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oiron666 #1 Posted 04 September 2013 - 10:16 PM

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One of the greatest advantage of Aufkl. PAnther is its cannon. Konisch can penetrate even X tier tanks with very high rate of fire. But as I know, developers are going to nerf VK 3601. VK and Aufkl panther share the same cannon. Does it mean that PAnther's cannon is going to be nerfed too? It would be useless for small Panther owners.. :angry:

hamdiyuzbasi #2 Posted 04 September 2013 - 10:21 PM

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vk 3601 realy powerfull tank for its level. its ok.  nerf normal but

but aufs panther's fight level very high when compared vk36.01. vk's 6-8 .... a. panthers like 7-10

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They are going to buff the rate of fire on the Aufklärungspanther. It's DPM with Konisch will be slightly higher in 8.8 than in 8.7.
Edit: And the alpha damage will be nerfed to 135.

Edited by Theotmalli, 04 September 2013 - 10:42 PM.


oiron666 #4 Posted 04 September 2013 - 11:34 PM

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View PostTheotmalli, on 04 September 2013 - 10:42 PM, said:

They are going to buff the rate of fire on the Aufklärungspanther. It's DPM with Konisch will be slightly higher in 8.8 than in 8.7.
Edit: And the alpha damage will be nerfed to 135.

That's great. I thought that dpm will be reduced.

_Agent_ #5 Posted 05 September 2013 - 08:33 PM

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Are they going to reduce the cost of the premium ammo? !t is already expensive for its damage and that will get worse.

Yes I use some prem in this tank it needs it when taking 400m sniping shots to stay hidden and alive.

ulcusrodens #6 Posted 06 September 2013 - 10:53 AM

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View PostTheotmalli, on 04 September 2013 - 10:42 PM, said:

They are going to buff the rate of fire on the Aufklärungspanther. It's DPM with Konisch will be slightly higher in 8.8 than in 8.7.
Edit: And the alpha damage will be nerfed to 135.

seems fair AND almost mandatory. the koenisch was too powerful, i regularly oneshot tier tens with it.

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Longtomsilver #7 Posted 06 September 2013 - 10:54 AM

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View Postoiron666, on 04 September 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

One of the greatest advantage of Aufkl. PAnther is its cannon. Konisch can penetrate even X tier tanks with very high rate of fire.
Comparing the Konisch (Tier7 lights):
T71: 76 mm Gun T185  150/150/185  175/220/38 (Autoloader)
WZ131: 100 mm 59-100T  250/250/330  181/241/50
AFK P: 7,5 cm KwK 41 L/58 Konisch  165(135)/165(135)  157/221
AMX/75: 75 mm SA50  135/135/175  144/202/38 (Autoloader)
Type 62 (prem): Type 62-85TS   180/180/300 HP  145/250/43
I don't see any advantage (dpm is nearly the same on all guns)

Edited by Longtomsilver, 06 September 2013 - 11:08 AM.


michaelius #8 Posted 06 September 2013 - 09:54 PM

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Diffrence lies in aiming time and accuracy as you could hit much more reliably with AFK then others.

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View Postmichaelius, on 06 September 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Diffrence lies in aiming time and accuracy as you could hit much more reliably with AFK then others.
You shoot your first couple of shots and everyone can shoot at you back, since you have no camo. And they will hit you, as you're bigger than some heavies...

Longtomsilver #10 Posted 07 September 2013 - 01:58 AM

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View Postmichaelius, on 06 September 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Diffrence lies in aiming time and accuracy as you could hit much more reliably with AFK then others.

Some Stats from http://www.vbaddict.net/

average damage dealt:

Tank / Damage dealt / Damage assisted

Afk P: 350.0 /  409.8
T71: 504.3 / 498.8
AMX 75: 367.9 / 444.3
WZ 131: 402.4 / 462.2
Type62: 441.7 / 498.8

As you can see, the better aimingtime and accuracy isn't a great advantage.

The AFK P fails in scouting and he can't do reliable damage and that's before the alpha nerf.

