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FadetoB1ack #1 Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:44 PM

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During the video "ASAP 13" english version the statistics of the new tanks were not shown, however on the russian version of the same video they were. I took a screenshot of the top tiers and here they are:
Just open the first and the second image in new tabs and compare them.
T-62A Stats
Object 140 Stats from Video.
1. The hull armour of the T62A is 102mm at 60 degrees slope - 5 degrees normalisation = 178mm = not much, only good enough against arty HE shots.
The hull armour of the object 140 is 100mm at 65 degrees slope - 5 degrees normalisation for AP shells which most tanks fire = 200mm so better but still not really good enough considering most opponents are NOT tier 8 and therefore will pen you reliably anyway. Lower plate is only at 61 degrees so weak. The data on the slopes come from the real life object 140.
2. The new turret has the same armour but unlike the T-62A it has 2 BIG cupolas at the top - bigger than the ones on the 121 even. Assuming those cupolas will not be 200mm+ (highly unlikely) it is a significant minus when being hull down compared to the T-62A
3. The side hull armour and the side turret armour at least on paper (no actual armour model released yet) appear to be slightly better but nothing really to be excited about. 5 more MM on the hull and 22 more MM on the turret.
4. Weight is almost the same (1 tonne difference) and the engine power is exactly the same.
5. Other little things include traverse speeds, top speed - they are almost identical, in some object is slightly better, in some the t62a but the numbers don't really differ much.
6. Gun RoF and damage per shot are identical.
7. Object had 50 less HP.
What I don't know are the hidden stats -
Camo value (probably the same since the size is the same)
Terrain passability (again, probably the same since the weight is the same and the tracks also look identical at least.
Gun accuracy is also not shown but I can safely assume that too will be the same.
Gun depression is not shown but the turret size and positioning of the gun indicate bad gun depression just the same as on t62a, i'd be surprised if it were any different at all.
There's no reason why these things should be drastically different if not identical.
Overall it looks like a version of the T62a with a slightly stronger hull but a much worse turret when being hull down close range or against good accuracy guns.
The russian video showing stats of the other new meds can be found here. At 3:15 the tanks are shown.

Edited by T90_TANK, 14 August 2013 - 08:47 PM.


Legault #2 Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:04 PM

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That's quite pathetic.


Exactly the same gun, mobility is hardly difference (minor speed limit, traverse and weight differences), camo is probably the same, view range is the same, armor is pretty much the same (it's not gonna bounce anything really) and for the lulz they even gave it 50 less health points. Why did they go through the trouble of implementing it? Regardless of how the tank performs, it's just boring.

Kazuya #3 Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:24 PM

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I think it has a little bit better gun depression and it's a bit taller then T62A, the design is also interesting looks more like T-54 those curves will bounce but other then that it's a copy paste of T62. Very dissapointing if they dont change it more it's not worth rebuying T-54 to grind it.Give me a reason to get it.

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It's very disappointing to see such big cupolas on the turret if you ask me... it almost eliminates the whole 'hull down u can't pen me' feeling that you get on a t62a, at least when against meds and heavies.
The turret and positioning of the gun mean that it CANNOT have a good gun depression, maybe it will be better by a degree or 2 at best, maybe but even that is doubtful. The turret just can't sustain that.

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Where did my 700bhp engine go.  :amazed:

ASNUs27 #6 Posted 15 August 2013 - 07:05 AM

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And there goes one on the (possibly) best tanks in the game. I'll definitely get the T-62A then. Same gun, same armor (as the Object's lower plate makes it even LESS armored than the T-62A in many ways), just a little difference in speed/turning speed... But the main reason is the turret traverse speed. 8 degrees less compare to the T-62A, for a little more SIDE armor? It's just a joke.
But it is a T-62 PROTOTYPE, so it's kind of normal that the original tank will be better.

Bastor #7 Posted 15 August 2013 - 07:30 AM

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It looks very much the same despite promises. As sutyomatic mentioned - where is the 700 hp engine?

http://ftr.wot-news....2013/08/T10.jpg

Keep in mind that stats aren't always descriptive of the final product. When I saw IS-6 on paper it looked horrible but I love it atm.

Still there might be something we are missing?

It might have a researchable engine?

Keep in mind that the ASAP video mentioned that the tank will be speedy like the T-54, meaning it should either have epic hidden stats (literally gliding over terrain having impossibly low resistance) or have a researchable engine.

