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JJ2Gamer #1 Posted 14 October 2013 - 12:12 AM

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Or the Doom Toaster if you like.
Anyone else exited about the new German tier 5 TD? Don't know what I'm talking about? Check out the stats:
350 HP
Ca. 26 kg weight with a 400 hp engine
60 km/h speed limit
20/14/14 armor
380 view range
550 signal range
Now for the most important factor, the gun! It gets a tier 8 gun!
88mm Flak 41L/74:
8 rpm rate of fire
194/237/44 mm of penetration(AP/APCR/HE)
240/240/295 damage
0.32 accuracy
2.3 aiming time
All I can say is I can't wait to get my hands on one! And yes it does look like a toaster :P
        

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Tomu999 #2 Posted 14 October 2013 - 01:37 AM

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Had a few games with this on the rest server, and boy, it is a winner.

However, it will be a hard tank to play. You are a massive target, with no camo or armour. Your best bet is to stick behind your comrades and let them take the fire. If they suddenly all disappear and you find yourself on the front line, you can use the speed to get out of the live of fire. The speed also makes it a good flanker, as long as you dont let the enemy see you coming.

The gun is a dream at tier 5. It doesnt quite have the pen of the Tiger 88, but it is only about 10mm less, so you wont notice. This monster can pen anything it will meet on the battlefield without trouble. KV-1 drivers beware, this gun will chew you up and spit you out, never mind your armour.  Rate of fire with maxed out crew is close on 6 seconds, so no complaints there.

One last thing that it took me a while to notice is the Gun elevation angles. They are ABSURD. You can point this thing up almost vertical. This will make it a great cliff fighter, as you can shoot enemies above you long before they can bring their gun to bear on you.

Hustodemon #3 Posted 14 October 2013 - 07:03 AM

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View PostTomu999, on 14 October 2013 - 01:37 AM, said:

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One last thing that it took me a while to notice is the Gun elevation angles. They are ABSURD. You can point this thing up almost vertical. This will make it a great cliff fighter, as you can shoot enemies above you long before they can bring their gun to bear on you.

Not absurd, just Anti-Aircraft-Artillery  :trollface:

LeeQuid #4 Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:23 AM

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do we really need another thread on this TD?

PanStraszliwegoPomoru #5 Posted 14 October 2013 - 09:31 AM

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View PostHustodemon, on 14 October 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

Not absurd, just Anti-Aircraft-Artillery  :trollface:

Just find a nice cliff and make a skeet shooting competition with Sfl. IVc and flying Pz I C's... Or shoot 90 degrees up, run away, wait for enemy to come and kill him with the falling shell... So much possibilities :smile:   Or even play Pz I c basketball with that thing acting as a basket.

Boomer7 #6 Posted 14 October 2013 - 02:08 PM

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Looks terrible, would have preferred the opened version. Like the Möbelwagen Flakpanzer, you had to lower the side and back armor to fire the gun.
Advantage would then also be a 360 degree rotation of the gun.

To be honest having no armor or 10mm does not really make a difference. :)

Yuri_Yslin #7 Posted 14 October 2013 - 03:24 PM

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Overkill pen, no gun depression, DPM fails to impress (not that 1900+ is bad, but... yeah). The agility is fine, but camo and armor are terrible. Good alpha.
Overall, T49 is still better.

Overlord93 #8 Posted 17 October 2013 - 03:58 PM

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Isn't this ludacris OP for tier V? I mean for freaking sake it's in the same tier as pzIV and T-34...

MetalManiac69 #9 Posted 17 October 2013 - 04:22 PM

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please, oh please people, stop your whining (all of you that are whining) about this tank... in case someone hasn't noticed yet, all of the new TDs have a bit OP gun for their tier, allowing you to stay back 350-400m away and still hit and pen everything. 1900 DPM on a tier 5 tank is not bad, it's actually more DPM than all the other T6 TD-s have, so if you manage to stay back and/or hide well, you will ALWAYS end up on the top of damage list in the battle results (unless you're blind)..

most of the maps allow you to stay back at least 250-300m, and if you hide behind double bushes, you won't be spotted, especially in a T5/T6 battle where other tanks have only 330-350m view range, and you have 380+38=418m (coated optics are a must have)+ if you train sit. awareness and recon, you'll have 437m view range. now please tell me, which tank in T5/6 can beat that (except of hellcat)

PanzerFuchs #10 Posted 18 October 2013 - 03:14 PM

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View PostHustodemon, on 14 October 2013 - 07:03 AM, said:

Not absurd, just Anti-Aircraft-Artillery  :trollface:
Indeed.
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And no, it's not a bug.

