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nazarie #1 Posted 07 February 2011 - 03:01 PM

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I started this topic in Soviet Heavies because I think they will dominate this top.

The top is for fully upgraded tanks with 100% crew and modules, consumables...but with standard shells.

My top looks like this:

Tier 5: KV
Tier 6: KV-3
Tier 7: T29
Tier 8: Ferdinand
Tier 9: IS4 or T54 (it depends a lot on the player I think)
Tier10: IS7

I didn't play with all this tanks so if you have experience related to this tanks please share it with us.

Torsoise #2 Posted 07 February 2011 - 03:06 PM

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Tier 3: Marder II  :Smile-izmena:

VGA #3 Posted 07 February 2011 - 03:13 PM

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Added some tank I also like/respect :

Tier 5: KV
Tier 6: KV-3 and M6
Tier 7: T29 and Jagdpanther
Tier 8: Ferdinand and ISU, T32
Tier 9: IS4 or T54 (it depends a lot on the player I think)
Tier10: IS7

Arkhell #4 Posted 07 February 2011 - 03:37 PM

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T5: KV and SU-85
T6: KV-3 VK36 S-51
T7: T29 and jagdpanther
T8: Ferd and T32 (sometimes KT if it doesn't sustain crippling modual dmg)
T9: IS-4, T54 (obvious) and object (fast low profile killer gun and insane mantlet armor and nice slope)
T10: Is-7 and T30 hull down (that thing packs a puch)

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View Postarkhell, on 07 February 2011 - 03:37 PM, said:

T5: KV and SU-85
T6: KV-3 VK36 S-51
T7: T29 and jagdpanther
T8: Ferd and T32 (sometimes KT if it doesn't sustain crippling modual dmg)
T9: IS-4, T54 (obvious) and object (fast low profile killer gun and insane mantlet armor and nice slope)
T10: Is-7 and T30 hull down (that thing packs a puch)

Abit funny that none of the German tanks are on that list from T8 and up
I understand T10 cause Maus was buildt in 1944 and abit of an experiment, and never saw combat... and IS-7 was buildt in 1948 so how can they compet in technology ;)

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View PostUncrow, on 08 February 2011 - 11:22 PM, said:

Abit funny that none of the German tanks are on that list from T8 and up
I understand T10 cause Maus was buildt in 1944 and abit of an experiment, and never saw combat... and IS-7 was buildt in 1948 so how can they compet in technology ;)

because its a game and meant to be balanced??

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T5: KV(the 107mm and 152mm gun are too good for the tier)
T6: KV3(the 107mm makes it the best again)
T7: T29(the Gun makes him superior) and JP
T8: Ferdi, KT and Panther but only just its the most balanced tier in the game
T9: Just USSR, best heavy, best TD, best Medium and the most easiest to play, no arguement about that.
T10: IS 7 and for the more experienced the T30

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best tanks by tier:

T1: MS-1
T2: Pz II
T3: Pz III
T4: M3 Lee
T5: upgraded KV-2-107 (KV-2 with 107mm gun) and upgraded Panzer IV with Schmalturm (narrow turret) and 75mm L/70 gun
T6: KV-3 with 107mm and upgraded Vk3601 with 75mm L/70 gun
T7: T29 for best gun (worst is Tiger)
T8: King Tiger and IS-3
T9: IS-4, T34, T-54
T10: IS-7 only... (T30 is also fun to play with but it just dies too often for a T10 tank... heck even my T-32 and T-34 had better survival ratio)

Russ: 7
Ger: 5
USA: 3

best arty by tier:

T1: Bison
T2: M37
T3: Grille
T4: M41
T5: SU-14
T6: GW Tiger

Russ: 1
Ger: 3
USA: 2

best Tank Destroyer by tier:

T1: ???
T2: ???
T3: ???
T4: Hetzer
T5: SU-85 when fully upgraded with 107mm gun
T6: JagdPanzer IV (because of good front armor)
T7: SU-152
T8: Ferdinand (because of the better front armor and more HP)
T9: Jagdtiger & Object704 are very well balanced, both having enormous good armor, however training tests proved that Jagdtiger is a little superior in 1v1 head to head fight

Russ: 3
Ger: 4
USA: 0 (due to no TDs available atm)

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View Postchickenpie65, on 10 February 2011 - 04:42 AM, said:

best tanks by tier:
T10: IS-7 only... (T30 is also fun to play with but it just dies too often for a T10 tank... heck even my T-32 and T-34 had better survival ratio)


I disagree the T30 is a beast and i find him much better than IS 7. but for the average gamer the IS 7 is the better choice

View Postchickenpie65, on 10 February 2011 - 04:42 AM, said:

Russ: 7
Ger: 5
USA: 3

T9: Jagdtiger & Object704 are very well balanced, both having enormous good armor, however training tests proved that Jagdtiger is a little superior in 1v1 head to head fight

Russ: 3
Ger: 4
USA: 0 (due to no TDs available atm)


are you kidding me JT> 704 ??? ive played JT i lack the last gun, but the obyect bounces alot of shots, even with the T30 150mm gun, its much more stealthy, because the JT has no camostats whatsoever, the armor configuration on JT is useless since the hull is vulnerable to almost everyone, since it has the same stats as the Tiger 2 hull. long story short the obyect is somewhat useful in every battle, the JT only in very few occasions. the JT is just broken in several ways, which the thread "improving german vehicles" shows pretty clearly, just look at the list in the first post and think about how many of these points, concern the JT in some way, its 4 out of 5 points

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View PostGies84, on 10 February 2011 - 10:56 AM, said:

are you kidding me JT> 704 ??? ive played JT i lack the last gun,


Well then you haven't played the JT.