If it doesn't....well I'll still get it but I have OCD so I don't count. It wouldn't be worth it.

I still hope we're missing something.

ASNUs27 #8 Posted 15 August 2013 - 08:19 AM

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View PostBastor, on 15 August 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

literally gliding over terrain having impossibly low resistance
Nope, that is the key feature of the T-62A. Giving it to the Object will make it only even more of a carbon copy.
In my opinion, the main difference will be that the T-62A will be for close-range fighting as it has scout-like agility and great hulldown potential while the Object 140 more for long-range, where the enemies will have a hard time trying to get your weakspots on the turret (in hulldown) or shooting you lower plate (as if you angle correctly the upper plate you become almost impenetrable).
That's the only way to make these tanks different, in my opinion (with actual stats, at least)

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View Postsutyomatic, on 14 August 2013 - 11:36 PM, said:

Where did my 700bhp engine go.  :amazed:

Only 580hp

http://translate.goo...zh-TWTW387TW390

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View PostTheodore, on 15 August 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:


I can read, problem is that earlier leaks suggested a 700bhp engine.  :sceptic:

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Right now it just looks like a T62a replacement if your T62a gets locked out for clanwars.

Very disappointing, T90, very disappointing indeed.  Why is it always you bringing me bad news, you downer.

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View Postsutyomatic, on 15 August 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

I can read, problem is that earlier leaks suggested a 700bhp engine.  :sceptic:
leaks failed, 700bhp engine appeared later, available for Object 432/T-64.

Edited by Theodore, 15 August 2013 - 03:52 PM.


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View PostMaxTroll, on 15 August 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

Right now it just looks like a T62a replacement if your T62a gets locked out for clanwars.

Very disappointing, T90, very disappointing indeed. Why is it always you bringing me bad news, you downer.
You're not the only one he keeps on dissapointing.  :sceptic:

KillSlim #14 Posted 17 August 2013 - 07:14 PM

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I don't think that the "Stats aren't everything" argument applies here. The argument suggests that the tank will perform differently or better than expected with those expectations built upon disappointing tank statistics. A good example being the IS6. In this case, the Object 140 looks so similar to the T62A that we can assume it's performance will be near identical to it. The Object 140 had the following real life specifications which explains the rumours of it having a more powerful engine:

Object 140

Weight: 37.6
Top speed: 64 km/h
Horsepower: 700
Ground pressure: 0.83 kg/cm2

T62

Weight: 37
Top speed: 50
Horsepower: 580
Ground pressure: 0.75 kg/cm2

Object 140 historical notes: Engine was difficult to access and repair. Potentially translates into vulnerable engine in game.

L1nk001 #15 Posted 19 August 2013 - 03:55 AM

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Wasn't this the video where they said the Object 140 would be unique and interesting?

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View PostL1nk001, on 19 August 2013 - 03:55 AM, said:

Wasn't this the video where they said the Object 140 would be unique and interesting?
Its unique because it has 6 roadwheels instead of 5 in T-54 and its knock offs.

Edited by Panocek, 19 August 2013 - 07:45 AM.


Squadman45 #17 Posted 19 August 2013 - 11:27 AM

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Is unique because is the first mirror tank, now we are going to have the twin tanks, wet dream of many guys  :trollface:
Seriously, i expect they remove this tank to tier 9 and add a TRUE new tier 10 why they add a gift tier 10 med when the regular tank is 140??? apart they do the same with USA meds, they need a tier 10 med and gift M60  :harp:

Edited by Squadman45, 19 August 2013 - 11:28 AM.


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I dont understand the negative... object 140 is basically a T-62A with better hull armor, a more easy to hit and pen turret thanks to cupolas, same firepower similar movility (if has same ground presure) and a turret more in the middle of the hull like T-54... i dont say i dont like it at all but i expect that 2 lines finish in diferent tanks apart minor changes and diferent name.
Compare the line with 2 meds, german E-50M and Leo I... no mirror tanks and really i dont expect this on soviet lines to drive T-62A i drive the original one no the copy.

Edited by Squadman45, 19 August 2013 - 08:08 PM.


JonG #19 Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:12 PM

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For your information Object 140 is not a copy of T-62A. It's the opposite - T-62A is a copy of Object 140.

HectorParadiso #20 Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:45 PM

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Only the 2 big cupola (commander's hatch and other) seems very vulnerable for me, like Patton. I choose this one although T-62A is researched...




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