Maxmk6, on 27 August 2013 - 07:10 PM, said:
Unlike the Pz4s, the Tiger is an awesome tank. It does fine in tier 7. It's good early game as a sniper, and it works really well if mid / late game you are prepared to use it's speed and agility to use it very aggressively, like it was used and worked in history, which is a concern coz if it now accelerates slower in 8.8 coz of WG's psychotic German hating nerf bat it will be less viable than before, at least in the play style I found works for it. And it does bounce shots, you just have to learn to sidescrape and angle and when the time is right to keep moving fast as you can - coz it's accurate on the move and obviously being at speed puts the enemy aim off. And at least at it's own tier, an aggressive Tiger scares / panics them.
The Pz4s is bad because it is only a support tank and it only has the Stug tier 5 rof on it's 75mm, and if u are in a poor team that loses too many too fast and so too many enemy get too close, even if u r hull down, it can't hold it's ground against multiple targets. I nearly always do at least 200% of it's own HP's in damage, but only have a 47% win rate in it, way below my other German mediums & sniping tanks. The Pz4s needs buffing. But no, it's German, so won't happen. In fact, let's nerf bat it some more. Please, WG, I don't want to just hate my German tanks, I want to utterly despise them, just like you clearly do.
I have to disagree with pretty much everything.
I too at first had a 46-47% win rate in the IV S.
Then I concentrated on playing it like it should be played and did at least 800 damage per battle and my win rate went up to 52,5%.
It would go higher but I got bored.
The IV S gave me my only Kolobanovs in the game.
Because playing as top tier my gun was not only powerful but the armor started to work and ding shots as well.
A Tiger would be weak even if it were a tier 6 heavy.
I have 632 battles in the IV S and 865 battles in the Tiger so it's fair tosay I speak from personal experience, and what this experience says is that the IV S is a better tank, plus it's extremely effective as top tier unlike the Tiger that gets trolled by every tier 6 gun in the game.
Ask any Tiger driver to tell you if he feels any joy and senses a great opportunity whenever he gets in to a tier 7 battle when it's only him or maybe one or two other tier 7s.
He has to carry but cannot lead the attack or he will get decimated by anything that fires at him.
Now the Tiger doesn't bounce shots.
It's a very good sidescraper and that's it.
The tactical use of sidescraping is of limited tactical use.
I have a video of me holding off an entire flank of enemies sidescraping but that is rare and involved also lower tiers and luck:
What this video showcases is that sidescraping is a defensive tactic and also situational.
And the turret of the Tiger only managed to hold off low pen shots.
Angling at a perfect angle will give the Tiger 128mm of armor sides and front which is still laughable and doesn't take into account even AP normalization.
8.8 brings serious buffs to the Tiger.
I'm convinced it will now be a strong tier 7.
But I don't like these changes and am still disappointed.
I'm disappointed because the Tiger having insufficient armor under all conditions was a support tank/sniper and it will remain so, in fact they have decided to enhance it's abilities in this role.
A sniper TD.
A heavy tank must act as a heavy and be capable in that role.
So I don't care how strong the Tiger is, it is not a heavy.
It's advertised as being the tier 7 German heavy and it is impossible for it to fulfill that role.
It can now go into battle with it's newly found dpm and turret armor and decimate the opposition, I do not care, because all that will ever shoot at it will still go through.
I bet you play the German heavy line to play heavies.
EDIT: This is my Kolobanovs in the Pz IV S:
Anything like this is out of the question for a Tiger playing against whatever tier opponents.
Edited by christos_swc, 28 August 2013 - 10:33 AM.