At least nobody expects to much from you if you drive an AFKP, it's like a keeper trying to hold a penalty kick, you can only win.

Tazilon #11 Posted 07 September 2013 - 02:15 AM

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View PostTheotmalli, on 04 September 2013 - 10:42 PM, said:

They are going to buff the rate of fire on the Aufklärungspanther. It's DPM with Konisch will be slightly higher in 8.8 than in 8.7.
Edit: And the alpha damage will be nerfed to 135.
DPM is a huge red herring in WOT.   Yes, it can come into play with a sustained shootout but many times a Scout is taking 1-2 shots as opportunities present themselves.  Alpha matters more than DPM.
For example, ALPHA rules (not DPM) when you are behind lines hunting Arty.  You frequently don't have a minute to get a kill.  The more Alpha, the better - you need to kill fast and move on in order to survive.  The pre-nerf 28.01 was the King of Arty Killers for a reason - it could hit HARD, get a kill and move to the next target.
This isn't a lightweight prize fight, where scoring a bunch of relatively painless punches can out point a bigger, slower slugger.  WOT is a knockout-oriented game.
The Auf P will be less effective in every situation except where they can sit back and snipe long range over a long time.

Edited by Tazilon, 07 September 2013 - 02:16 AM.


Akamati #12 Posted 07 September 2013 - 08:52 AM

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Why use an Auf Panther if Wz-131 is sure better?

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View Postrazierster, on 07 September 2013 - 08:52 AM, said:

Why use an Auf Panther if Wz-131 is sure better?
Waiting and praying for RU251... Or masochism.

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View Postrazierster, on 07 September 2013 - 08:52 AM, said:

Why use an Auf Panther if Wz-131 is sure better?
what irks me the most is that 7tier scouts get pretty much into same fights as 8tier scouts,  majority of my battles in afk.panther are vs 9 and 10 tiers. And the so called uber good Konish, have even troubles penetrating on sides. And u need to keep sniping from afar.. i tryed bunch of times to circle heavies and td's, but its no chance, you are traverse speed is just to slow. I really really dont understand how they clasiffy this tank as scout, its the size of heavy and weights more than majority of medium tanks.
Imo il prolly just get 3002m. It will be pretty much same tank, except with normal tier 6 medium mm.

Edited by Defy, 07 September 2013 - 11:39 AM.


Ranzir #15 Posted 07 September 2013 - 12:20 PM

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8.8 won't change AFK at all, still only good for suicide scouting.

Defy #16 Posted 07 September 2013 - 10:11 PM

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View PostRanzir, on 07 September 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

8.8 won't change AFK at all, still only good for suicide scouting.
as far as i understand pretty much every panther getting its engine nerfed, and Konish is getting nerf to. So expect afk panther to be even shittier.

zwo_a_vier #17 Posted 12 September 2013 - 11:19 AM

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I went back to the derp with the Aufkl. and did well.  Still dissapointed :/

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View Postzwo_a_vier, on 12 September 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

I went back to the derp with the Aufkl. and did well.  Still dissapointed :/
How can u do well, each shot does like 50damage(using he), and i doubt heat would pen anything these days.

Tazilon #19 Posted 13 September 2013 - 05:01 PM

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View PostDefy, on 13 September 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

How can u do well, each shot does like 50damage(using he), and i doubt heat would pen anything these days.
So not true. HEAT isn't very good with the 105 anymore, but the HE is still consistent damage and crit hits.

Edited by Tazilon, 13 September 2013 - 05:02 PM.


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View PostTazilon, on 13 September 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

So not true. HEAT isn't very good with the 105 anymore, but the HE is still consistent damage and crit hits.
not for me, i was shooting like 10shots at targets, and i though i was doing good damage, after battle i check, i do 300 ram damage and 300damage from 10shots, i check after every battle i do 400-700damage, with so much shots fired, with konish and ram i can do on average about 1k damage, if lucky battle even 2k 3k, few battles ago i managed to sneaky kill batchat he empied his clip onto some heavy, and i go full speed ram him and finish him of with konish... tough this is very rare fun moment in this tank...




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