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Teurlinx #21 Posted 11 February 2011 - 09:52 AM

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View Postchickenpie65, on 10 February 2011 - 09:19 PM, said:

Yes, the T-30 is a very good tank as well, i love to kill Tigers in only two shots, but as I said it dies too often for being the latest tier tank of the American tree, it's still too vulnerable from all tanks. In the IS-7 I get mostly killed by high tier tanks only, but in the T30 I get more often killed by medium tanks and this is very disappointing. But still, the 155mm gun owns no matter what.



you obviously havn't seen this thread yet... http://forum.worldof...04/page__st__20

they have tested both tanks fully upgraded and the tank that does the first shot usually wins there. JT can bounce from the Oject704 but same the other way. Don't use auto aim, you better aim manually
if you know where to aim you won't bounce.

also your statement "i lack the last gun" this is the problem. This thread is about fully upgraded tier tanks only, meaning with the latest guns. You may have troubles reading OP's post?

btw, the bad camostats of German high tier TDs will be fixed soon anyway, so it will be even more balanced with Russian TDs.

The IS-7 one on one vs. a T9 medium tank with enough moving space is a loss. He'll have no problems hitting you in your rear which is very weak and contains the vital modules. If you're lucky you can get a few shots in on the medium, but you need at least 3 to kill the medium, and they often bounce *cough* T-54 *cough*. One on one also means you can't profit from tracking.

2 mediums vs. IS-7 alone--> dead IS-7, even in city environment

Bottom line: IS-7 doesn't do too well alone, its rear armour is too vulnerable. The IS-4 does better much here, and I imagine the Maus does as well.

Best tanks for the tier: (? when no clear winner)

2: T57
3: Marder II
4: ?
5: KV
6: ?
7: T29
8: ?
9: T-54
10: ?

steamrick #22 Posted 11 February 2011 - 10:02 AM

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The Maus is helpless against T54.
The T54 only needs to drive up next to the Maus and the Maus can't hit it anymore because it can't aim that low.
Other mediums can do the circle of death around a lone Maus due to its incredibly slow turning rates. Or perform a peekaboo game: Whoever the turret isnt pointing at does the shooting, the other stays behind cover. Again, the slow traverse speed (remember, it's a mere 31 with tracks and turret combined!) will get the Maus killed.

Unlike the IS-7, the T30 can be penetrated from anyone so long as they can see the hull. Hull-down is an argument, sure, but the IS-7 turret isn't much easier to penetrate due to slope. Plus, there's not THAT many hull-down positions, especially when you're the one doing the attacking.

The IS-7 is fully capable of protecting its rear against one tier 9 medium, and its supposed to lose vs. multiple mediums!
Thus, the IS-7 remains the strongest tier 10.

VonK #23 Posted 11 February 2011 - 10:23 AM

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The best tank by tier for me

Tier 5: the mighty STUGIII (u seem to forgot that)
Tier 6: VK3601 a stable performance tank
Tier 7: JPanther, I also like SU-100 alot
Tier 8: FERDINAND, one of the best tank in-game, second choice ISU-152 this thing rocks
Tier 9: JTiger and Object-704.

And yes I am a TD guy :):)

Teurlinx #24 Posted 11 February 2011 - 10:28 AM

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View Poststeamrick, on 11 February 2011 - 10:02 AM, said:

The Maus is helpless against T54.
The T54 only needs to drive up next to the Maus and the Maus can't hit it anymore because it can't aim that low.
Other mediums can do the circle of death around a lone Maus due to its incredibly slow turning rates. Or perform a peekaboo game: Whoever the turret isnt pointing at does the shooting, the other stays behind cover. Again, the slow traverse speed (remember, it's a mere 31 with tracks and turret combined!) will get the Maus killed.

Unlike the IS-7, the T30 can be penetrated from anyone so long as they can see the hull. Hull-down is an argument, sure, but the IS-7 turret isn't much easier to penetrate due to slope. Plus, there's not THAT many hull-down positions, especially when you're the one doing the attacking.

The IS-7 is fully capable of protecting its rear against one tier 9 medium, and its supposed to lose vs. multiple mediums!
Thus, the IS-7 remains the strongest tier 10.

