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azakow #1 Posted 19 July 2013 - 10:29 AM

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Major Meller demanded to be transfered to a new vehilce at our daily CO conference.

He mentioned, that the last few weeks were just terrible for him and his crew. He mentioned that the prefered bushes will not fit the "improved" vehicle anymore, thus the lack of cover by all bushes out there.
"I'm not here for 2.1k battles to put up with such nonesense changes to the vehicle and battlefield environment. Commanding this formerly perfect vehicle is a real punishment now. The decission makers at WG should be sentenced to 2k matches of VK1602 only! Let's see what they come up with afterwards! Grrrr", he said.

It took all my efforts to calm him down.
We were then looking at new possibilties form him and his crew, he was facying the MT Leopard PT A +. What he did not like though was the fact that Oberleutnant Köstring (his wifes brother) would have to leave the crew and would be to be substituded with a less skilled gunner form some Bavarian mountain village.

He has not made a deccision yet.
I'm affriad that he will stick to his beloved CO role on VK1602, since he and his crew have shown alot of patience in the past two years.
I'm sure he needs more time in the garage to clam down.
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Arkhell #2 Posted 19 July 2013 - 10:46 AM

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Improved hittabillity/spottebility for the enemy tanks is what they meant with improved model...

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pretty sad though, don't see why they had to bump it up a tier and then make it even bigger.

Hellbanan #3 Posted 19 July 2013 - 10:51 AM

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I don't want to disquiet you but the point where you start to hold daily CO conferences with your in game officers is maybe the same point at which you should seek for professional help regarding your affection with world of tanks :P

_Bajkal #4 Posted 19 July 2013 - 11:11 AM

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Nice story and actually I'm interested in leopard pta too.Indien Pz with 90mm gun is quite good,with the second 88mm is also good.

What about Aufklarungs Panther? or vk2801?

And there is pzV/M10.

Leopard on tier 5 compared to the other scouts in my humble opinion is weak now.

Lancasthor #5 Posted 19 July 2013 - 01:00 PM

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Your elite crew is not alone with this issue.
I also promised a better home for my veteran Leo crew in a IX/X Leo just to notice that the crew roles do not match.

..maybe a step backwards to Pz38NA or Luchs again..

azakow #6 Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:55 PM

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View PostHellbanan, on 19 July 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:

I don't want to disquiet you but the point where you start to hold daily CO conferences with your in game officers is maybe the same point at which you should seek for professional help regarding your affection with world of tanks :P
My professional help said, to get more distant to the content. Here I am, a simple minded garage manager on his duty. :trollface:  

View PostLancasthor, on 19 July 2013 - 01:00 PM, said:

Your elite crew is not alone with this issue.
I also promised a better home for my veteran Leo crew in a IX/X Leo just to notice that the crew roles do not match.

..maybe a step backwards to Pz38NA or Luchs again..
Never ever back to Pz38NA, I'm still traumatised. LTraktor and Pz I C offer much fun.

Edited by azakow, 19 July 2013 - 05:56 PM.


Senchanokancho #7 Posted 19 July 2013 - 10:56 PM

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In my opinion the Leopard is the weakest German scout (I do only have german scouts) for its tier. The Luchs has amazing mobility and the gun is really good for a T4 Tank. With the given mobility it is easy to flank enemies. The VK28, even after all the nerfs, is still great. It has the gun to damage everything it meets and can ram lighter tanks easily. But The Leopard does neither have the mobility of the Luchs, nor the gun of the VK28.

Its Version of the gun is just not good against tier 9 tanks, and the fact that it shots 3 bullet at once reduces accuracy even more.

SBKDisco #8 Posted 22 July 2013 - 12:17 AM

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A T50-2 it ain't. It doesn't have the acceleration, top speed or agility to make scouting runs of any consequence. The moment you turn it almost stops, what is the point of that? It's gun can't dod shit against T8's let alone the T9's I was just in against. I had no chance of making it through for their arty because it simply isn't agile or stealthy enough. I got shot in the face by a VK4502B that was camping the base. I did try to damage him as I tried to drive past but not a single round penned his side armour. I cant try premium because you can't just fire one shot.

The gun is okay on the Luchs, but when going in against the big tanks its pointless.

The reason I haven't got a clue what the Devs are doing to the tanks in this game is because the Devs have even less of a clue than me, so what chance do any of us have.

Edited by SBKDisco, 22 July 2013 - 12:20 AM.


Sliktastic #9 Posted 24 July 2013 - 12:39 AM

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I havent the 2.1k battles of azakow, just 1.4k. Most of those battles are from a time were the Vk 16.02 was a Tier IV scout tank. Sadly I wasnt so happy about the changes as he was uptiered; like Jingles, I think the tank is missing a good gun. http://www.youtube.c...bx5ysJMlM#t=13m 26min53sec..... As he mention all the gun choices are aweful.
My suggestion would be to add a autoloader for the 5cmL/60, to be more preciely a autoloader cannon like on the T71. Which means a different ammo would be the prime ammo (AP->APCR); and the gun would have more damage (~35 damage); like the 76M1A2 and the T185 (see wiki). As for the game I could think of a 5cm KwK 39 with a autoloader (for example the BK5 autoloader was in use for the 5cm KwK 39 and had a ammo load of 21 shots), and 4 shoots per clip (21 shots were to much  :smile: ).




