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GTRaPToR #81 Posted 02 January 2014 - 09:48 PM

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View PostLegault, on 01 January 2014 - 05:16 PM, said:

Even if I alternate the two tanks I rarely feel the difference in gun depression. People can yell 20% all they like, 1 degree is not much, especially when you can't pop out safely at close ranges because of the weak turret where the 62 doesn't give a sh*t.

That's the point about it. On paper it doesn't prove to be anything. Go and put them side by side, shoot infront of you and you'll see that OBJ's dep is miles ahead. It's because OBJ is alot smaller, which gives him epicly good gun dep compared to 62A.



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View PostEscapeArtist, on 02 January 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

That's the point about it. On paper it doesn't prove to be anything. Go and put them side by side, shoot infront of you and you'll see that OBJ's dep is miles ahead. It's because OBJ is alot smaller, which gives him epicly good gun dep compared to 62A.


Except that it's not... the difference in gun depression is weak and doesn't translate into something significant.

 

 

Under 100-200m? They're going to shoot your turret.

You're flanking and they're not looking at you? You can come out safely regardless.

400m+? You're not going to get spotted, sit on top of the hill for all you care.

 

 

The main use is mid range snapshots while they are looking at you.

 

 

But ya keep downvoting, I've yet to see anyone come up with decent arguments on where it's useful and how significant the advantage is over having a good turret instead of the 1 degree gun depression.



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Go try it out side by side before you say anything. You can also try it out on different grounds and distances. It's only -1 degrees on paper, but in reality it's way bigger thanks to the big difference in size.

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View PostEscapeArtist, on 03 January 2014 - 03:41 PM, said:

Go try it out side by side before you say anything. You can also try it out on different grounds and distances. It's only -1 degrees on paper, but in reality it's way bigger thanks to the big difference in size.


How the f*** does putting two tanks next to eachother prove anything. It doesn't translate into anything remotely useful. Yes a shell coming from the Obj140 lands closer to the tank at max gun depression. This does what?

 

 

And why do you keep repeating "smaller"? When the Obj140 is shooting over a hill the actual target is bigger because they don't have to aim for the little strip of exposted hull.

 

 

Try again. More downvotes pls.



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While i do like the mobility and and the other nice things of the Obj i start to like the T-62A more.

like this

First games: Awsome so much better than the T-62A

Later on: Okey facehugging/driving alongside wasnt a good idea...hmmm a better turret would be nice.. and the frontal armor isnt that much better in tier x games. But still its better... i think...

Now: Okey, the object is a nice tank but i prefer the T-62A thanks to its turretarmor

 

Overall 2 nice tanks but I prefer the T-62A thanks to its turretarmor..

 

Sidenote:

3x T-62a or 3xObj140  platoons are quite sweet, thats when the true potential in randoms show it shelf(Also called statspadding :D  )

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In the end t62 gun just feels better

jukmattu #87 Posted 14 January 2014 - 09:25 AM

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obj is smaller but hitting area is bigger. Had to remember that t62 turret is solid iron. When you get t62 hulldown positions it is monster, its huge advantage. Obj hasnt such a advantage.

 

I dont know what is wrong my obj, after 200 games my winning percent were over 60. Now winning percent is just 52 and its going down.  Winning chances are below 50 8/10 games, very much games with winchances like 40. With t62 i win normaly but obj is just losing machine, in the end, its quite the same tank. I quess wot has just nerfed obj mm. 

 

When obj was available ( during first month), allmoust all had something like 55-65 winpercent when i looked other players stats.



Legault #88 Posted 14 January 2014 - 09:34 AM

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My winrate and dpb are going up, so no, you're just not good enough to carry. Fact is the 140 isn't better than the T-62A and your stats will represent that sooner or later.

 

 

 



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both tanks are roughly equal, 140 is a bit more versatile due to slightly better gun depression, smaller size and higher top speed.

 

while the T-62A is more based around going hulldown with its turret armor at range (150-300 meters),  its better accuracy and aim time helps with this as well.



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The T-62A is one of the "new" Russian tanks, same as the new Tier 10 Objects are. All 3 of these tanks are pretty much the same, except of some minor differences, but why is that? As you can see these tanks shares weak engines, low hull armoring, low alpha damage for its tier and I think maybe the wg is affraid of implementing something different, like med with bigger caliber gun or anything else because, some people might (again) say things like "Russian BIAs implemented another OP tank."

 

WG is acting very carefully in this case. In every minor thing where one of these tanks is better then it's counterparts it is also worse at something. In overall, all of these 3 vehicles are the same...

 

I'm playing since Beta WoT and look at the Old Tier 10 heavys. T30 became a tier9 td and was replaced by a damn good T110E5, Maus and E100 received a major HP buffs, and IS-7 even tho many people are asking for a slight buff, the IS-7 remains unchaged, except it's Hp pool was decreased from 2200 to 2150 hp a long time ago.