But it will also lose 1v1 vs. a tier 9 medium provided there's enough open space. IS-7 turret may be faster than a Maus, but it's not fast enough, not even with full crew and ventilation to keep up with a circle of death.

The offensive power is virtually the same as from the IS-4, and it has at least two weak spots on the front hull. One which will kill the driver, and one which will kill the engine with a chance for fires.

When at a distance the slopes on the IS-7 really help, but up-close it doesn't matter too much. There the IS-4 can do better in a peekaboo game. Relative strength of the IS-4 in tier 9 is higher than the IS-7 in tier 10. With my IS-4 you have the same feeling as in the KV when you are top dog. IS-7 is much more evenly matched.

steamrick #25 Posted 11 February 2011 - 12:12 PM

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View PostTeurlinx, on 11 February 2011 - 10:28 AM, said:

When at a distance the slopes on the IS-7 really help, but up-close it doesn't matter too much. There the IS-4 can do better in a peekaboo game. Relative strength of the IS-4 in tier 9 is higher than the IS-7 in tier 10. With my IS-4 you have the same feeling as in the KV when you are top dog. IS-7 is much more evenly matched.

Maybe because both the KV and the IS-4 are comparatively a bit too strong for their tier?
Sorta like the t29 can dominate any fight where it is top tier. Except that IS-4 at least doesn't have the t29's weak points at the side and back.

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View Poststeamrick, on 11 February 2011 - 12:12 PM, said:

IS-4 at least doesn't have the t29's weak points at the side and back.

or better said the whole T29 hull

is4 has some weakpoints too, like the drivers hatch in the front below the turret.

strata89 #27 Posted 11 February 2011 - 12:33 PM

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View PostGies84, on 11 February 2011 - 12:29 PM, said:

or better said the whole T29 hull

is4 has some weakpoints too, like the drivers hatch in the front below the turret.
T29 have strong hull armor for its tier.

steamrick #28 Posted 11 February 2011 - 12:54 PM

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only the t29 front is bouncy. It's not all that strong. Comparing the tanks:

T29:_ 102 / 76 / 51
IS:__ 120 / 90 / 60
Tiger: 100 / 80 / 80

I guess we don't need to discuss the tiger's armor, but the IS has curves and much stronger armor than t29 on the sides.
The t29 can absorb a shot or two in its tracks, but it doesn't bounce on the side. Only the front can deflect some shots due to slope.

But no, you really can't say that american heavies have strong hull armor for their respective tiers, since even the ones with decent
(not strong. Decent.) front armor (t29 and t32) have side armor weaker than that of a Tiger.

Zinn #29 Posted 14 February 2011 - 05:56 AM

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This list only deals with tanks, not TDs or arty.

Tier 1: Can't really say. I only played the loltraktor out of the bunch.

Tier 2: M2 Light tank, no question. It has extremely good armor (25/25/25), one of the biggest guns and an insane top speed.

Tier 3: T-46. With the biggest gun, this tank will murder you in new and horrible ways.

Tier 4: Leopard, no contest. T-28 is also very good but the leopard just has sheer armor and bouncyness.

Tier 5: KV. It catches a lot of flak because it's a heavy (and thus gets higher tier matches) but when it's the biggest fish in the pond, it's downright mean.

Tier 6: KV-1S. Still has my personal highest kill count in a match (8) and the only reason it didn't get more was because I screwed up.

Tier 7: T-29, no contest. It gets a tier 9 gun, ffs.

Tier 8: T-44, since it can murder virtually anything in the game while driving circles around it.

Tier 9: T-54, it's just very, very good. Like a 44 on steroids, ecstacy and viagra at once.

Tier 10: I haven't driven any of these, so I can't give a personal oppinion based on experience. However, they seem somewhat equal, though competent drivers are a rare sight ("what do you mean I can't solo the entire enemy team?").