That's not to say Object isn't better, but comparing non-upgraded vehicles is pointless. Especially the gun as it's by far the most important part of any tank, save on scouts.

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View Postz33r0, on 09 February 2011 - 01:34 AM, said:

because its a game and meant to be balanced??


If the game was ment to be balanced.... then tell me please... why the KV has a 150mm Cannon and no other tier befor it or on the same level can even get close to matching up to it.

because it had one in history... ups im sorry thought it was about balance

Also i personaly think they should have crapped the Maus and putted Köenig Tiger as T10 due to the fact they where Superior even to the end.

strata89 #12 Posted 10 February 2011 - 01:02 PM

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View PostUncrow, on 10 February 2011 - 12:47 PM, said:

If the game was ment to be balanced.... then tell me please... why the KV has a 150mm Cannon and no other tier befor it or on the same level can even get close to matching up to it.

because it had one in history... ups im sorry thought it was about balance

Also i personaly think they should have crapped the Maus and putted Köenig Tiger as T10 due to the fact they where Superior even to the end.
152mm on KV have very slow reload, only T7 and russian T6 artys reload slower. Its good gun but if you miss, you are dead. Also KV is really slow and cant flank anything so it needs more powerfull gun than other tanks on its tier.
And KT as T10? Rofl
You want T10 tank without good armor and without good gun?

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Also most people in this thread have some tiers wrong :P


I would also separate TD's from tanks from SPG's as their role is different.


EDIT: Actually I'll just sort by class

Heavy
T5: KV
T6: KV-3
T7: T29 (easily)
T8: T32 (and KT > IS-3, and mediums don't stand a chance)
T9: IS-4
T10: IS-7, T30

Medium
T5: ?
T6: VK3601
T7: VK3002DB
T8: Panther  (There are times when T-44 / T23 can be used effectively, but they seem pretty rare to me)
T9: T-54

TD
T5: SU-85
T6: SU-100, though JP4 has its advantages, like camo+mobility
T7: JgPanther
T8: ISU*
T9: Obj*

*Ferdi/JgTiger have their advantages, armor, accuracy, but I'd still have to vote Soviet here.

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View Poststrata89, on 10 February 2011 - 01:02 PM, said:

152mm on KV have very slow reload, only T7 and russian T6 artys reload slower. Its good gun but if you miss, you are dead. Also KV is really slow and cant flank anything so it needs more powerfull gun than other tanks on its tier.
And KT as T10? Rofl
You want T10 tank without good armor and without good gun?

Well thats the entire Issue with this game! they want the game to go from start 1930 to 1950

Biggest issue here for Germany is that their Technology ended funny enough at 1945
The Maus should never have been in this game since it was a Test and a Prototype. Not an actual Combat Tank Hitler ordered the Program Canceled and none of em ever saw combat.
Russian Tier 10 Tank(IS-7) was made in 1948 thats 4 Years after Maus was Developed, how can you put a Proto type(Maus From 1944) up against a Tank from the future.
I have timed KV tanks to reload in 9 sec thats not bad when no one can kill you, and it only takes 1 shot from you to kill them.
Also the E Serie never made it past the drawing board... so thats also gonna be complet fiction.

All i am saying is, people talk about Balance being more important then History... yet History benefits all but Germany.
Mention another Country with tank Aces with more then 162 Kills

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View PostUncrow, on 10 February 2011 - 02:51 PM, said:

Well thats the entire Issue with this game! they want the game to go from start 1930 to 1950

Biggest issue here for Germany is that their Technology ended funny enough at 1945 true
The Maus should never have been in this game since it was a Test and a Prototype. Not an actual Combat Tank Hitler ordered the Program Canceled and none of em ever saw combat.true
Russian Tier 10 Tank(IS-7) was made in 1948 thats 4 Years after Maus was Developed, how can you put a Proto type(Maus From 1944) up against a Tank from the future.true
I have timed KV tanks to reload in 9 sec thats not bad when no one can kill you, and it only takes 1 shot from you to kill them.were talking about the troll canon (152mm with HE 30 sec reload) not the 107 zis 6 (OP gun to but not the point of this threat)
Also the E Serie never made it past the drawing board... so thats also gonna be complet fiction.sorry but no there was a E-100 hull untill the britich found it did some tests on it and scrapped it

All i am saying is, people talk about Balance being more important then History... yet History benefits all but Germany.true
Mention another Country with tank Aces with more then 162 Killstrue but thats only because it was basicly mostly better guns and the fact that penetrating meant something died instead of everything has HP and they were fighting with tier 5,7,8 tanks vs tier 5,6 and a few 7 tanks


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View PostMike_Hammer, on 10 February 2011 - 12:07 PM, said:

Well then you haven't played the JT.