"The best" tier 8 heavy, russian IS-3 received minor nerf to it's armor (small, but nerf as you can see on the armor scheme).

Our beloved KV1-S (KV-122) is a bit larger now. This vehicle is eternal problem, because it's alpha is huge for it's tier, but the tank itself can't match tier7, not even in a dream, so balancing KV1-S is a problem and removing it from the game is not an option...

Tier 7 Is received a turret mantlet armor nerf and we can talk about other tanks like IS-4 etc, but thats no point of this topic...

 

So as you can see, the Russian tanks are not what they used to be anymore and the new one's are mediocre paper things...

So I think wg clearly don't want Soviet tanks to be the best anymore.

Can anyone explain this to me, confirm or deny that? I'm really curious.

I own T-62A and I see no reason why should I get these new objects...:hiding:


Edited by Asdan, 16 January 2014 - 10:38 PM.


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Because OBJ140 whoops 62A.

If you compare those 2 @ vbaddict, you'll see that OBJ140 is better in most of the things (starting with dmg done and ending with spotted tanks).

 

Also it's funny that people say that 62A is better thanks to the turret. If we look statistics than 62A is the worst bouncy russian medium with 22.11%, then comes 140 with 22.87% and the first place goes to 430 with 23.42%.

 

Only thing 62A has better than other russian meds is it's winrate, where he leads infront 140 by 0.06%. 

62A is currently the weakest tX russian med which was also said when 430 came out.


Edited by EscapeArtist, 20 January 2014 - 11:34 AM.


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Winrate it better, but tank is worse :unsure:

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View PostEscapeArtist, on 20 January 2014 - 12:28 PM, said:

Because OBJ140 whoops 62A.

If you compare those 2 @ vbaddict, you'll see that OBJ140 is better in most of the things (starting with dmg done and ending with spotted tanks).

 

Also it's funny that people say that 62A is better thanks to the turret. If we look statistics than 62A is the worst bouncy russian medium with 22.11%, then comes 140 with 22.87% and the first place goes to 430 with 23.42%.

 

Only thing 62A has better than other russian meds is it's winrate, where he leads infront 140 by 0.06%. 

62A is currently the weakest tX russian med which was also said when 430 came out.


So because the average god awful T-62A player doesn't know how to hull down it's worse than every random idiot in the Obj140 bouncing a 13 75 clip?

 

 

Just the fact that you're arguing negligible <1% stats makes it obvious that there's no significant different between the 3.

 

 

And btw, DPM is worthless. T-62A was released months earlier back when there was 4-5 artillery per match and no premium ammo. Less health per team, less opportunities to auto-pen otherwise difficult targets, and so on. The Obj140 is often driven by experienced drivers as well. Most of my Obj140 stats are better as well... because of experience in the T-62A.



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obj.140 is everything T-62A is, and even more. it's smaller (meaning it has better camo), faster, better at accelerating (more HP/t and lower terrain resistance), better on-the-move accuracy. the only thing T-62A can do better is turning in place, it has faster traverse and turret traverse speed.

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View PostLegault, on 20 January 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:

Just the fact that you're arguing negligible <1% stats makes it obvious that there's no significant different between the 3.

 

View PostMetalManiac69, on 22 January 2014 - 03:13 PM, said:

obj.140 is everything T-62A is, and even more. it's smaller (meaning it has better camo), faster, better at accelerating (more HP/t and lower terrain resistance), better on-the-move accuracy. the only thing T-62A can do better is turning in place, it has faster traverse and turret traverse speed.

 

For me, T62 has best gun and best turret out of the three. Rest of the numbers are kind of secondary with the way I try to play it.



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View PostMetalManiac69, on 22 January 2014 - 03:13 PM, said:

obj.140 is everything T-62A is, and even more. it's smaller (meaning it has better camo), faster, better at accelerating (more HP/t and lower terrain resistance), better on-the-move accuracy. the only thing T-62A can do better is turning in place, it has faster traverse and turret traverse speed.


lol...

 

- Obj140 camo value is between Batchat and T-62A... and even the difference between those two isn't noticable

- T-62A is the one with lower terrain resistance, there's no difference in acceleration

- On the move accuracy is negligible because the T-62A gun is more accurate and both have zero problems hitting anything on the move

 

Are people ever going to pull their head out of their [edited]? The Obj140 isn't superior to the T-62A, there are only minor differences. Same with the Obj430, which also gives up the turret, doesn't gain gun depression, loses RoF, accuracy on the move, terrain resistance for a pathetic amount of hp/ton and a few mm hull armor which still doesn't work at tier 10.






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