Kifli #30 Posted 14 February 2011 - 10:05 AM

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Tier 5: KVHummel
Tier 6: KV-3VK3601h
Tier 7: T29
Tier 8: Ferdinand
Tier 9: IS4 or T54 (it depends a lot on the player I think)
Tier10: IS7 MAUS or T30 t10 are relatively well balanced

Kriesha #31 Posted 16 February 2011 - 02:42 PM

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My weapons of choice (leaving out artillery as it does not balance across tiers very well):

T4 - Leopard
T5 - SU-85 / PzIV
T6 - T-34-85
T7 - T29
T8 - Ferdinand
T9 - IS-4 / Pershing
T10 - Maus

sego #32 Posted 16 February 2011 - 03:42 PM

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Tier 1: MS-1. Slow but strong. Good gun

Tier 2: BT-2. High speed, high acceleration, good gun.

Tier 3: PzIII. High speed, good armor, good gun.

Tier 4: Leopard. No contest.

Tier 5: M4 Sherman. Mobile, high RoF.

Tier 6: VK3601. Strong.

Tier 7: T-29. No contest.

Tier 8: Dont know, probably T-44. But I am sure that KT it is not.

Tier 9: T-54. No contest.

Tier 10: Never driven but imho IS-7 > Maus

yab #33 Posted 16 February 2011 - 08:57 PM

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My clasification:

T1: MS-1
T2: M2 Light
T3: T-46
T4: Leopard and T-28
T5: KV
T6: KV-3 and VK3601
T7: T29
T8: T32 and IS-3
T9: T-54
T10: Maus

Panthera #34 Posted 16 February 2011 - 11:22 PM

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1. MS-1 has best stats, but I have no idea
2. Bt-2, because I still enjoy it.
3. Don't really know, not the T-46, I hated that tank. Does arty count? Then SU-26
4. Leopard, best scout.
5. KV-2 with either 107mm or 152mm is a tough nut to crack. Stug III is also good, but suffers from bad balance since the patch.
6. KV-3 is good, but I think Tier 6 in general is not bad. Even the M6 can be annoying with its quick gun.
7. T-29. Although IS-2 is my personal favourite.
8. Not the IS-3. That's horrible. Ferdinand seems to be really strong with an, especially for German standards, exceptional gun and very good front armor without a big weak spot.
9. Tie between IS-4 and Object 704. IS-4 does have weak spot on front, something lots of players seem to forget, but still it is awesome. Object has good gun and even with IS-4/7 gun I bounce it a lot (I always try to hit the piece of armor between the gun mantlet and the extremely angled top right/left front. Still, not much success. T-54 is good, but not OP.
10. T-30 is strong versus other Tier 10s but is vulnerable. Maus has good armor and after fix will be best Tier 10. IS-7 is a bit of a mix and suffers from that. Not much better than IS-4 but attracts more guns. Worst thing is that with the peek-a-boo we play in this game is that the gun depression is horrible. I've to drive further in the line of fire than anyone else in terrain that has a slight slope, because my gun just won't go down.

Rumshot #35 Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:48 PM

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i dont like the is-7 much, i allso have lower hit ratio with the is-7 (how? its the same gun! as is-4)

if you peek-a-boo with it, ur front angle gets like 90% so its easyer to penetrate.
everything can penetrate it from side and rear.

fuel tank gets hit, gets on fire, from frontal shots.

it does have nice speed tho

Sancho #36 Posted 25 February 2011 - 11:26 PM

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Here my short list, i start at T3

T3: M2 Medium Tank
T4: Pz3
T5: Many good Tanks here first Kv, then M4Sherman, then Pz4
T6: KV3
T7: T29
T8: Ferdinand
T9: T54 what else ??  <_<
T10:IS7

my two cents

Czef #37 Posted 26 February 2011 - 10:20 PM

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T2: PZ II, havent played it for few months but i still remember battles when i just press and hold W button and shoot everything in front of me and win ;D
T3: BT7
T4: Leo and PZIII both have good armour and decent guns
T5: KV, even upraged just with 122mm gun, at low tier battle can own everything, with 107 or 152 it's just to good for it's tier
T6: KV3 with 122mm gun, i hate 107 in this tank.
T7: T29 for gun and turret armour, hadnt play it but it's very hard oponnent when u have IS2
T8: IS3, T44. Panther would be the best if not losing crew and modules just after enemy starts looking at it
T9: T54 I have 67% winned battles in it, and over 2k dmg per battle... survival ratio of >40% for medium which i dont camp at all, just crazy atacking is insane too.
T10: dont' have any yet, but if IS7 is just faster IS4 with more HP.. it would be best for me :)

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View Poststeamrick, on 11 February 2011 - 09:34 AM, said:

Of course, this only reflects my personal opinion. Still, Russians seem to be having a bit of an advantage...