My suggestion for small buffs:

- 5cm KwK L/60 autoloader cannon (with 4 rounds) and different default ammo loadout (see T71). Which would give a more damage and pen as the normal 5cm L/60. I could think of: Dam: 105/90 pen: 130/25 or with HEAT: 105/105/90 and a pen: 130/175/25.

- As for the autloader gun; dont add a muzzel brake, because in the current game machanic it means that you loss a lot of camo value during every shoot (was mention a WG video, sadly can find it, but if needed I can link it...). So second point remove the muzzel brake so that the gun looks/and acts like the same gun on the Aufklärungspanzer (where th gun hasnt a muzzle brake). It is a small thing, but this tank needs every small buffs.

- With the higher hull you feel the bad -4 frontal gun depression more. So it should be buff (I think -6 should be possible without clipping).


Edited by Staufen, 24 July 2013 - 01:11 AM.


Unicornus #10 Posted 09 August 2013 - 04:50 PM

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leopard was a real beast on its tier, after the update it's almost useless. SAD :-(

filefool #11 Posted 11 August 2013 - 12:36 PM

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"improved" my a**. I wouldn't care if the devs stated that they made the Leo bigger to bring it in line with the other tanks or because they made a mistake with the scaling.
But to write into the changelog that they "significantly improved" the model, without mentioning that this has gameplay implications cause the thing got BIGGER is just pure trolling.

Askorti #12 Posted 11 August 2013 - 06:13 PM

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How much bigger did it get? I remember it was already rather big when I played it last time.

filefool #13 Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:42 PM

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See for yourself:

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Xerkics #14 Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:57 PM

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Lol i sense some german tank hate here ,its the size of medium not light now.

Askorti #15 Posted 19 August 2013 - 11:10 AM

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Damn, thats brutal. I remember it being a very nice and pretty tank, even considered getting it back, but now? I guess I'll pass. :/

FreeLead4All #16 Posted 19 August 2013 - 03:15 PM

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View PostXerkics, on 18 August 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

Lol i sense some german tank hate here ,its the size of medium not light now.
Don't be modest. It's as big as an IS.

The best part about driving that tank is that the 1st hit you take always takes out your tracks and engine. Have fun scouting.

3Form #17 Posted 29 August 2013 - 12:50 PM

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I'm loving this tank in it's new form!

To be honest, I hadn't played it much since beta. I unlocked it soon after launch again because the hilarity that ensued when a two man leopard platoon was top tier in beta was incredible.

I was expecting to passive scout with binos and camonet, but it plays much more like a harasser than I expected.

voodoospirit #18 Posted 29 August 2013 - 04:05 PM

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i m massively scout oriented (almost all the scouts tier5/6 but the chinese)

i recently sold back the vk2801 ( had the leo crew in it) and went back to the leo.....vk2801 was a huge shock, its size,  10.5+ HE only useful versus others scouts (and many low damages on med/heavies), ballistic trajectory is a pain.. better with the 7.5 but sub par on almost anything to a T21...i d even rather play the MT-25 despite its 57mm....at least i can circle something...after the amx40 and the loraine 40t, i dont have the patience to play the vk2801 anymore....i gave enough masochism in those 2 french tanks.

so back to the leo, passive scout oriented, have to find a bigger bush (had it already when the patch increased it s size), binocs, net, camo skill and afk...well any camo can help that tank...so it s my dedicated passive tank..followed by the MT-25 now that they killed my T-50². at mid/end game, i play it as a flanker/killer, hit and run as the reload is a bit long.

so far so good.

in the tier5 scouts, it s a so-so scout, it has some armor but it has a bigger size now. in mid tier, the 3cm can help in a hit and run support/attack
as a damage dealer-short recon scout, i prefer my chaffee
as a passive scout ( and eventually sniper) i prefer my ELC ( which is a TD disguise in scout, a bit like the new E-25 TD )
as a polyvalent scout, the MT-25 is still better but lacks of gun (57mm will bounce a lot in high tier games), the MT-25 is a not fun at all after playing the t-50², we don t have any full active oriented scouts now (ELC view is blocked by anything taller than 1m...)

i keep the leo because i have a crew with some perks/skills  and when i see how the Aufklärungspanzer Panther gets killed in the battles ( in my teams or as an enemy), it doesn t motivate me to get some xp to get it....

XPuntar #19 Posted 01 September 2013 - 04:03 PM

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So how much does VK16001H weight as in some discussion if I can remeber the new rescaled model weight is around 24 tons instead of 16.
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33% more weight! That is enourmouss nerf regarding mobility!!!
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Still it is extremly silly to force people to scout with any lower tier light tank that do not have 200% crew with at least 1 skill/perk on each crew member!

Edited by XPuntar, 01 September 2013 - 04:03 PM.


Askorti #20 Posted 01 September 2013 - 04:41 PM

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View PostXPuntar, on 01 September 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

So how much does VK16001H weight as in some discussion if I can remeber the new rescaled model weight is around 24 tons instead of 16.
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33% more weight! That is enourmouss nerf regarding mobility!!!
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Still it is extremly silly to force people to scout with any lower tier light tank that do not have 200% crew with at least 1 skill/perk on each crew member!
It never weighted 16 tons. Get your fact straight. :sceptic:




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