That's not to say Object isn't better, but comparing non-upgraded vehicles is pointless. Especially the gun as it's by far the most important part of any tank, save on scouts.

i know that but after playing almost every tank/gun type i will still tell you that even with the better gun the JT just sucks compared to the obyect in a normal battle, since he cant do much without getting spotted and being the huge target that it is, its almost instant death, unlike the 704 which not only bounces alot of shots, but doesnt get spotted that easily in the first place, not to mention that it can 1-3 shot almost every vehicle in the game.

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I think people underestimate the Maus, with a good player and no artillery it is harder to kill than an IS-7 or T30.  Will be even more so if the front mudguards and mantle get fixed.  And if it ever gets the 75mm gun working it will be a monster.

Shots to the side bounce my IS-7 gun unless it is absolutely at 90deg.  Forget the front apart from the well known exploits.  The only strong parts of both the IS-7 and T30 are the turret.

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View PostHomer_J, on 10 February 2011 - 04:34 PM, said:

I think people underestimate the Maus, with a good player and no artillery it is harder to kill than an IS-7 or T30.  Will be even more so if the front mudguards and mantle get fixed.  And if it ever gets the 75mm gun working it will be a monster.

Shots to the side bounce my IS-7 gun unless it is absolutely at 90deg.  Forget the front apart from the well known exploits.  The only strong parts of both the IS-7 and T30 are the turret.


hard to kill doesnt mean it could damage the team in the same way before the is7 and T30 go down

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View PostGies84, on 10 February 2011 - 10:56 AM, said:

I disagree the T30 is a beast and i find him much better than IS 7. but for the average gamer the IS 7 is the better choice

Yes, the T-30 is a very good tank as well, i love to kill Tigers in only two shots, but as I said it dies too often for being the latest tier tank of the American tree, it's still too vulnerable from all tanks. In the IS-7 I get mostly killed by high tier tanks only, but in the T30 I get more often killed by medium tanks and this is very disappointing. But still, the 155mm gun owns no matter what.

View PostGies84, on 10 February 2011 - 10:56 AM, said:

are you kidding me JT> 704 ??? ive played JT i lack the last gun, but the obyect bounces alot of shots, even with the T30 150mm gun

you obviously havn't seen this thread yet... http://forum.worldof...04/page__st__20

they have tested both tanks fully upgraded and the tank that does the first shot usually wins there. JT can bounce from the Oject704 but same the other way. Don't use auto aim, you better aim manually
if you know where to aim you won't bounce.

also your statement "i lack the last gun" this is the problem. This thread is about fully upgraded tier tanks only, meaning with the latest guns. You may have troubles reading OP's post?

btw, the bad camostats of German high tier TDs will be fixed soon anyway, so it will be even more balanced with Russian TDs.

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View Postchickenpie65, on 10 February 2011 - 04:42 AM, said:

best tanks by tier:

T1: MS-1 dunno. Personally, I liked the american caterpillar cause it can actually get some speed going.
T2: Pz II m2 light is better than pz2. I've lost count of how many pz2 I've scrapped in mine. BT2 is very good, too, due to crazy acceleration and decent gun.
Me in M2L and my brother in BT2 can realistically expect to decimate half the enemy team in a tier 1 fight and fight on par with tier 3 vehicles in other fights.

T3: Pz III don't know this tier very well, I cant say
T4: M3 Lee m3 lee is baaaad in almost all scenarios. TD restrictions without the normal TD strengths. The T28 with last gun is very strong, if a bit fragile.
T5: upgraded KV-2-107 (KV-2 with 107mm gun) and upgraded Panzer IV with Schmalturm (narrow turret) and 75mm L/70 gun
T6: KV-3 with 107mm and upgraded Vk3601 with 75mm L/70 gun
T7: T29 for best gun (worst is Tiger) for bouncy armor and strong turret, I think, rather than the gun, but yeah. T29 is good.
T8: King Tiger and IS-3 T32 is pretty decent, too. This tier is pretty much balanced, I think
T9: IS-4, T34, T-54 t34 has the t29 armor - which is worth nothing at this point while the russian tanks bounce like crazy.
T10: IS-7 only... (T30 is also fun to play with but it just dies too often for a T10 tank... heck even my T-32 and T-34 had better survival ratio) T30 is the only
tier 10 that tier 7/8 mediums can expect to damage without resorting to HE. Big disadvantage for the T30 compared to the superarmored competition.


Russ: 7 9
Ger: 5 4
USA: 3 4

Of course, this only reflects my personal opinion. Still, Russians seem to be having a bit of an advantage...