SEEM ? LOL


Well, I've played, in various accounts, EVERYTHING in this game except the Pershing.

So my conclusions are very motivated. Plus I got a 57% winning ratio out of 5000 battles so I consider myself a decent player.

OK let's go : ONLY TANKS

TIER 1: MS-1.  The loltracktor is good and it has an aswesome name but the 45mm of the MS-1 is superior in penetration and damage. The Cunningham is faster but is too weak.

TIER 2: T-26 . It has less armour than the Panzer 2, but a better gun who can penetrate it easily (37mm Zis-19) and nearly same speed. PLus, more HP and better traverse speed.

TIER 3: T-46.  With the 76mm. PLaying intelligently and not sniping (anyway none of these tank can snipe from far), it packs an impressive punch and it has more HP than the pthers.

TIER 4: PANZER III. With the 75mm gun, it's a small beast. The fastest, most armoured and overallrly best of his tier. But take a look at the T-28 with the 85mm. You can have some decent fun sniping the hell out of everything from your base camping. If you're into it.

TIER 5: KV. Armed with the 107mm, nothign can beat it. And surely not the ridiculous Panzer IV. Nice balance on this one, developers. It can 2-shoot everything TIER 5 and oneshoot everything below. Are you in a trololol mood ? Get the 152mm, load some HE and take 20/25% out a vk4502 with one shot. The perfect way, anyway, is the 107mm. This cannon, alone, is the reason to go russian.

TIER 6: KV-3. Olè ! The 152mm disappears, no more trololol. But, good news ! The 107mm is still here. 120/90/75 and 100/100/75 are, hull and turrett, the impressive armour numbers of this beast. You might find yourself bouncing even tier 6 and 7 cannons if well angled. It's slow, no doubts, but can equip the limitator revover (Soviet exclusively ;) ) and go 10% faster at the risk of damagin the engine. But since you can turn it on and off when you please, the risk vanishes. Nice balance on this one too. PLus, you can have the 122mm gun, with 175 penetration and 390 (!!!!!) damage, and, with some luck, 2-shot M6s and vk3601s. More often you will need 3 shots, but in the meanwhile they will have not even taken you down to 50%.

TIER 7: T-29. Yep, still no Germans ;). Forget the Tiger. It's useless. I'll just say one thing : 105mm.
198 penetration and 360 damage These are the astonishing numbers of this gun, who packs nearly the same kick of the 122mm of the IS, but with much more penetration. With this, you can penetrate IS4s from the side and the front. OF course, the 88mm of the Tiger can too, while the IS might have some trouble from time to time, having only 175mm and being the side of the IS4 160mm SLOPED. but the Tiger has nearly no armour, doesn't bounce a thing, while the T29 turrett is invulnerable to everything this tier and below. The hull is weak though, even if, frontally, is even stronger than the Tiger's. LOL. The IS wins in armour, but the T29 shoots 2 more shots per minute with the 105mm.
BUT REMEMBER, the 105mm is very costly to get, 40k exp required. which will mean at least 50/60 more matches.

TIER 8: T-32>IS-3. King Tiger ? Lol, let's be serious.
As for now, in company battles up to Tier 8, if you come with a T-32 you're already in.
INVULNERABLE TURRETT, for everything and everybody. Gun has few less damage and 2 cm less penetration than the 122 Bl9 of the IS3 but CAN shoot 2 times more per minute. And aims a second faster, which is important.
PLus, when somebody shoots at your side, they will hit your tracks much of the time. PLus, you have just 23mm less frontal hull arnour than the King Tiger, and VERY sloped too. Many will bounce you frontally. You're way faster than the King Tiger, too. Nearly as fast as the IS3, which has less HP and much less view range. You're lower than the King Tiger (even if a little bit higher than the IS3), so harder to shoot in the hull. The turrett does the rest.
As for now, I have absolutely no reason in takin the King Tiger. Nice job even here.

