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The_Boot #21 Posted 27 October 2013 - 02:03 AM

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View PostHam_Shank, on 28 September 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

38nA is handsdown the worst light i have ever seen and ya have to get trough it to reach tanks you like, pz3A is also quite bad.
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have you not played the AMX 40 or the Valentine? surely they are the most pathetic light tanks in the game.
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(can't believe I have been neg raped for saying that! no explanation nothing, nada, zero, nil, zilch...)

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View PostIronSpear, on 27 September 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

Is there any point for anyone driving light tanks to even go for the 28 and Auf Panther?

From what I see in game is that they are not competitive.

Is there something that I am missing ?
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no, you've hit the nail on the head they are not competitive. light tanks are purely love hate thinks. and at the moment I'm hating them.
yes there are ways to play them but you need a very cohesive team who know what you are actually doing as a scout.
and the higher the tier the harder it is to make decent credits, way easier with a medium, heavy or TD. (just my opinion don't hate me)

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View PostThe_Boot, on 27 October 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

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have you not played the AMX 40 or the Valentine? surely they are the most pathetic light tanks in the game.

The biggest issue with Pz38NA is probably the scout MM, which both Valentine and AMX don't get.

Tazilon #24 Posted 27 October 2013 - 04:55 PM

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View PostWestonbirt, on 20 October 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

The Cromwell is better at being a light tank than this monstrosity.

The 28.01 eats Cromwells up and scouts infinitely better than one.

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View PostHam_Shank, on 28 September 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

Light tanks are good if they are driven by skillfull player not me ofcourse. Light tanks are nice if ya want speed and like to troll heavier enemis. 38nA is handsdown the worst light i have ever seen and ya have to get trough it to reach tanks you like, pz3A is also quite bad. Leopard PTA and some other hightier lights are good tanks depending map and team. If ya want challenge and something new, take German Lights. Most people choose Chinese and french lights because they are good but that doesnot mean German tanks are not as good. it depens what tank you drive and how.
I personally hate light tanks except Loltraktor.
The Pz38nA is a FAR better tank then it's reputation suggests.  I prefer it over the Luchs anyday.  The Leopard PTA is a Medium.   The French Lights are actually harder to play than are the German because their autoloaders create unique problems and limit the havok you can create when raiding.

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View PostTazilon, on 27 October 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

The Pz38nA is a FAR better tank then it's reputation suggests.  I prefer it over the Luchs anyday.  The Leopard PTA is a Medium.   The French Lights are actually harder to play than are the German because their autoloaders create unique problems and limit the havok you can create when raiding.

Well i like to think that Leopard PTA is light.

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If you play to their strengths, German lights will work.
Vk28.01 and Luchs are among the top lights of their tier when comparing results with player skill.

Aufpanther and Leopard are statistically the worst light tanks of their tier, but not by a wide margin.

Especially the Leopard is hard to play, since the combination of close range combat and long reloads paired with opponents who can usually oneshot you is quite a deadly mix. Plus it can't snipe. But it can work. It's a great passive scout and packs quite some punch in it's gun.

Valeriadrina #28 Posted 16 November 2013 - 11:16 PM

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Strangely enough, I love Leo scout and have 58% WR in pure solo play. But it does take a lot of concentration and patience to survive and make a difference. Or spam 50mm with gold non-stop ( :tongue:), but I use the autocannon instead.

panzeraustirol #29 Posted 02 February 2014 - 08:29 PM

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There are great tanks in german light line. Like Luchs, LOLtraktor...

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View PostHam_Shank, on 28 October 2013 - 03:15 PM, said:


The Pz38nA is a FAR better tank then it's reputation suggests. I prefer it over the Luchs anyday. The Leopard PTA is a Medium. The French Lights are actually harder to play than are the German because their autoloaders create unique problems and limit the havok you can create when raiding.

Well i like to think that Leopard PTA is light.

 

 

I like to think the Maus is a Light - but that doesn't make it one.  The Leopard PTA is  a medium.



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If WG wanted to get into troll hyperdrive there is actually a supercharged Tiger II prototype with a 1500 HP Saurer engine.

I think it would actually be more effective as scout than AFK Panther...



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View PostZarax999, on 11 February 2014 - 07:51 AM, said:

If WG wanted to get into troll hyperdrive there is actually a supercharged Tiger II prototype with a 1500 HP Saurer engine.

I think it would actually be more effective as scout than AFK Panther...

 

Tell us how many battles you have played in your Auf Panther Zarax99....


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Zarax999 #33 Posted 22 February 2014 - 08:03 AM

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That was meant to be ironic...

Flinsenberger #34 Posted 25 February 2014 - 10:02 AM

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There are many possible additions for higher tier lights in the German line.

 

RU-251, Schützenpanzer (kurz) Hotchkiss with 20mm machinegun or 81mm mortar (or the experimental SP I.C. version with a 90mm), Schützenpanzer lang HS-30 (20mm Mk, 81 mm mortar, 120mm mortar), M39 on a Hellcat base.
Newer machines like the Marder do not have cannons anymore, but rockets.

So there is no need for funny concepts based on Tigers, Panthers and Maus. Although I can imagine that WG might go for a high tier light sniper version of the AMX40 for the german line.

 

Fixed the -1 for Zarax.



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Flisenberger... You should check your sarcasm meter when reading about scout tanks on heavy tank chassis :smile:

 

We have 3 good high tier candidates even staying on WWII material:

Porsche Typ 245

AFK E-25

Panzer 38 (D)

 

Also to consider:

VK 2801 Ausf B (slightly larger, 34 ton variant using HL 230 engine)

VK 1602 (MIAG) (heavy scout variant, 80mm frontal armor)



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View PostTazilon, on 27 October 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:


The Cromwell is better at being a light tank than this monstrosity.

The 28.01 eats Cromwells up and scouts infinitely better than one.

 

Haha, no, just no.



Lancasthor #37 Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:39 PM

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Although Cromwell and VK28 manage to feel the same, they are totally different.

Even if we'd give Crom' a light tank moving camo bonus, it would still have serious trouble doing anything in tier X+ MM what VK28 faces.

 

I'd rather not compare tanks with silly 1v1 capabilities, but rather in the terms of impact and team contribution.

Brawling on field is way more complicated, specially with finetuned toys like Crom and VK28.



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VK is also less then stellar in +4 battles, I don't think there is a single tier 6 LT that does really well in this kind of enviroment, not after nerfhammer went nuclear on German tank.

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VK's 105mm is still quite troll against Foches and german paper tds :P

 

Foches have become even better food for the 105mm thanks to the side armor nerf. The VK is still quite good but... I wish they wouldn't constantly nerf it every patch.

 

But I do wish they would add the RU-251 into the game already(and a proper tier 7 scout as well, the ramming machine of doom isn't one).



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View PostTazilon, on 22 February 2014 - 05:12 AM, said:

 

Tell us how many battles you have played in your Auf Panther Zarax99....

i played more than 400battles in it, and its crap. Granted im not the best player.But basically its mobile sniper, a flanker with shitty gun that can only hope to pen something on there side, and even then do to low pen for its tier, you will have trouble penning a lot of the time. Tier 8 mediums blows it out of the water, which also have better mm than it. 






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