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Eokokok #11 Posted 18 October 2013 - 03:26 PM

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View PostBoomer7, on 14 October 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

Looks terrible, would have preferred the opened version. Like the Möbelwagen Flakpanzer, you had to lower the side and back armor to fire the gun.
Advantage would then also be a 360 degree rotation of the gun.

To be honest having no armor or 10mm does not really make a difference. :)

Not true, having no armour means you have smaller hitbox, so it would be a buff ;]

Valeriadrina #12 Posted 26 October 2013 - 03:06 PM

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They need to add artillery view to this vehicle.  :teethhappy:

DocMarc #13 Posted 30 October 2013 - 02:17 PM

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When will we finally get xp for shooting birds? btw: are they shootable at all?
hmmm...

ValveHead #14 Posted 30 October 2013 - 04:17 PM

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Huge target with no armor and camo... derp guns manage to hit you from 400meters and 1 shot you. fun...
Worst thing is that WG keeps secretly nerfing gun accuracy since they buffed it for all vehicles. Guns feel as inaccurate as they were before the buff.

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MetalManiac69 #15 Posted 30 October 2013 - 05:22 PM

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107 battles? you be trolling?

how could they possibly hit you at 400m, when nothing at T5-6-7 (except of hellcat) can even spot you that far? stay far away, stay behind bushes, and USE YOUR AMAZING GUN, goddamn it. you have a (OP for its tier) gun with great pen, accuracy and alpha...

ValveHead #16 Posted 30 October 2013 - 05:44 PM

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View PostMetalManiac69, on 30 October 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

107 battles? you be trolling?

how could they possibly hit you at 400m, when nothing at T5-6-7 (except of hellcat) can even spot you that far? stay far away, stay behind bushes, and USE YOUR AMAZING GUN, goddamn it. you have a (OP for its tier) gun with great pen, accuracy and alpha...
have you not heard about secondary accounts? btw
maybe not exactly 400 but pretty close to that (300-400m). It has no camo whatsoever so bushes are useless and almost everyone will spot you unless you are out of their viewrange or behind more than one bush. What makes that top gun frustrating is combination between 2.3sec aim time and very narrow gun arc.

j_peterson #17 Posted 30 October 2013 - 10:50 PM

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I like the Flak bus.............hilarious vehicle, but they've nerfed the elevation, mine doesnt go higher then 30-35 degrees  :sad:

it's good even with the stock gun, you cant say that about many tanks.

Reaver2145 #18 Posted 31 October 2013 - 02:17 AM

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I like it, the guns real nice for a t5 heck its real nice for a t6-7, it's got great mobility and it's fun to play.

What isn't fun apart from the fact if you get spotted you're dead is the teams today, while I'm not a good player I'm surprised some of these turnips got out of their special needs hospital or maybe they are just on day release.

christos_swc #19 Posted 31 October 2013 - 07:55 AM

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View Postj_peterson, on 30 October 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:

it's good even with the stock gun, you cant say that about many tanks.

Thankfully the stock gun is good.
Which is great because it means you can skip the L/56 and jump straight to the Tiger's gun.
And why does everyone say this tank has no camo?
It looks like it shouldn't but in battle I have found it is quite stealthy, a lot more than I expected.

j_peterson #20 Posted 31 October 2013 - 08:08 AM

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View Postchristos_swc, on 31 October 2013 - 07:55 AM, said:

Thankfully the stock gun is good.
Which is great because it means you can skip the L/56 and jump straight to the Tiger's gun.
And why does everyone say this tank has no camo?
It looks like it shouldn't but in battle I have found it is quite stealthy, a lot more than I expected.

Unfortunatly it doesnt have the tiger gun, the top gun is only used on this vehicle and never again so i will skip it and go for Nashorn (where i have Everything researched already (bar tracks) ).