TIER 9: IS4.  Ok, I think I don't even have to get started here. WE all know this tank. WE all have been telling Overlord about this tank for the last month and it seems than finally it will be undergoing some PECULIAR (?) nerfs. It took an "invasion" to make them admit it. The best cannon. The best overall turrett (The T34 is stronger only frontally). The best overall hull armour (the vk4502 is only 50mm stronger frontally). The best speed. The best tank.
Watch out. Frontally and FROM FAR, the Vk4502 might be superior. But this is put in great danger by the strange habit the vk4502 has of....burning down to 0 when shot through the frontal glacis plate. Yes, the big one. PLus the vk4502 is nearly useless in frontal attacks against even low tiers, cause its side and rear armour of 100/100 is so ridiculous that even a vk3601 can easily penetrate it. The T34 can be penetrated by such low tier in the same way, hull speaking. Only weakpoints : 160 less Hp than the vk4502 and 110 less than the T34. With the 130mm You can penetrate the vk4502 easily from the front, from close you can destroy the frontal glacis plate too, try it. If you get close to a vk4502, just facehug it, and it will bounce on your turret til the end.
Against a T34 try to stay far and hit his big hull. Your best gun will never bounce on him, while the 120mm might.

          HONOUR MENTION : T-54 You gotta have it to understand it. Get it upgraded and have fun. 73% victories outta 600plus matches. But don't think you can attack an entire base alone with that.
                           Be smart, play smart. 50% of the shots you will recieve will damage your tracks, with no hp loss. The others will damage you or bounce on your turrett. Against everything
                           up to Tier 7 included, just facehug them and watch their shots bounce on your turrett. But remember that the key move is tank circling. SHOW ONLY YOUR FRONT.

TIER 10: IS7> T30. Forget about the Maus, as for now. They promised to fix his bugs but until then (who know when), simply don't take it. You get hammered by arty like ther's no tomorrow and everyone will use HE on you. The only good maps are citymaps but in these last days I'm getting kampinovka 50% of the times. Please somebody go tell Overlod to take that map and erase it from the servers. (PLus 1 me if you agree).
The Is7 is THE tank that will get you a sure spot in a company battle, and the most played Tier 10 tank overall. (Overlord himself said it) Reasons are : Nearly invulerable turrett (yes the Maus has good numbers too but is not sloped and you just have to shoot where-good-players-know [I'm sorry if you don't know it I'm not gonna tell it, please have mercy of those poor maus drivers gun mantlet*cough*]). IT has an impressive downhill speed of 50 Km/h REACHABLE. And a great frontal armour that you will not penetrate from far at all. T30 ? Ok, yes. IF YOU ARE A GOOD PLAYER, The T30 can deliver tons of fun times nukin the hell out of everything, but remember that your hull is nonexistant and that YOU NEED SUPPORT. In the T30 you are NOT the spearhead of the assault. You're the one who comes behind. You wanna be the spearhead ? Get a Is7 or, if you like it, a Maus. You'll take all the shots and buy some time for your teammates. If you're a Maus, until arty sees you.
With the T30 never Rambo alone in the open, you're gonna get killed fast. With the IS7 you can do it. But Remember to show your front always. SO, the ideal frontline is : Maus in front takin all the hits, T30 behind him nuking and IS7 circling the enemy and takin them from behind. No pun intended.

As for now, who could have said it, go Soviet. (plus 1 me if this post was useful to you, thanks)

Killavoddy #39 Posted 27 February 2011 - 10:00 PM

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In most of the tiers this whole idea of "best" tank is completely situational and dependant on location/upgrades/quality of player and to a certain degree, luck. I could very easily argue that X-tank is the best of it's tier in all but one (T-54 requires a small armour reduction)

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No. I stated clearly that best means OVERALL best. Which means that a good player, playing 1000 random matches, will have better results with the tanks I indicated