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svenhauke #1 Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:54 PM

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why do tanks have machine guns in back of turret firing behind at own troops ?

its obviouse

they are designed to shoot deserters

so if someone needs a machine gun to shoot deserters hes obviouesely< expecting whole companys to desert

funny mostly soviet tanks had machine guns in back of turret

to intimidate own troops

what do you think ?

Panzerkiller1337 #2 Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:59 PM

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Actually it was mostly used when the enemy tried to flank the tank. So if the enemy would walk up behind the tank and try to set a satchel charge they could just move the turret and shoot em without evening getting out of the tank and taking the chance to die :)!

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JustARandomOne #3 Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:11 PM

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A tank in battle has infantry around him, friendly and enemy ones.
MG's on turrets are for defending against enemy infantry who's trying to get close to you.

Coaxial MG's can even be used to shoot at enemy planes.

svenhauke #4 Posted 28 August 2013 - 03:46 PM

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View PostC1BO, on 28 August 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

A tank in battle has infantry around him, friendly and enemy ones.
MG's on turrets are for defending against enemy infantry who's trying to get close to you.
Coaxial MG's can even be used to shoot at enemy planes.
.... wasn t asking about coaxial machine gun...
was talking about machine gun in back of turret pointing at own soldiers
and in most situation tank doesen t have soldiers friend and enemy all around friends right left back, enemy right left front, back is friendly most of the time, 99,95 exept if you did something real stupid with your tank

Edited by svenhauke, 28 August 2013 - 03:49 PM.


Harriette #5 Posted 28 August 2013 - 04:00 PM

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Not in most Situations... but there are Situations, where the Tank has to defend himself against Infantry  :playing:

Arkhell #6 Posted 28 August 2013 - 04:05 PM

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Ferdinand/elephant tanks are a prime example why tanks had MG's all over the place.

most of them didn't die from tanks or AT guns but from infantrie just walking up behind them and scuttle them because they had no defence against that what so ever.

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View PostArkhell, on 28 August 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

Ferdinand/elephant tanks are a prime example why tanks had MG's all over the place.

most of them didn't die from tanks or AT guns but from infantrie just walking up behind them and scuttle them because they had no defence against that what so ever.

Are you sure? I read that most of them failed because their production was rushed.

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That was the cause, that they got stuck and became easy targets for Infantry. And they lacked a close range defense-system.

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View PostPrivateMonkeyz, on 28 August 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

Are you sure? I read that most of them failed because their production was rushed.

the things worked frigging brilliant vs tanks, not much a tank could do vs the buggers except SU-152 blowing them up at range with a very large HE shell, right up to the point they got stuck for some reason or another (mechenical or other) and then they got taken out by infantrie just walking up and placing explosives. after that they got an MG on the front (the ones that got salvaged) to atleast be able to pose a thread to infantrie.

svenhauke #10 Posted 28 August 2013 - 07:35 PM

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why do i get negative points ? too many retro soviets giving neg points here ?
got 3 neg points but no comment representing them
communists checkists
checkists

funny if i voice my opinion stalinists and fachist are the same hate me for independent thinking

Edited by BigBadVuk, 29 August 2013 - 09:47 AM.


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View Postsvenhauke, on 28 August 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

funny if i voice my opinion stalinists and fachist are the same hate me for independent thinking

no you made a stupid statement and we all showed you that you made them and refuted your observation with actual reason and then you refuse to see reason and live in your own small world.

that's different.

GiraffeInATopHat #12 Posted 28 August 2013 - 10:33 PM

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It is that if surrounded by enemy infantry it can fire 2 or more lots of machine guns into different parts of the group.

Grasmachientje #13 Posted 29 August 2013 - 07:01 AM

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View Postsvenhauke, on 28 August 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

funny if i voice my opinion stalinists and fachist are the same hate me for independent thinking

You voicing your opionion looks a lot like a scout going in straight line towards a TD.  easy target, easy hits.

JustARandomOne #14 Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:17 AM

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View Postsvenhauke, on 28 August 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

.... wasn t asking about coaxial machine gun...
YES, I talked about the turret one, read my first two lines...

View Postsvenhauke, on 28 August 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

was talking about machine gun in back of turret pointing at own soldiers
and in most situation tank doesen t have soldiers friend and enemy all around friends right left back, enemy right left front, back is friendly most of the time, 99,95 exept if you did something real stupid with your tank
No, if the battle goes on (espacially in urban battles) you can't say: enemy is in front, own units in back, if a enemy flanks you you need to defend your back.
And calling the people here communists is absolutely ignorant, downright retard.
Just because you have the quick idea that the machine guns used to kill own people, doesn't mean it is so.
So take on advice, they are used to defend themselfs against enemy infantry.
AND additional to the coaxial, against airplanes.

Edited by C1BO, 29 August 2013 - 09:17 AM.


BigBadVuk #15 Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:49 AM

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OT question is answered.. CLOSING thread before it turns into political discussion about Stalin and fascists - this forum is not for that.




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