high firing arc allows you to put shots where other arty can't. It's slow to reload, however it has the potential to make decent damage. It seems to be more accurate than the figures suggest and the gun has a wide traverse, so the reticle doesnt ballooon out as soon as you move your aim.

The T8 is similar, although it fires a little quicker.

I think as soon as the players who use gold to convert XP, have reseached and bought it, they will rebalance it. It's definitely the arty I'd choose for most maps, so a rebalance is definitely on the cards, just give them a chance to exploit a few XP converters first.




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